Comes out April 17

http://www.myspace.com/nin

anyone goin to the ratm reunion concert?

Damn, I forgot that nobody visits this section. Should have posted this in STB.

I would venture that all that you consider to be warped comes from The Downward Spiral album. His best work is from The Fragile.

Here's one of my favourites:

As black as the night can get
Everything is safer now
There's always a way to forget
Once you learn to find a way how

In the blur of serenity
Where did everything get lost
The flowers of naivety
Buried in a layer of frost
The smell of sunshine
I remember sometimes

Thought he had it al before they called his bluff
Found out that his skin just wasn't thick enough
Wanted to go back to how it was before
Thought he lost everything
Then he lost a whole lot more

A fool's devotion
Swallowed up in empty space
The tears of regret
Frozen to the side of his face

The smell of sunshine
I remember sometimes

I've done all I can do
Could I please come with you
Sweet smell of sunshine
I remember sometimes

I'm more interested in the new Rush disc....I guess that is old school for you young-ins ;)

I might actually like Rush were it not for their lead singer. For me, his voice ruins it.

i have 3 leaked tracks and played one of them last night, the crowed liked it alot......i will be buying this new album

Which ones? Any chance of posting them on here?

I always had this image of NIN fans being demented weird pieces of trash. I get a fair amount of free concert tickets and I went to a NIN concert in charlotte and I have to say it was probably the best concert I have ever been to. The people weren't bad and the concert was AWESOME. The video equipment they had was awesome and about 3/4 of the way through a lightning storm rolled in and they kept playing. Every once in a while the thunder would hit and they'd use it to roll into the next part of the song. It was absolutely amazing.

This is getting pretty interesting.

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2007/02/22/year-zero-project-way-cooler-than-lost/

I think I lost all interest in NIN after The Fragile. After I understood that I had purchased more NIN albums than anything else, and half of them only had a very short song listing (or just remixes of the same song over and over again) just to make Trent Reznor rich beyond my imagination, I quit listening. I did end up buying the Live dvd and cd along with the Still album, but ever since then I have not bought a single one.

Then I found out that he had re-released some of his older albums. What the hell was that about? Didn't make enough money off of them the first time around?

A lot of fans like those remix albums, myself included. They give a different perspective of some of his songs, but I can see how casual fans might be put off by that.

If Trent Reznor was only concerned about the money, he probably would have produced more than 4 proper albums since 1989.

Four songs off the new album have been "leaked" so far. You can download them for free here:

http://symphonyofnoise.com/nails/yearzero/

You can DL the video for Survivalism here if anyone is interested.

http://www.ifgiven.com/survivalism_lo.mov

sweet

Fuck!!!

The whole album has just been leaked. Now I don't know whether to DL it or wait until it's released. Either way I'm going to buy it on the 17th, but somehow this just seems wrong.

Heh, in about a week I bet the new Rush album will be leaked. Want me to post it? lol

And lars is a fucking tool

I finished downloading it but I've decided not to listen to it. I'll go out and buy the album on its release date (April 17) but if something happens that pervents me from getting it that day I'll listen to the downloaded version.

you gotta be kiddin me, you're like a kid on Christams morning, ha....you'll have the thing memorized by Easter Sunday

a little Trent for Easter? not my idea of spiritually uplifting

Nah, I did the same thing with his last album when it was leaked (surprisingly it was posted at the 7 club). Refused to listen to it until it was released and honestly, I'm glad that I did.

When it involves something that I believe in, my will power is pretty strong.

a little Trent for Easter? not my idea of spiritually uplifting

How's this for spiritually uplifting:

watch the sun,
as it crawls across a final time
and it feels like,
like it was a friend.
it is watching us,
and the world we set on fire
do you wonder,
if it feels the same?

and the sky is filled with light
can you see it?
all the black is really white
if you believe it
as your time is running out
let me take away your doubt
you can find a better a place
in this twilight

from dust to dust,
ashes in your hair remind me
what it feels like
and I won't feel again
night descends
could I have been a better person
if I could only do it all again

and the sky is filled with light
can you see it?
all the black is really white
if you believe it
and the longing that you feel
you know none of this is real
you will find a better place
in this twilight

I'm listening to it now, I guess you can hear the whole thing right on their site..."Year Zero" right?
The whole album? What site are you on exactly?

