And, let's be honest, but not derogatory.

My GF and I were discussing something today, and I want to get everyone's viewpoint on it.

We took the kids to the park. Now, we're in NW Rhode Island, which is predominantly white. By predominantly, we're talking 98%. The park is gorgeous. Huge, flat grass, nice equipment for the kids to play on in the playground. I commented to her that it's very nice to see the place is kept up so well, and there wasn't any graffiti or anything else like that.

That started a discussion about housing projects and parks in the inner city. Now, I'm originally from L.A., so I've seen inner city. Providence, RI, isn't really as hardcore as L.A., but it still has it's rough parts.

And, every time Providence, like most major cities, tries to "re-vitalize" the inner city shitholes, the residents, who are 98% black or hispanic, trash the place within a year or two.

Why is that? Is it because it is provided for them by the state, so they feel they can shit all over it? Is it because they didn't have to pay for it, so since it's a gift, they feel they can do whatever they want? It's truly sad to say, but you can actually drive through our town and know which houses are minority owned, not by cars "sittin' on dubs" or people wearing baggy clothes, but by the fact the house looks like it hasn't been cleaned or painted in 20 years. And, these are in nice neighborhoods, not like it's in Compton or anything. You can have a beautiful house on either side of it, you know what I mean?

So, again, without the name calling and turning this into some sort of nasty bashing contest, let's discuss the reason behind the behavior. Anyone have any ideas?

I'm engaged in a similar discussion on another forum geared towards urban development...

I used to intern for my city government planning and zoning administration, so I got somewhat of an inside look at why exactly things like this go on, and it's simple, yet complicated.

City Housing Authorities get funds for these projects from the government, and they literally "HAVE" to deliver something. In my hometown's case, they tore down a project that were multi level brick apartments that were crime invested and turned it into a decent urban development with a community center, a natatorium, etc. Sounds like it would work right?

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The problem? It's nothing but a new age project that'll pay for itself in 20 years, and from there become a city eyesore that'll manage to turn a profit, whether it be from tenants who pay their rent with or without government assistance.

Every major city suffers from the inner city shithole eyesore areas, and there's nothing you can really do about it. So to put a bandaid on it, you get developments like the one pictured above that'll become a crime invested haven in less than 10 years, pay for itself in 20 years or less, and stay standing for 40 years.

Hopefully, with the development picture above, this type of urban disaster will be avoided. All it takes is a strong foundation within the community, proper urban planning, and local officials who want the area to stay beautiful. When you get local officials who don't give a shit, that's when the community goes to shit.

I think alot of inner city people have a sense of hoplessness, and that results in anger...many of them are very poor

Yes many are poor and uneducated. Unfortunately, the two go hand in hand.

If you give a homeless man food and a place to stay, he probably won't appreciate it, because he's probably accustomed to people giving him shit without him working for it. Urban Disasters (Da' Projects) are full of people just like this.

Oh yea, and where else are you going to put these poor uneducated people? On the outskirts with no public transporation?

The inner city is really the only place you can put these people.

I'm engaged in a similar discussion on another forum geared towards urban development...

I used to intern for my city government planning and zoning administration, so I got somewhat of an inside look at why exactly things like this go on, and it's simple, yet complicated.

City Housing Authorities get funds for these projects from the government, and they literally "HAVE" to deliver something. In my hometown's case, they tore down a project that were multi level brick apartments that were crime invested and turned it into a decent urban development with a community center, a natatorium, etc. Sounds like it would work right?


The problem? It's nothing but a new age project that'll pay for itself in 20 years, and from there become a city eyesore that'll manage to turn a profit, whether it be from tenants who pay their rent with or without government assistance.

Every major city suffers from the inner city shithole eyesore areas, and there's nothing you can really do about it. So to put a bandaid on it, you get developments like the one pictured above that'll become a crime invested haven in less than 10 years, pay for itself in 20 years or less, and stay standing for 40 years.

Hopefully, with the development picture above, this type of urban disaster will be avoided. All it takes is a strong foundation within the community, proper urban planning, and local officials who want the area to stay beautiful. When you get local officials who don't give a shit, that's when the community goes to shit.

I'm not talking about drug infestation or anything like that... What I'm talking about is, you provide something nice, be it a park, a new housing development, a new grocery store, anything, and it's fucked up in almost no time. I've literally seen new parks opened and within a week someone has vandalized it, strewn shit all over it, or just made it useless and broken.

