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95whitepep 02-02-2008, 08:17 PM SALT LAKE CITY - Gordon B. Hinckley was remembered as a "prophet to the people" on Saturday as tens of thousands of faithful Mormons gathered to say goodbye to the church's longtime president.
The funeral at the conference center of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints capped a week of mourning for Hinckley, who died Jan. 27 at age 97.
Hinckley's children and closest advisers chronicled his lifetime service to the faith, including unprecedented growth during his 13 years as president.
"He was our prophet, seer and revelator. He was an island of calm in a sea of storm," said Thomas S. Monson, a friend for more than 50 years, a close advisor and likely to be Hinckley's successor. He called him a "prophet to the people."
During Hinckley's tenure, the church expanded to 13 million members from 9 million in 160 countries. He established an education fund to help returned missionaries, expanded the church's humanitarian work and built more than 75 temples around the world.
On Feb. 8, the church will dedicate its 125th temple, in Rexburg, Idaho.
"Disciplined and courageous, with an unbelievable capacity for work, he believed in growth," daughter Virginia H. Pearce said. "He was a marvel to watch."
The 90-minute service was mixed with eulogies and soothing hymns from the world-famous Mormon Tabernacle Choir at the nearly full 21,000-seat conference center.
The grandson of Mormon pioneers, Hinckley was born in Salt Lake City and spent much of his youth on a family farm.
He had his eye on a journalism career, but instead went to work for the church in 1935 to establish a public relations department. He was credited with seeing the potential of media and technology to spread the church message.
"Gordon B. Hinckley was the great communicator," church elder Earl C. Tingey said, adding to the long list of the late president's attributes celebrated Saturday.
Henry B. Eyring, promoted last year to Hinckley's leadership circle, called him an optimist who was undaunted by difficult challenges and often responded with a smile and a simple phrase: "Oh, things will work out."
Hinckley was driven by his desire "to bless individuals with opportunity," Eyring said. "Always he thought of those with the least opportunity, the ordinary person struggling to cope with the difficulties of everyday life."
Hinckley loved to be among the faithful, visiting 150 countries and logging more than 250,000 miles.
Starting Thursday, mourners came in droves for a chance to walk by Hinckley's open casket. The church said 57,443 people attended two days of a public viewing — some standing in line for up to five hours to walk past the casket.
Hours before the funeral began, lines stretched out of Temple Square, where free tickets were distributed, and onto the sidewalk. Some people spent the night in freezing weather to get a pass, and volunteers distributed hot chocolate.
"There's nowhere else on Earth I'd rather be at this moment, even if it's freezing," said Michelle Miller of Salt Lake City, who was waiting to get in.
Politicians from Utah, Idaho, California, Arizona, Nevada and Oregon, including Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Mormon, attended the service.
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, whose father once served in the church's highest leadership, and his wife, Anne, also attended.
In a final gesture, mourners waived white handkerchiefs as Hinckley's coffin left the conference center, repeating a gesture he often used to greet the crowds wherever he appeared.
Hinckley will be buried in the Salt Lake City Cemetery, alongside his wife. His successor is expected to be named this week.
Many called the occasion bittersweet, saying they were sad for themselves, but comforted in their belief that the church president had been reunited with his wife, Marjorie, who died in 2004.
A ceremony performed inside Mormon temples binds families together for time and all eternity, said Jana Riess, a Mormon convert and the Cincinnati-based co-editor of "Mormonism for Dummies."
"I don't want to be too cliche, but this idea that Mormons hold fast to their eternal families makes an enormous difference in how they feel about death," Riess said.
Mormons also differ from other Christians in their belief that heaven will not be a place of rest, but one where the work of the church and individuals will continue — something Hinckley often mentioned in his speeches to members.
czarofzar 02-02-2008, 10:24 PM Never met the man. Maybe God will put him to work in heaven and start over saturating His towns with churches.
95whitepep 02-04-2008, 11:30 PM Mormons aren't in heaven because they practice idolatry...and this is just more of the same
idolatry? Prove it, in what way?
I'm sure the same can be said about you.... You're practically gay for MacArthur.
czarofzar 02-05-2008, 12:14 AM False or not, they are called prophets for THIER church.
95whitepep 02-05-2008, 01:15 AM LOL, the Mormons don't worship their 'prophets'....so how do you get idolatry out of that?
LOL, the Mormons don't worship their 'prophets'....so how do you get idolatry out of that?
95 WhitePep,
Do you see anything that's doctrinally damning about the Mormons?
95whitepep 02-05-2008, 09:04 AM 95 WhitePep,
Do you see anything that's doctrinally damning about the Mormons?
Oh boy a question for a question, so liberal of you to do that.
I want YZF to justify and prove his point.... if he could. I have a feeling that his brainwashing won't allow it . We shall see...
YZF, you answer please?
95whitepep 02-05-2008, 12:11 PM indirectly they do, because God's Word to His true prophets and apostles is supplanted with human generated rhetoric, a form of idolatry which God has absolutely zero tolerance for...God hates any false teaching, period
Revelation 2
“To the angel of the church of Ephesus write,
‘These things says He who holds the seven stars in His right hand, who walks in the midst of the seven golden lampstands: “I know your works, your labor, your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars; and you have persevered and have patience, and have labored for My name’s sake and have not become weary. Nevertheless I have this against you, that you have left your first love. Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent. But this you have, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God.â€â€™
Man YZF you better wise up.