And what do you think so far?

ok, I just saw it. Didn't realize that it was an offical "leak". That changes everything.

Whether you like the guy or not, you gotta respect what he's doing. Has anyone else ever leaked their own entire album before so that everyone could listen for free?

Well, I decided that since it was set up on the website, they must want people to listen to it now so I went ahead and listened to it :D

With all their previous albums, I did not really like them all that much upon the first listen. It took time to understand and appreciate them. This album is a different story. It's catchy as hell and completely different from anything that they've ever produced. I can see this album attracting a whole new fan base.

I'll probably listen to it a billion times over the next couple of months (wonder if I'll be able to study to it?) but so far I like what I hear.

with the usual dark industrial sound that makes you want to climb into a gutter somewhere


Nah, spend a couple hours here: http://www.crimelibrary.com/about/special/index.html and YZ seems like Disney Land.

hmmm, very strange comparison....not sure what mass murderers have to do with music

You said that industrial music makes you want to crawl into a gutter, implying that it brings you to a dark place or at the very least, disrupts your state of mind. My point was that it wasn't all that dark.

Edit: and most of them aren't mass murderers, just very twisted.

I'm getting more diverse (mainly thanks to how accessible the internet makes music these days). Some of the bands that I'm currently listening to are: Bush, A Perfect Circle, Jakalope, The Tea Party (great Canadian band), Tori Amos, Finger Eleven, Tool, and string quartets of just about anything.

There's more, I just can't think of anything else right now.

Trent Reznor is one of the best musicians of the past few decades.

the question becomes, how does one define/assess musical ability/quality?

Interesting question.

The problem is, you can’t asses someone’s musical ability solely on the music that they produce. Classical composers may have been brilliant but they also existed in an era when music allowed them to be brilliant.

Today, things are rather different. Artists have to produce something that will sell. A 35 minute epic is not marketable so musicians are limited in what they are able to do. Songs require structure. You can’t make an album that is just one massive song.

Another thing you need to consider is that you aren’t seeing everything these musicians are capable of. For instance, Trent is a phenomenal piano player yet you rarely will see this in his music because his songs don’t allow for complex piano pieces.

I don’t doubt that there are no true Mozarts or Beethovens in this day but in some instances, I’m sure the comparisons are more than pitiful.

in your little pool of experience/knowledge at least


Wait I forgot, how many bands have you been in, instruments do you play, albums do you own, artists or genres are your music collection, classes have you taken, concerts have you been to, and theories have you read/developed?

Oh that's right, not nearly as many as me. You think Whitesnake had some sort of validity or importance as a band beyond furthering Tawny Kitaen's career.

Or they actually know what they are talking about. Seeing as how hip-hop is a direct link to traditional African music, which spawned traditional slave tunes, which spawned blues, which spawned rock, which then had a near-abortion with White Snake, I think it is a pretty relevant musical genre. Not to mention, it has more or less changed the face of American culture for the past 20 years or so. That's pretty relevant, no?

actually, I believe true music is being progressively eliminated by a superficial and corrupt culture that has no appreciation for it

That’s because the goals behind producing a record have changed. Rarely do artists set themselves up with the task of creating a “masterpiece” because people don’t want masterpieces anymore. Instead they want something that is easy to listen to, something that they can play in the car or dance to at the club. Does this mean that the industry has made room for people who aren’t all that talented? Sure. Does it mean that it pushed out those who are? No. Make no mistake, they are still here and avid fan aside, Nine Inch Nails is among them.

instead you have young kids bobbing their heads up and down to "gangsta rap"....and they are often mindless animals whose mouths pour out a constant stream of profanity, the same stuff they hear from their hopelessly warped "music"

Sounds like your issue is with the culture that it has produced. My grandparents used to say the same thing about Rock n’ Roll.


that's too bad, I'd like to hear it...his sadistic sound doesn't allow for it?