I hate to say it, but some people are just like fucking animals. I know it's not everyone going down there to shit it all up, it's probably a very, very small percentage, but seriously: Where's the pride? Same thing with the houses in our town... You own a home, or rent a home from someone else. Why can't you take the time to maintain it nicely? Have some pride in what's yours?

But then, they complain how "the man" is holding them down. Hello! What the fuck?

it's kind of a viscous circle

some of them are just lazy, but some are genuinely trying to make a life for themselves and it's not easy for them coming from poor families

I don't think any of us knows how tough it can be....I paid my way through school, bought my own first car, etc, but I still had my parent's support with many things

It's a viscous cycle indeed, but it's all they've ever been exposed to, so they don't know any better.

Many don't even have the support system of TWO parents. You may have bought those things yourself, but you had the support of both mom and dad apparently. I purchased lots of things with my own funds, and paid for some of college, but I honestly don't know where i'd be without the support of my mom and dad.

A strong support system is very important, along with education. Another problem I've seen is that Religion is a part of the problem in communities like this (I hope I didn't open a can of worms).

For some reason, poor uneducated blacks rely a lot on prayer to solve their problems, when they aren't even meeting their maker half way on the issues. You can't pray for your gang member son to get out of the gangs, when you aren't rearing him properly. Improper conversion of African slaves to Christianity hundreds of years ago is mostly to blame for this idiotic use of religion today, which is why I look down upon today's christian way of life amongst the masses.

In the community pictured above, there's a multi-million dollar chuch nearby. I've attended this church, and he only tells the congregation what they want to hear, so they'll keep coming back.

I'm getting off on a tangent here, but i'm frustrated and have been for quite some time now. It's saddening...

I'm not talking about drug infestation or anything like that... What I'm talking about is, you provide something nice, be it a park, a new housing development, a new grocery store, anything, and it's fucked up in almost no time. I've literally seen new parks opened and within a week someone has vandalized it, strewn shit all over it, or just made it useless and broken.

I hate to say it, but some people are just like fucking animals. I know it's not everyone going down there to shit it all up, it's probably a very, very small percentage, but seriously: Where's the pride? Same thing with the houses in our town... You own a home, or rent a home from someone else. Why can't you take the time to maintain it nicely? Have some pride in what's yours?

But then, they complain how "the man" is holding them down. Hello! What the fuck?
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Its the same everywhere, it doesn't have to be a park or anything like that. We lose snowmobile trails and motorcycle trails and just general OHV trails every year because of that bullshit. It really pisses me off when you come across a new locked gate on a road because some jackass had to go through a ranchers field instead of sticking to the two track.

+1 vicious cycle

some of them are ignorant morons. they keep screaming that the man is holding them down. i'm not saying that racism against blacks doesn't exist, but you can't blame all your woes on 'the man.' work hard and get around it.

that generation has kids. parents tell them that the man is holding them down. kids look around and see a ghetto ass neighborhood. kids develop the 'i don't give a fuck attitude.' voila, yet another generation of ignorants.

it's not really a matter of personal or even public fault... it's just the way things are right now.

When you get local officials who don't give a shit, that's when the community goes to shit.

Hence why the stl beautification projhests have been a major success since our ****** mayor has been out.

East STL has a black mayor and has remained a shithole. Anything they have done to better the community is promptly burned down by the homies. Every single building in east st. louis is burned to the grounbd or has visible fire damage. I'm not kidding. Those niggars are fire crazy.

+1 vicious cycle

some of them are ignorant morons. they keep screaming that the man is holding them down. i'm not saying that racism against blacks doesn't exist, but you can't blame all your woes on 'the man.' work hard and get around it.

that generation has kids. parents tell them that the man is holding them down. kids look around and see a ghetto ass neighborhood. kids develop the 'i don't give a fuck attitude.' voila, yet another generation of ignorants.

it's not really a matter of personal or even public fault... it's just the way things are right now.

Again, education is the key. The more you know, the less likely you are to fall into this viscous cycle.

What we don't realize, or are failing to see, is that minority races have not had the opportunities that majority races have had over the years. Now before you all jump down my throat and call me a bleeding heart liberal, just think about this...

When you oppress a race for 400+ years, and they haven't really been free a century yet (think Civil Rights Movement - Present), these problems will take a prolonged period of time before they are resolved.

Now, is there a solution to this? Sure there is. We need another MLK, new millenium style. One who will let everyone know the truth, and how to fix it. If I wasn't afraid of being shot by my own, I wouldn't mind taking the job honestly.

I predict that this will happen sometime this century. When the bling bling music industry looses its luster, all the exploitation of our own will hopefully come to a grinding halt, and hopefully we'll see some progress.