In no certain way are the LDS church the Nicolaitans, and there is NOTHING to prove other wise. As a matter of fact, it is in debate of who the Nicolaitans are, and that you cannot dispute.
As for your apostles quote...Are you an apostle for Christ?
So the LDS church, taking Christ's example. appoints 12 persons, which they call an apostles, to head their church. Whats in a name? Should we not follow Christ's example of His organizational structure to head a church? Or should we have a church like the catholics with a pope?
Commend the LDS for trying to replicate what Christ had established with his apostles. The LDS does worship Christ....your brainwashed hatred of them only shows the lies your were taught.
2ndGen.Rocket 02-05-2008, 11:36 PM Did you know Mormon's believe that after Jesus was laid to rest, he traveled to America and gave his "tablets" to the Native American Jews? During the 3 days he was supposedly laid to rest and resurrected, he managed to make it to what is now America and give a message to Native Indians who were supposedly also Jewish.
Pretty fucking crazy. Not that I believe Christianity is any more plausible, nor do I have any problem with Mormon's since every one that I know is a great person. The story is ludicrous however.
czarofzar 02-05-2008, 11:45 PM I rather have a morman family watch my children than a christain family. Hands down. they are family oreinated. They also spend a lot of cash using the media, speaking about common sense on how to care for your own family. ALl I hear about christains is how south america grows its crops bigger than the whoile fucking world becuase they use our tith Gods money.
czarofzar 02-05-2008, 11:46 PM *hic*
czarofzar 02-05-2008, 11:49 PM *hic* my penis says its time to p
2ndGen.Rocket 02-06-2008, 12:52 AM Every Mormon I've ever known was a really great person. Truly family-oriented, honest, and a genuinely good human. Their beliefs are wacky, but I won't slight them because I think that their family values are unparalleled.
Archie's8 02-06-2008, 02:07 AM Every Mormon I've ever known was a really great person. Truly family-oriented, honest, and a genuinely good human. Their beliefs are wacky, but I won't slight them because I think that their family values are unparalleled.
+1. Absolutely, without a doubt, some of the nicest individuals you could meet.
95whitepep 02-06-2008, 02:58 PM so....will Mormons be saved by being "good"?
I can assure you, they will not
Very well said captain obvious....
But will they be saved because they believe in Christ, and follow His commandments?
BATMAN 02-06-2008, 03:54 PM who's worse mormons, catholics or muslims?
rank them
BATMAN 02-06-2008, 03:55 PM oh, and add the others in here too... u know buddhists, taoist, etc....
95whitepep 02-06-2008, 05:22 PM no, as I already stated, you cannot mix human false teaching with Biblical doctrine
Muslims also believe in Jesus, but they do not believe Christ was God incarnate in human flesh
All of the LDS that I have talked with believes that Christ was God in the flesh...so whom am I to believe, you with your erroneous web sites, or straight from a Mormon's testimony?
Have you ever asked a mormon if they believe that Christ was the Son of God?
95whitepep 02-06-2008, 09:58 PM LOL, like I'm going to read that propagandist crap you're posting from that website.
Make up your OWN mind there skidMArk, and don't believe the BS your read.
most people don't know what they believe, so that's no criteria of anything
Man you really do screw up doctrine don't you. How simple is it to believe that Christ is Lord? Obviously it is far too hard for you to think that, you still believe in salvation by works...."If I only know the Bible I will be saved...."
Too bad you lost the meaning if Jesus and the reason he came to save us.......
95whitepep 02-07-2008, 07:02 AM I certainly do not believe in salvation by works, I believe in justification by faith, based on RIGHT doctrine, not man made fairy tales about Jesus
BS, you may spout what you think your are doing right but your actions is much different.Keep on saying one thing and doing another. You are as obvious as you ever will be....keep gloating on your works and you 'knowledge' of scripture. You'll never get it.
95whitepep 02-07-2008, 12:30 PM all this from the divorcee who routinely gloats about adultery/immorality?
you were wrong about the six day Creation, wrong about the global Flood, wrong about God being "methodical", and wrong now...your understanding of the scriptures is limited to a free-wheeling, whimsical, smack talking version of Your Best Life Now
self deceived, like so many in 2008
FAIL, its really pathetic when all you can do is start name slinging in that way...yea, you sure do walk the path :rolleyes:....
And when do I gloat? Maybe once twice a yea...yea right. But it must be boasting since you have never and will never be in any relationship with a women....because we all know you are secretly gay :gay2:
Its not the fact that I may be wrong about any of those topics its the fact that you have believed in a false interpretation of them....you have been brainwashed since birth and can never come to a conclusion of your own.
BTW I have never read or even seen 'Your Best Life Now', had to google just to find out your paranoid mind was ranting about.....go check your meds there skidMark, the delusions are talking again.
95whitepep 02-07-2008, 01:36 PM blah
hit the road, I stink
True, you do suck.....
But this thread sticks because of your posts, not the topic.
95whitepep 02-07-2008, 03:55 PM fruitless skidMark...
BATMAN 02-07-2008, 04:28 PM most of these eastern pagan religions are some form of self worship: getting in touch with your "higher self", moving to a "higher plane"...they often contain some beneficial elements, but they don't save anyone from the wrath of God and they don't justify anyone
Few of them really have an emphasis on GOD or the monothestic portion.
Not as religious as the Judeo-Christian stuff.
Most have rules and focus on being a good person.
The chief motive is the golden rule.
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