LOL

I doubt you've seen the Broken Video or listened to The Downward Spiral, so what have you heard that you deem to be sadistic. Be specific if you can because I'm interested in your answer.

this guy has some stunning piano work
http://www.fernandoortega.com/

Cool, I'll check it out now.

c'mon ark man, how can you say NIN is not dark music? look at the lyrics

in response to the comment about rap, granted most rock music doesn't have the greatest lyrics, but most of that stuff is vile

Dark does not equal sadistic.

His parents divorced when he was young and he lived with his grandparents in Mercer, Pennsylvania. He describes his childhood as a relatively happy one but says that it was extremely boring due to the fact that he lived in a small town.

actually, I believe true music is being progressively eliminated by a superficial and corrupt culture that has no appreciation for it

instead you have young kids bobbing their heads up and down to "gangsta rap"....and they are often mindless animals whose mouths pour out a constant stream of profanity, the same stuff they hear from their hopelessly warped "music"

it's the end times....

as always, I seek ultimate answers to these questions: how does God define music? what would God's infinite soundtrack sound like? ever wonder about that? the Bible provides some insights...for one thing it almost always involves singing, that is, actually carrying a note, not talking, whispering, rapping, yelling, or screaming....that criteria alone lets out 80% of the trash on the airwaves in 2007

the second criteria is playing instruments skillfully, often mentioned in the Bible...not a computer drum machine, not a synthesizer...Pet Shop Boys and Snoop Dogg aren't even on the radar screen...an excellent way to assess any guitar player, for example, is unplug them, hand them an acoustic guitar, and see how they fare...most would be abysmal



that's too bad, I'd like to hear it...his sadistic sound doesn't allow for it?

this guy has some stunning piano work
http://www.fernandoortega.com/

truly uplifting....true music....and it glorifies God, by no coincidence


But by narrowing out all genres and talents to make the definition of music fit what you like, you are slighting many musical crafts. Ever heard free jazz before? Would you consider that music? Lots of people don't because it sounds like a lot of squealing and beating, but it in fact has a complex rhythm structure behind it. How about math metal?

Math Metal is a form of metal performed by bands like Meshuggah, and now to a lesser extent Lamb of God. Very complex rhythm structures that change frequently

interesting

wonder where all the angst comes from? he's made a nice career out of expressing it

Rage derived from isolation

Lars' whining didn't stop the floodgates
That just made it worse.

Reznor was industrial in the beginning, now he's just another electronica punk out to make a buck.

he's just another electronica punk out to make a buck.

Yupp, that's why he released his entire album on his website so that anyone with internet access can listen to it for free :rolleyes:

Yupp, that's why he released his entire album on his website so that anyone with internet access can listen to it for free :rolleyes:
whats the biggest and best way to generate buzz for a new album and thereby generate more album sales without spending a penny for advertising?

What is the exact same method that System of a Down did?

yeah... it got "leaked" :rolleyes:

whats the biggest and best way to generate buzz for a new album and thereby generate more album sales without spending a penny for advertising?

What is the exact same method that System of a Down did?

yeah... it got "leaked" :rolleyes:

Giving away the entire album on the the offical NIN website (which was done offically by Reznor) so that everyone can listen to it for free without having to buy album and he's just out to make a buck.

As for not having to spend a penny on advertising, the marketing campaign for this new album has to be one of the most expansive campaigns ever.

http://www.echoingthesound.org/phpbbx/viewtopic.php?t=20265

Getting back on topic: Apparently Year Zero is part 1 of at least 2 parts, the second of which is to be released around this time next year. Year One, perhaps?

