/me moves yzf to the front of the line

He's an interesting person though, be interesting to see what he does in the future. And how 8 years in the big house has changed him.

Apparently he's going to die in the future. The near future.

"Kevorkian was released from prison on June 1, 2007, but is expected to live less than 1 year due to a case of Hepatitis C that he contracted during service in Vietnam."

-Wiki

Dr Death! I remember reading about him during his killing spree. I actually hoped he didn't land in jail.

Apparently he's going to die in the future. The near future.
I think that's one of the reasons he got paroled.

I hope he is shot

How Christian of you.

:/

I think suicide is a fascinating subject. And I think it is wrong for someone to take their life. But what about people trapped on floor 9/11? Either face the agonizing pain of a slow death fire or jump off the building for the quick death. This is why the Bible is so irrelevant on this particular subject. And frankly, people with painful terminating diseases have and should have the right to take their own lives. And if they are taking their lives, I'm sure they are past believing a dumb book with stupid assertions and feeble attempts to validate an imagination.

Hawking is another good example of that.

My aunt, however, is an example of the contrary. If she had the option of assisted suicide, she would have died much happier and wouldn't have lashed out at everyone and everything in her final months.

As for the Bible never being wrong, thats the kind of blatant opinionism you always accuse the Liberals of. Still ever the hypocrite.

Never knew MS will kill you faster than cancer or burned alive. If I had read the Bible, I would have known this.:rolleyes:

let him out with 1 year left so he cant give hep C to other people? sweet

My .02...

As far as christianity I don't believe that suicide is an unpardonable sin. Even chemical inbalances can cause people to kill themselves. Ever been around anyone that suffers from schiznophrenia, or another disorder? What about low seretonin?

I know a guy whose daughter was perfectly normal. She was very pretty, good life and all of that. Something happened and within a couple of days all seretonin depleted from her body. She dialed 911, told them she was killing herself right now to come pick her body up before her family found it... just very calm, then put a gun in her mouth and killed herself. As mentioned, it was determined that something triggered seretonin depletion in her brain. That's what most anti-depressants do... just raise seretonin levels which causes you to have a positive outlook, feel healthy, and feel alive.

You are no longer in a state to make a clear decision when you have chemical inbalance. Is God going to send all mentally retarded people to hell for lacking the ability to make a decision to seek him? My point is... if a person is at the point of suicide they DO have something wrong with them, and they're no longer able to make a concious decision. I don't think a loving God will hold this against people... so yes, suicide can be justified... people can't help chemical imbalances or mental disorders.

So you can PROVE that Moses parted the sea? Show me proof and the bible doesn't count.
That'd be like me saying I'm right, then you asking me to prove it and I say "hey, I'm Fred I'm always right"

So you can PROVE that Moses parted the sea? Show me proof and the bible doesn't count.

im sure god in his almightyness, left the foot prints of moses and all the people who travelled with him across the bottom of the sea, so mark would therefore tell u to dive to the bottom and look for footprints radiating of god-ness

say what?
Dork. You took a perfect explanation, rationalized it to make sense to only you and yet at the same time made everyone here dumber.

it's not just an opinion if proven fact

If its proven to be fact I'll deliver you some cookies on my way to Hell.

Until then, you're just as full of shit as everyone.

Israel is strong evidence that people are stupid.

If God's hand is present, he's sure not as good at kicking ass as he used to be.

is that possible in your case?
Possible. Except mine made sense. Yours 'turtled' out of your butt.

Brain poopies.

hehe :D

how Biblical of me

the guy is a mass murdering satanic demented freak, he should have been executed 8 years ago, my dad knew all about this guy and his hack attorney....if he repents and discontinues his vile practices, fine, if not, he should be executed for murder (and delighting in it)

I'm pretty sick and tired of mr. rogers "Christianity", I'm not a liberal universalist like you, manntis, I'll never embrace evil because the evil person might be offended :rolleyes:

Who died and made you God? No mortal has the right to condemn someone to death, no matter how horrible their acts have been. God is the only one who reserves the ultimate judgement.

:boobies:

I actually support physician-assisted suicide. I gave an awesome speech sophomore year of high school on it.

My dad had a great one liner, though:

Me: "Jack Kevorkian is out of prison."
Dad: "Lock up your sick."

this story is funny: black people got OJ and now white people got Kevork's.

And if they are taking their lives, I'm sure they are past believing a dumb book with stupid assertions and feeble attempts to validate an imagination.


