Even though it has the gayest name possible, I absolutely love my Ford Probe. It has all the right curves (like a camaro but smaller and FWD), runs great, is all paid off, and knows how to turn. I know how many people think the Probe is a bad car and a failure, and I'm here to tell you that it's like an Integra with a V6, more room, less theft potential, bigger sleeper factor, and tells the world I'm comfortable with my image by driving something with "probe" written in silver letters across the back.

Klze?

Lol, no but I've thought about it. 160hp has been enough because I granny drive it. Cars that run / corner well don't beg to be opened up like an earth shaking, teeth jarring V8 RX7 with 350 ft.lbs torque and a 4.11 lsd rear end. Some cars are a nice comfortable balance between performance and civility, while others just assault the pavement. The former are satisfying during normal light driving while the latter refuse to move with anything less than an electrifying jolt of acceleration with every control input......... that aint the probe, lol. :)

Post some pics!

I know exactly what you mean by the "Sleeper" factor. I have an Jaguar X-Type and I've shocked quite a few people at the light from a dead stop. Gotta love AWD and good rubber.

I love my car and I don't regret my decision for one minute. There's no other car out there that I could find that had a V6, AWD, Manual, Leather, and other misc goodies for the price.

I like the Probe too. It's a great car and I considered buying on many occasions one because I like to be different and I rather have a V6 with 160+ HP than a 4 banger on steriods with no low end power.

Of course there's always the haters. I don't sweat it because only the owner of the car can truly speak for their driving experience. I could give two shits about what some idiot mag racing consumer report asshole has to say about my car. As long as YOU enjoy it, that's all that matters.

the turbo probes are sweet.

what are those jags worth these days?

I really want a nice DD that's got lots of power and AWD, and it MUST be manual.

the turbo probes are sweet.

what are those jags worth these days?

I really want a nice DD that's got lots of power and AWD, and it MUST be manual.

You can find a manual easily under 20k in good condition. I recommend finding an X-Type Sport, as it looks a helluva lot better with body colored molding, nicer wheels, sport tuned suspension. I have some pics of my X in my gallery.

If you want good power, you'll want to get the 3.0L with the manual. I have the 2.5 and mated with the manual, it's quick, but not fast. The 3.0 gives you a good bit more power on tap. I couldn't find a 3.0 for the life of me when I bought mine, and for the price I paid, there was no incentive for me to find a 3.0 and lose out on the deal.

The ride is decent for a car with sport tuned suspension, but you can't beat the prices you can get one for. AWD, Leather, V6, Manual, and some other goodies for under 20k used and in good condition. It's quite a looker too. :)

probe lol

you think every car borrowed lines from the FD, we already had this discussion on the NSX and you failed there too

The 2nd gen probe is nothing more than a more streamlined version of the first. Or are you gonna claim that the pop up lights, just like you did last time, are evidence of borrowing?? geez, man, the FD is a badass car, but you really need to give it up--not every car borrows from it, in fact most dont, and thats what makes the FD so good, because it is just that much different than anything else out there.

you think every car borrowed lines from the FD, we already had this discussion on the NSX and you failed there too

The 2nd gen probe is nothing more than a more streamlined version of the first. Or are you gonna claim that the pop up lights, just like you did last time, are evidence of borrowing?? geez, man, the FD is a badass car, but you really need to give it up--not every car borrows from it, in fact most dont, and thats what makes the FD so good, because it is just that much different than anything else out there.

Skydiver, I'm pretty convinced that you thrive off picking fights with YZF. It used to be funny, but now it's just disturbing.

You're a drama queen, period.

http://www.senatemajority.com/images/upload/Image/dramaqueen.jpg

lol ^

wanna race my camry?

i have a special place in my heart for camrys. first car was a '93 5spd camry sedan. that thing was slow as hell but i'll never forget it.

the turbo probes are sweet.

what are those jags worth these days?

I really want a nice DD that's got lots of power and AWD, and it MUST be manual.


Ever heard of Audi?

Blegh, overpriced VWs.

Not very Christian to say bullshit.

Blegh, overpriced VWs.

Yup, and don't forget super reliable (SARCASM) :rolleyes:

ok, cow poop

LOL

Yup, and don't forget super reliable (SARCASM) :rolleyes:


This coming from the Jaguar owner

no, you voiced a long winded opinion, as always..."fail" is your jr. high bullshit

um, dude, you really need to lay off the crack.

This isnt opinion, it was fact. In 1984, Honda asked Pininfarina to design the body for the HP-X concept car. This design is what the NSX was originally based off of. In 1984, precisely how many FD's do you think there were for Honda to take styling cues from??


The first gen NSX was first showcased at the big auto shows in 1989. Again, how many FD's do you think there were in 1989 for Honda to copy styling ideas from?

The first year it was sold was 1990. Any FD's floating around in 1990, Marky?? Didnt think so.


Like I said, you fail.