Hence why the stl beautification projhests have been a major success since our ****** mayor has been out.

East STL has a black mayor and has remained a shithole. Anything they have done to better the community is promptly burned down by the homies. Every single building in east st. louis is burned to the grounbd or has visible fire damage. I'm not kidding. Those niggars are fire crazy.

I'll say that i've done a lot of growing up if you will, on this forum in the past 6+ months. I can see why you call your mayor a ******.

Chances are, he took the job because he knew he'd win, get paid a nice 6 figure salary (if you all have a full time mayoral position), and live easy.

Unfortunately, that doesn't help people like me, who wouldn't mind attempting to make a change for the better. But i'll be called a sell-out, black republican, ass kissin' uncle tom, you get the idea.

This is why I plan to finish college, get going with my career, and concentrate on my own financial well being for me and my family. I can't carry the burden of bullshit on my back...

It's a viscous cycle indeed, but it's all they've ever been exposed to, so they don't know any better.

Many don't even have the support system of TWO parents. You may have bought those things yourself, but you had the support of both mom and dad apparently. I purchased lots of things with my own funds, and paid for some of college, but I honestly don't know where i'd be without the support of my mom and dad.






Thats bullshit. I'm a college dropout raised by one parent. I grew up with a silver spoon shoved up my ass. But I'm a greedy money making machine. There is a lot of money out there to be made, you just need the desire to grab it. I have meth heads working that make 70k. These fuckers are 1 generation from trailor trash. Don't know how to dress, don't know how to spend their money, but with a little direction, they know how to make it.

When you oppress a race for 400+ years, and they haven't really been free a century yet (think Civil Rights Movement - Present), these problems will take a prolonged period of time before they are resolved.

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Many blacks in africa have controled there own destiny since the dawn of homo sapiens. (which is 6000 years according to yzf.) What is their problem???

Thats bullshit. I'm a college dropout raised by one parent. I grew up with a silver spoon shoved up my ass. But I'm a greedy money making machine. There is a lot of money out there to be made, you just need the desire to grab it. I have meth heads working that make 70k. These fuckers are 1 generation from trailor trash. Don't know how to dress, don't know how to spend their money, but with a little direction, they know how to make it.

I'm not saying that it can't be done in a single parent home, but it makes it just that much harder.

I wouldn't call myself a greedy money making machine, but for 21, I do pretty well, Between working for the university and working in sales, I'm able to buy whatever my young 21 year old heart desires, except that damn vette I want :)

But at the same time, I'm working toward my degree taking 18 hours of class, and I'm not bitchin' about it because I know it'll all pay off in December once it's all said and done and i'm moving on to the next chapter of my life.

Some people don't wanna work hard to get what they want. Apparenly, you aren't one of those people...neither am I. It'll be nice if I can be making 6 figures by the time i'm 28, and that's what i'm aspiring for. Hopefully, things will go my way.

Many blacks in africa have controled there own destiny since the dawn of homo sapiens. (which is 6000 years according to yzf.) What is their problem???

I couldn't tell you honestly. I only know what goes on here in the Americas ;)

Africa refuses to develop as a whole. I think it's destined to be that way.

uncle billy? :roll:

sorry, couldn't resist

in 05, one of my guys died of a drug overdoes. He died huffing dust-off. This is the kind of shit i have at the office and they are still making a lot of money. There is no reason that anyone can't make a living. The most unproiductive piece of shit working for me grosses 4 grand a month. He is a dumb MF'er and doesn't belong anywhere near a customer. But he hussles, and is hungry, so I like him. You can be the dunbest mother fucekr on the block, but if oyu work hard and hussle, you're going to make it.

in 05, one of my guys died of a drug overdoes. He died huffing dust-off. This is the kind of shit i have at the office and they are still making a lot of money. There is no reason that anyone can't make a living. The most unproiductive piece of shit working for me grosses 4 grand a month. He is a dumb MF'er and doesn't belong anywhere near a customer. But he hussles, and is hungry, so I like him. You can be the dunbest mother fucekr on the block, but if oyu work hard and hussle, you're going to make it.

I agree with you 100%. What you do (i'm assuming) is legal. If only the bling bling drug dealerzz had this same philosophy, maybe we'd be living in a different society.

I agree with this....up to a point

For the most part, it's true. I go to college with some of the dumbest fuckers i've ever come in contact with. After 10 major changes and 150 hours later, they graduate somehow and land a job.