Its exactly like how I come across music - I hear about and artist and download their music. If I like it, I buy the cd. Trent, in a reverse psychology type of method, released his cd on his website to generate a lot of buzz around the cd so people think "One artist who isn't up for a quick buck" and then they go out and buy the album.

And as far as what you said about the remix albums a long ass time ago, how does that make any sense to you that he doesn't do that for money? What can be an easier way of making money than to hand your song off to another artist to remix, put it on a cd (meaning you only write the song once, perform it once, and suddenly you are selling it on three cds) to make money?

Sure he may have only released so many full length albums, but when his singles are almost as expensive as the full length cds and he has other people modify his songs and sells it as his own, or modifies his songs himself (it is still the same song), all that is profit. It takes him no more time to come up with lyrics, just time to modify the instrumentals, or electronic sounds of the song.

And as far as his anger goes - from the beginning it has been nothing but a means to sell albums. Sure it turned into a mass drug binge, but like what was posted before - his childhood was just boring. He had no real anger, but it sold records and so he went with it.

If Skinny Puppy had never have been formed then NIN would have never had a first album with any hit. Taking someone else's music and modifying it to make it sound like your own music, and changing all the lyrics and singing them in a fashion that everyone can get into from the start doesn't make you one of the world's greatest musicians. Bands like Ministry, Skinny Puppy, Throbbing Gristle, and Alien Sex Fiend completely set the road that NIN followed, he just made it more commercialized and thus listener friendly. Its pathetic.

And before we get into all the nonsense about how he became famous because of how talented he is and the others failed - I'd love to see Trent try and play guitar, synth, and drums all at the same time like cEvin Key did in the 80's.

And also, the other bands that I listed that you've never heard of were never into making music for the money - they were doing it as an expression of art. Their music isn't toned down to sell albums. Their music isn't meant to be for a wide group of people, and with the type of attitude of "you either like it or you don't" it definitely isn't going to draw a lot of attention to people.

I am just so sick of hearing a band who is undeserving get so much praise for all the wonderful things they've been doing when the fact of the matter that the music that paved the way for most of the bands you listen to don't get any credit in the least because they will never get the listener friendly sound that gives bands like NIN the respect they get.

Its like the old scenario I read about dealing with Pig and Trent. Trent was at a Pig concert and at the concert Trent goes up to Raymond Watts (Pig front man) and tells him how great a show it was, and starts talking about his band (this being in the early 90's so it was after Trent got big). Raymond Watts told him straight up that his music was just watered down music that was build for nothing but selling records that was pretty much ripped off of other artists.

Trent did end up making him eat his words considering that Pig couldn't get signed onto a label, and so Trent dicked him over once he signed over onto Nothing Records for a couple cds. If you can manage to find one of the cds that were made on Nothing Records, you'd be lucky to get it for 75 dollars thanks to the insanely low amount of numbers produced of the albums.

Let me see here, some fans enjoy the remix albums, don't mind paying $10 for them, hence they buy them. Others who don't enjoy them, don't feel that they are worth $10 and therefore don't buy them. I used to think that there were only two categories here but you've made me aware of a third one, retards who don't like the remix albums, find that they are too expensive, choose to buy them anyway, and then complain about them.

Look at the sales of any of these remix albums and you'll see that they aren't even a blip on the radar. Virtually no marketing goes into selling those cds and before you say that that is just so he can make more money, think about how logical that sounds. I never said that Trent wasn't in it for the money. What I did say is that money is not his sole motivation here. If it were, he would have put more effort into selling remix albums and once again, he would have produced more albums instead of taking a five year break in between releases.

With respect to Ministry and Skinny Puppy, everyone knows that he used them as inspiration. So what? Every fucking artist in the history of music has used some artists in the past and loosely based their music on them. Big deal. I've heard some of Pig's music and I'm not a fan. Does that make me a watered down fan? I love how morons think that any time a band becomes famous that the people who follow them are just watered down and shallow. Funny how artists who fail at making it big always tend to agree, isn't it? Got any more high-handed, bullshit observations?