I'm sure at this point, some are done blaming it, and trying to use it, and also when they take there lives, have it close by.

when they take there lives

Dude! Don't jump! (http://www.improveverywhere.com/2005/12/10/suicide-jumper/)

What about Samson and Saul. They both committed suicide. Didn't God help Samson with his suicide?

Is a jumper from 9/11 WTC a suicider?

What if I dive in front of bus to push YZF out of traffic knowing that I will die? (I am unwilling to do this for the rest of you unregenerate sinners) Have I laid my life down for my friend or have I committed suicide?

You be the judge.

Oops, my memory must be fading. I don't think Saul committed suicide.

fucking a this could have been a great thread :(

YZF you have yet to reply to my comment. Prove it c'mon, unless you can't.
bx7 you really really need to stop hangin from his nuts too.

YZF you have yet to reply to my comment. Prove it c'mon, unless you can't.
bx7 you really really need to stop hangin from his nuts too.

I'll hang from anyone's nuts I please, thank you.

in his final act, Samson glorified God in destroying Israel's enemies, and he is recorded as one of the heroes of the faith in Hebrews...calling that a cowardly suicide is not accurate

I'm not saying it was cowardly at all. Only that apart from God he could not have committed suicide. God assisted him in his suicide by giving him the strength to push columns. See what I'm saying?

AAAHAhHHAAHAHAA Samson committed suicide!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:cuddle: :rolleyes: :nopity: :rock: :dance: :smoker: :eyecrazy: :whisp:

it's not just an opinion if proven fact

You can't prove a fact. You can only have information that hasn't been disproven yet.

And where is the line between suicide and sacrifice, and what makes one okay and not the other? Is there a biblical definition of suicide that deals with this? What about allowing yourself to die? There's a definite difference between taking one's own life and allowing it to be taken by someone/something else.

The Bible was not written with the perspective of humans being able to live grossly past their prime. Or are you still kosher as well? Or do you repent every time you have pizza?

And I do NOT believe in human life being sacred, not with overpopulation looming over our heads. Human death is sacred, however, and should be treated as such.

Human death is sacred, however, and should be treated as such.

So, we should all become an hero, and that will make us sacred?

in what context? can you prove your grandma died? No, actually I can't. I didn't see the body, I didn't witness the death, and I can't say that that which was cremated was actually her corpse. For all I know, she's still alive and kickin' it in the Caribbean.


again, suicide is a selfish act and/or used for evil purposes Okay, so which is more selfish, to continue to live, draining your families finances (and all the reprecussions that come with that) due to the tremendous doctor/hospital fees, or to end your and your family's pain?



really? how about 900 years? I didn't say anything about age, I said grossly past their prime. Even those that lived that long by biblical account were not enfeebled by their years, they were continuing to live healthy, self-sufficient lives.



oft-parroted (ignorant) comment: there are various components of the O.T. Law: civil, ceremonial, and moral...only the moral law endures and what Christ referred to as "will by no means pass away"

Okay, I'll agree it was a cheap shot, but the point was that the Bible and people's interpretation of it has changed over time. The Gospels of Christ didn't exist 2100 years ago, and when they did come into being, it changed a lot of the meaning of the Book. You claimed that in 3500 years the Bible hasn't been proven wrong, but accross that timeframe you can pull one example that says you must follow certain civil and ceremonial law, and one that says you don't. Either the old Bible was wrong, or this one is; you can't have it both ways.

I specifically attacked this point, as in one of our other threads "Science" as attacked as being wishy-washy, and changing its tune everytime it was proven wrong. What's acceptable in both science and religion change over time, but only scientists will admit to it.



then you necessarily reject many scriptures which clearly indicate life begins at conception and every human soul has value, God will certain punish those who murder the innocent Wait, what? How does my not accepting life as sacred come to mean that I don't think that life begins at conception or that every human soul has value?

Also, I thought that no one was innocent (original sin and all that) and that the closest you could come to innocent was repentant?

On a side note, what the hell was the sin that we've all comitted? I can't feel guilty for something I don't even remember doing, and I can't repent honestly for something I don't feel guilty about.


you're warped....but I already knew that I return the compliment ;)

The Gospels of Christ didn't exist 2100 years ago, and when they did come into being, it changed a lot of the meaning of the Book.


I totally disagree with you.

And this is coming from a Jew.

Still waiting on my proof YZF, you said it was proven so prove it to me. Or you are a liar and a failure.

key thing is, is that i never siad i could. YOU said it was proven. :D

ok, thats all you had to say. Or you could've said that it won't be proven, I would've taken either one.