I agree with you 100%. What you do (i'm assuming) is legal. If only the bling bling drug dealerzz had this same philosophy, maybe we'd be living in a different society.
Yea it's legal,:roll: I'm partner in a small recruitment firm. Here we are a couple guys with very little capitol on start up doing business with the who's who of heavy manufacturinbg and retail. I'm not smart. I'm not friendly, I'm not evenb a talented salesman in my own opinion. But I'll work a 15 hour day to put some money in my pocket. And thats who I want sitting in my office knocking out calls.

Well hell, i'm pretty smart i'd say, fairly friendly, i'll sell someone their own asshole and charge them shipping, and I just put in a 12 hour day today...

Judging from what you've said, i'm going pretty damn far ;)

I agree with this....up to a point

What point? I couldn't do your job. Thats a fact. But I make a pretty damn good living. I'm 16 hours away from my degree. Thats makes me qualified to flip burgers.

I thought you were bragging about working 5 hours a day or something like that? :)

Mark, do you think people just throw money in our lap??? Now that its not just two of us, we don't have to bust ass to make some cash. Trust me, I'm not afraid to cold call an entire state.

"hustling" alone will not make you a millionaire.....those people have more than just motivation, at least 99% of them

hustling?? i remeber you saying you're from detroit originally. There is a 90% chance a recruiter got you to NC.

And who said I'll ever be a millionare?? I don't know any millionare engineers either and I puyt a lot more in my pocket than any I've ever met.

almost....I turned that job down

Monster got me here :)

If I gave a fuck about you or the internet, I'd post your resume. I don't taek it as serious as some folks though.

some freak on here, I think it is Dennis (psychokitty), has been sending emails to my sister-in-law!!!

LOSERS!!!

Maybe you shouldn't bea douche bag to someone with nothing better to do. :dunno:

there are always three sides to every story

before dennis or jon, I posted in creation/evolution debates on the rx7club, and the threads were generally very civil

You cannot respect anyones opinion though. Who ona car forum gives a fuck that you're sucking gods dick?

I can gurantee that you've never changed anyones mind or saved a damned soul. So why waste your fucking time???

I think my road verifys what 100$t2 is trying to say. Its a basically poor area and all of the houses were built identicle to each other in 1954-56, a few new ones her and there, and a couple mobile home, but most are Identicle.

Now like I said in many many posts I am not racist by any means, I Hate everybody equally.

Now 4 years ago the road was 100% white. Not a colored person on the road. Everyone respected each other, the 34mercedes was safe out in the open, everyones shit was left alone and you could accually go outside.

4 years ago a family of a white mom, black dad, 2mixed sons, and 2 mixed daughters moved into a house that had just been given to the state for, ahh shit whas it called, where the gov. pays for the rent and gas water and those things.

They were all nice at first and everything, didnt mind em and even helped them out with car troubles when they had them. Fast forward about 3 months, and some people shit is coming up missing. Still didnt think muh about it. Then the vandelism began, broken windows, knocked out headlights and tail lights.

Another couple of months, and there were people walking up and down the road at 2-3AM making all kind of noise, and annoying the dogs. And then the smel of cat piss and propae started to become strong as you passed there house in the mornings to go to shcool.

Then the radiator comes up missing out of the 34 mercedes kit car. Which happens to be on a ford platform and uses a ton of ford engine and related pieces. Walk down the raod and boom there it is being put in a older crown vic at there house. Called the cops, and didnt get the rad back, mainly because they were friends with the chief of police.

1 year ago, after a ton of montioring and numerous calls of a now proment drug problem, police decide to do something about it. Well there cop buddy warned them they cleaned that shit up and when the state police showed up guess what nothing.

The house they are living in for here is now a shit hole and was one of the nicer houses on the road before they moved in.

Within 4 years my road has become a even more of a shit hole than it was before, all because of one family. The kids around here are all on drugs, have no respect, and mess with other peoples things, and before they were alright neighboring kids. Right now its 4:31AM I can here loud ass music playing and even if I call the cops nothing will be done about it.

I have my new motor sitting outside and we couldnt get it down to my basement so I have to stay up and make sure no one decides to run off with it.

Numerous other things have gone to the shitter but those are the only ones that come to mind right now.

Again I am not racist, I think its just strange that more than half the black population gets all kinds of things for free, dont have to work, and act like complete idiots. Thereby dragging down the reputation of an entire group of people who are trying/have made a good rep for themselves and are upstanding citizens.

You fuckin asshole! You accuse me on a forum like a goddamn COWARD instead of emailing me directly?
I got 3 emails from members here asking me if I've been "fucking with you".
Lemme tell ya this, Mark, you big doofy cunt; If I'm gonna fuck up your life, I'm gonna do it right, and I'm gonna tell you it's coming so I can revel in the juiciness of your arrogant laughter one last time before your world crumbles all around you. You can bet on that.