This coming from the Jaguar owner

And that's come from a Rover owner...:rolleyes:

You can make all the claims you want about any brand from Toyota to Kia, but it's a known fact that VW has had huge quality control and reliability problems over the past decade. You "COULD" say that about Jaguar before Ford took over. However that was also about 20 years ago. Jags have been rock solid since then.

Rover is known for shit reliability, even after they were bought by BMW and then sold to Premier Auto Group. Other than attempting to dig up stories through Google about rare experiences, Jaguar doesn't have quality control or reliability problems in any of their models.

And that's come from a Rover owner...:rolleyes:

You can make all the claims you want about any brand from Toyota to Kia, but it's a known fact that VW has had huge quality control and reliability problems over the past decade. You "COULD" say that about Jaguar before Ford took over. However that was also about 20 years ago. Jags have been rock solid since then.

Rover is known for shit reliability, even after they were bought by BMW and then sold to Premier Auto Group. Other than attempting to dig up stories through Google about rare experiences, Jaguar doesn't have quality control or reliability problems in any of their models.



I never made the comparison of my car being reliable, I know for a fact that it's not, and that really has nothing to do with my post. I was pointing at the hilarity of a Jaguar owner (no matter what they are now, they are historically well known as being the most unreliable car ever) calling an Audi "unreliable". That was funny.

I never made the comparison of my car being reliable, I know for a fact that it's not, and that really has nothing to do with my post. I was pointing at the hilarity of a Jaguar owner (no matter what they are now, they are historically well known as being the most unreliable car ever) calling an Audi "unreliable". That was funny.

No, but you made a comparison as if Jaguars are unreliable cars, which they are not. Again, if you're talking about 20 years ago, then we can have that discussion. Otherwise, then you don't have a case for even using the words Jaguar and unreliable in the same sentence.

I don't buy that bullshit about that you were point at the hilarity of Jaguar "historically" known for being unreliable. You were making a very general statement that hasn't proved true in the past 20 years.

And how in the hell do you have the audacity to point at the hilarity when you own a Rover? A brand that hasn't even repaired its tarnished image of being the most unreliable SUVs ever produced. How's that for a slap in the face for $70k large?

Audi is VW, and VW is german junk.

No, but you made a comparison as if Jaguars are unreliable cars, which they are not. Again, if you're talking about 20 years ago, then we can have that discussion. Otherwise, then you don't have a case for even using the words Jaguar and unreliable in the same sentence.

I don't buy that bullshit about that you were point at the hilarity of Jaguar "historically" known for being unreliable. You were making a very general statement that hasn't proved true in the past 20 years.

And how in the hell do you have the audacity to point at the hilarity when you own a Rover? A brand that hasn't even repaired its tarnished image of being the most unreliable SUVs ever produced. How's that for a slap in the face for $70k large?

Audi is VW, and VW is german junk.

thats funny....

http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/ConsumerReportsSnapshot.aspx?year=2007&make=Jaguar&model=S-TYPE

The S-Type lacks the outstanding interior quality and quietness of its major competitors from Audi, BMW, Lexus, and Mercedes-Benz. The 3.0-liter V6 doesn't feel very responsive, particularly at low revs. The 4.2-liter V8 with the six-speed automatic makes for a strong powertrain. The ride is supple and well controlled. Handling is sound, with well-weighted steering and good body control. The rear seat and trunk are cramped. The R model gets a supercharged, 400-hp engine. Reliability continues to be subpar. A redesign called the XF is in the works

http://money.cnn.com/2004/11/08/pf/autos/cr_auto_reliability/

In short, that link shows that in 2004, the Jag was among the least reliable cars in its class. Which would explain why the first link stated that "reliability continues to be subpar", because it is.

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=ind_focus.story&STORY=/www/story/08-30-2007/0004654601&EDATE=THU+Aug+30+2007,+06:00+PM

Bad Bets: BMW 7-Series, Infiniti QX56, Jaguar S-Type, Jaguar X-Type,
Mercedes-Benz M-Class (V8), Mercedes-Benz SL, Nissan Armada, Nissan Titan,
Volkswagen Touareg, Volvo XC90 (6-cyl.)

So much for reliability....

I've heard the 7 series isn't so unreliable, it's just that massive engine you have the option of getting in some years . . .


The fact that it has one ECU for each bank of cyls should clue you in to it's over-engineered insane complexity.

Yup, and don't forget super reliable (SARCASM) :rolleyes:

TDI is one of the most reliable engines built k thx.

And that encompasses what tiny percent of total VW\Audi sales?
:-p

And that encompasses what tiny percent of total VW\Audi sales?
:-p

MK3 and MK4 2.slows are pretty gosh darn reliable as well. The engines that are not reliable are the goofy designed engines like the 1.8T with it's INDIVIDUAL COIL PACKS! (^%&^$%&E$!!!), and the VR6 with it's 15 Degree V and it's Iron Block and Aluminum Head (FTL!) I had an unreliable VR6 and did most the work on it myself though. Very difficult to work on without a bit of knowledge (and I am by no means saying I am a genius mechanic), but with a Haynes manual and the right tools, most work is cake.

As a VW enthusiast myself, I love the interchangability of parts as well.