Yes, Pretty Hate Machine was a more listener friendly album than any other industrial music out there at the time. I suppose that in your world any musician who makes music that people actually enjoy is a sellout. Was Broken more listener friendly? Was The Downward Spiral or the Fragile? An album about suicide and an album that is over a hundred minutes long filled with instrumentals, ya that's really geared towards mainstream. Hell, read any review on TDS and they almost all comment on how Closer was a surprise hit, that no one expected it to do as well as it did. Look at the whole cd. How many of those songs are even appropriate for radio? Same goes for The Fragile.

With respect to Trent's anger, I don't know if it is genuine or not. Impressive that you do.

It isn't about whether or not you like the bands that paved the way for other bands, its the fact of the matter that you have to admit when you are wrong. Sure Trent's music now compared to what it was back in '89 is entirely different, and no longer "loosely based" on those other bands - but the fact of the matter is that him as an artist is far from creative.

Moron, yeah sure I am. I just grew up and realize that Trent was trying to punk everyone out of tons of money by making the cheapest buck in music history.

It also doesn't take a genius to listen to the lyrics and see them for what they are - an edgey song to draw in angsty teens and 20 somethings that haven't grown out of it yet.

Either way. Keep buying into it. If it weren't for people like you then bands would be broke and only doing it because they want to.

Oh and as far as TDS goes, think about when you were a teenager (giving you the benefit of the doubt and saying you aren't anymore), you didn't know how to handle anything and a lot of things made you feel like killing yourself. Now what sells music? A connection to it - so let's make a bunch of songs about killing myself because that will connect to the younger audience and sell big time.

Now, you brought up The Fragile. This is by far the greatest NIN album in my mind. I actually love this album. Good songs, good writing of the songs, and really good instrumental work.

Now on that note I will say this - he does know how to play instruments really well. I'm just sick of all this praise for bands who got there start by changing the distortion on the guitar, using the same beats, and changing the samples another band used and then calling it his own work because nothing was as heavily distorted and the lyrics were different.

But regardless of all that - its your life, you listen to whatever the hell you want to listen to. I'm done with this debate.

Changing the subject, have you guys experienced the color change yet? I about shat my pants when I took the CD out of my computer from ripping it

Ya, it's called thermo chrome. I wish that I didn't know about it beforehand though, totally ruined the surprise. Still really cool anyway.

Changing the subject, have you guys experienced the color change yet? I about shat my pants when I took the CD out of my computer from ripping it

Same here. :D

The binary takes you to exterminal.net (I actually did the work only to find it on an ARG web page). Join the game, I am.

What are you guys talking about, color change?

What are you guys talking about, color change?

The CD changes colour based on it's temperature. When the CD is ice cold it's completely black. Put it in your CD player and it turns white, revealing a series of numbers that, when decoded, reveal a website. It's called thermo chrome.

Interesting quote from Trent Reznor

As the climate grows more and more desperate for record labels, their answer to their mostly self-inflicted wounds seems to be to screw the consumer over even more. A couple of examples that quickly come to mind:

* The ABSURD retail pricing of Year Zero in Australia. Shame on you, UMG. Year Zero is selling for $34.99 Australian dollars ($29.10 US). No wonder people steal music. Avril Lavigne's record in the same store was $21.99 ($18.21 US).
By the way, when I asked a label rep about this his response was: "It's because we know you have a real core audience that will pay whatever it costs when you put something out - you know, true fans. It's the pop stuff we have to discount to get people to buy."
So... I guess as a reward for being a "true fan" you get ripped off.

* The dreaded EURO Maxi-single. Nothing but a consumer rip-off that I've been talked into my whole career. No more.

The point is, I am trying my best to make sure the music and items NIN puts in the marketplace have value, substance and are worth you considering purchasing. I am not allowing Capital G to be repackaged into several configurations that result in you getting ripped off.

We are planning a full-length remix collection of substance that will be announced soon.

He fucking rules. What a bunch of BS.