I'll start with your beloved brother Thomas.
I'll gather tax records on your wheelchair bound father, along with any medical records I can dig up. I'll find out where his retirement check comes from. Your parents will be bombarded with paper mail with quotes from you and the internet links that they can find them on, ten a day from various post offices until I grow tired of doing it.
I'll email the Bible study group again. Doesn't matter if you don't go there anymore. I'll email other study groups canvasing a 50 mile radius around your home. Someone will recognize you. Your a rather unforgettable kind of asshole.
Then, when you're cranky and snappy because you're family and social life is popping apart at the seems because the Light of The Lord of which you preach is suddenly so very dim compared to the true light of your hate and contempt, I'll begin emailing your coworkers with some wonderful quotes of yours, and where they can find more. I'll find management in your office - everyone's got a boss. I'll email management some goodies as well as a time log example so they can glean a better understanding of where their time resources are really spent by you.
Then I'll begin sending your best quotes and info to every CH2M office I can find. Globally.
Eventually you'll be tracked down as the root of the constant spam bombardment.
I'll email any of the speakers at the Battelle conference that I think might've stayed to yawn their way through your presentation.
And once that all starts, it will not stop. Your own words will haunt you in every aspect of your social life. You will feel the eyes of judgment upon you, but you will insist that they do not matter. You have no peers, right? Heh-heh.
You will be even more alone than you already are, and your lies will no longer serve to fill the voids in your life that you deny you have.
But Skippy, I won't stop there. No-no. I will also send the offices of John MacArthur's institute snippets of your rantings and hate filled "messages of God".

Mark, I dunno if I'm more pissed at you for accusing me without asking me directly, or for underestimating my creativity and resourcefulness.

In either case, it does feel pleasantly warm, yet disgustingly so, to know that your knee-jerk response is to blame me. -Kinda like pissing in yer wet-suit.
I've obviously made a difference in your life. Continue to include me in it, and I will make even more of a difference, I assure you.
And in the future, if you suspect I've been fucking with you, call me out on it directly instead of being a little forum douche about it.
Trust me, I'll tell ya.

I blame a large portion of the issues on spending habbits (of both time and money).

I also think that kids in the ghetto are taught that the only way they will get out is to become a pro athlete or a rapper.

That's just me though.

I also think that kids in the ghetto are taught that the only way they will get out is to become a pro athlete or a rapper.

That's just me though.

This isn't taught, this is a learned behavior that is acquired from the music industry, cocky athletes who didn't attend college, etc. Contrary to the belief, these ghetto ass kids don't even have the hopes and dreams of becoming basketball players anymore. They want easy money fast, and being in the underground retail industry of selling illegal drugs has become that outlet for them. They've gotten hip to it that getting in the NBA is a long shot, because they may have to attend college, and they say the hell with that becuase a lot of these bastards (literally) never make it past 10th grade.

I blame a large portion of the issues on spending habbits (of both time and money).

Sure it may be that, but why do these people acquire these types of spending habits? The answer is simple as a 9 letter word that starts with e and ends with n.

Again I am not racist, I think its just strange that more than half the black population gets all kinds of things for free, dont have to work, and act like complete idiots. Thereby dragging down the reputation of an entire group of people who are trying/have made a good rep for themselves and are upstanding citizens.

Things for free? Don't have to work? Trust me, even the bottom feeders work. They don't work full-time, but they put in hours in Food Service and Hotels.

Act like idiots? Sure, but that can be said for the bottom feeders of any racial group.

Are they dragging down the reputation of our culture as a whole? Sure they are, but I'll tell you what I personally experience as a black person:

Let's say i'm on my way to a job interview. I get there, and at first, the interviewer(white) is usually a bit skeptical, but they see that i'm fully qualified and have a lot to offer, they usually open up and realize that he doesn't fit the stereotype that I envisioned about these people for years.

There are ways to overcome sterotypes.

Commercial rap music? Yes, yes it is....

Anybody with a brain could tell that much.

so you are admitting rap music is part of the problem??

Yes, it is indeed a part of the problem. Unfortunately, we as minorities are puppets of the music industry, and exploit our own women(and now women of other races as well) as bitches, hoes, sluts, etc., and we sell drugs to our peers to buy studio time.

This is exactly why I haven't bought a Rap CD in over 7 years, and if a friend wants it, i'll be more than happy to bootleg it for him with a nice case and label for $5 .