Example: On my Old 95 GTI VR6, the Power Steering Pressure hose went. I priced this out and it was something like 200 dollars listing at a Import Auto Parts store. It had a fitting for a banjo at the end that connected to the pump. The Power Steering Hose for a 2.slow was 20 bucks at Autozone minus the banjo fitting. By removing the banjo adapter on the power steering pump, I could use the 2.slow line. 3 Minutes extra work+180 dollars saved=Ub33r 1337.

Edit to add: The same works backwards suprisingly. The MAF on the 2.slow is around 300 or maybe even 400 bucks new. The 12V VR6 MAF is like 80 dollars new. Interchangeable. Stupid VW owners (which many are and I will not argue this fact) spend a lot of cash due to the unreliability of the cars. Educated VW owners (like myself) Pwn.

1 more for good measure: Fuel pump on my GTI VR6 went. VR6 Fuel Pump was I think 250-260. 2.slow one was 89.99. Literally...the same pump. Cross-referenced part numbers and everything.

1 More (seriously to add this time): Stupid VW owners also buy the stupid VW fluids that they charge up the ass for. G11 and G12 Pentosin Coolant, "VW Authentic Power Steering Fluid," G4 75w-90 as G5 will kill Brass Synchros...Just gimme a fucking thing of Mobil 1 Gear Oil and Shut the Fuck up VWOA (Volkswagen of America).

No, but you made a comparison as if Jaguars are unreliable cars, which they are not. Again, if you're talking about 20 years ago, then we can have that discussion. Otherwise, then you don't have a case for even using the words Jaguar and unreliable in the same sentence.

I don't buy that bullshit about that you were point at the hilarity of Jaguar "historically" known for being unreliable. You were making a very general statement that hasn't proved true in the past 20 years.

And how in the hell do you have the audacity to point at the hilarity when you own a Rover? A brand that hasn't even repaired its tarnished image of being the most unreliable SUVs ever produced. How's that for a slap in the face for $70k large?

Audi is VW, and VW is german junk.

Because I wasn't claiming that my car is more reliable than an Audi, genius. Most people with any sense that buy a Rover know that they typically have problems, and have the budget to take care of those problems. I don't really understand what you are even attempting to argue here. Both brands are British, British reliability and quality control is historically laughable. Jaguars are historically known to be one of the least reliable brands ever. What are you attempting to prove? You own a Ford Contour with a Jaguar on the hood. Congrats, it's reliable now.

Jaguars are historically known to be one of the least reliable brands ever.


Err, Italian cars . . . Russian cars . . . Chinese cars . . . YUGOSLAVIAN CARS.


:-p

But yeh, Jaguar sucked hardcore up until Ford bought them and rebuilt their whole manufacturing process. Jag is one of the few car companies who's cars got BETTER after being purchased by an American company.

British reliability and quality control is historically laughable.

Rolls Royce. Bentley.

MSN and CNN for automotive sources...

That's funny.

You own a Ford Contour with a Jaguar on the hood. Congrats, it's reliable now.

If you'd like to point out the similarities between the X-Type and the Countour, I'll wait. But before you start...

They were NOT built on the same platform.
They were NOT built in the same plant.
The engines are NOT identical, contrary to what most people think.
The Contour NEVER had AWD. Just pointing out the obvious.

Some electronics, relays, and other miscellaneous tidbits, but other than that, these cars are not identical in anyway, shape, or form.

If it were a rebadged Contour, then sure I would accept that. But they clearly are not a badge job of each other .

SVT Contour was still a FWD POS?

SVT Contour was still a FWD POS?

Believe it or not, they're one of the better FWD cars of their time. More like the Mazda3 of the late 90's.

SVT Focus Mo Betta IMO.

^Bleh, I don't like hatches. Just not a big fan of the rolling bubble.

:)

I think the second gen borrowed lines from the FD

wanna race my camry? ;)

A modern camry is probably a second faster in the 1/4. If we're talking road course or autocross, you're on!

Looks like this thread blew up and I missed all the fun.

the turbo probes are sweet.


I've been noticing the first gen probes and they look clean and simple. I think the turbo PGT would be a lot of fun. It has serious torque for its hp..... otherwise known as quick times for the trap speed, heh.

Put a v8 in your FC. It's a totally awesome feeling to have the car just explode on the pavement with every stab!

:)

I think the second gen borrowed lines from the FD



And just what is so bad about owning a $3500 beater that looks and (almost) handles like an FD? Is it because, from your vantage point, it makes the object of your idolatry less rare and Almighty?

;)

my friends probe sucks

That's a clean probe............

Thanks. :) It's why I couldn't leave without buying it. I was looking for an Integra but they were all modified by ricers. Nice thing about the probe is ricers / thieves hate them and think they're gay. It sure is fun laying several bus lengths on tailgaters when a bunch of turns come up. This car seriously handles...... not as good as a sorted RWD car but pretty good for what it is, and a lot better than my old Taurus SHO.

Jag is one of the few car companies who's cars got BETTER after being purchased by an American company.

quoted for truth.