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Join in on this Discussion and see the pictures. Click here-> : Man-sized grouper declared new species


BATMAN
08-21-2008, 03:47 PM
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A man-sized grouper that trolls the tropical waters of the Eastern Pacific Ocean for octopuses and crabs has been identified as a new fish species after genetic tests.

Called the goliath grouper, the fish can grow to six feet (1.8 meters) in length and weigh a whopping 1,000 pounds (454 kg). Until now, scientists had grouped this species with an identical looking fish (also called the goliath grouper, or Epinephelus itajara) living in the Atlantic Ocean.

"For more than a century, ichthyologists have thought that Pacific and Atlantic goliath grouper were the same species," said lead researcher Matthew Craig of the Hawaii Institute of Marine Biology, "and the argument was settled before the widespread use of genetic techniques."

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Once upon a time, about 3.5 million years ago — before the Caribbean and the Pacific were separated by present-day Panama — they were, in fact, the same species. Now, DNA tests have revealed the two populations have distinct genes, indicating they likely evolved into two separate species after their ocean homes were divided by Central America.

Scientists disagree about how to define the term "species" and what separates species from one another biologically, though some say that a species is a group that can mate with one another and produce offspring that are not sterile. However, this biological definition doesn't always hold up, for instance, with coyotes and wolves (considered separate species), which can successfully produce fertile offspring. In this study, the scientists relied on differences in the fishes' genetic codes to establish the separate grouper species.

The new Pacific species, now designated as Epinephelus quinquefasciatus, is described in a recent issue of the journal Endangered Species Research.

The Atlantic variety, E. itajara, is currently listed as critically endangered by the IUCN, or International Union for Conservation of Nature. Due to its scarcity, E. quinquefasciatus also may be considered critically endangered.

"In light of our new findings, the Pacific goliath grouper should be treated with separate management and conservation strategies," said researcher Rachel Graham of the Wildlife Conservation Society in New York.

The research was funded by Programa Petrobras Ambiental, Conservation International Brazil to Projeto Meros do Brasil, The Summit Foundation, National Science Foundation and Hawaii Institute of Marine Biology.

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Vert8813B
08-21-2008, 04:48 PM
It eats Octopus, so it may eat a man!

BATMAN
08-21-2008, 05:04 PM
u need to chew a man since he got bones, ya know......

Vert8813B
08-21-2008, 05:51 PM
Octopus have...like cartilage.

I wonder if the big grouper gives a nice big gummer...

BATMAN
08-22-2008, 10:13 AM
ur kidding right?

oakback
08-22-2008, 10:42 AM
The Atlantic variety, E. itajara, is currently listed as critically endangered

Yeah, right. Ask any fisherman, commercial or recreational, if they think the jewfish is endangered. The fucking everywhere, eating all the damn gag and red grouper (dad and I go spearfishing).

They're scary as fuck, too. I would never intentionally get as close to one as that guy is, they're usually very territorial. They face right at you, open their mouth real big (which my shoulders could fit in without touching the edges), and let out this sound that sounds like someone hitting a bass drum.

A few years ago it was neat to see one, then I'd see one on every structure we visited, and recently I saw 4 or 5 on one structure. It's like watching a gang roll by, looking like they could kill you if they wanted, and you can't do a damn thing about it (if you speared one it would most likely take you for the ride of your life/death).

BATMAN
08-22-2008, 11:15 AM
Big jewfish are usually quite friendly around divers. They’re often curious and seem to be interested in what you’re doing. It’s very tempting to try to feed them, but please beware - that is a big mouth and it does have some teeth. Most wrecks have "resident" jewfish that regular visitors to the site become very attached to. Both diver and fish seem to learn to recognize one another after a few encounters. The really massive jewfish are usually content to lie in their grotto and peer out, content in their role as "biggest kid on the block".

Vert8813B
08-22-2008, 11:55 AM
ur kidding right?

About which part? Getting a BJ from the thing?

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