an email i received. especially agree with article X.


NEW PREAMBLE TO THE CONSTITUTION


This is probably the best e-mail I've seen in a long, long time. The
following has been attributed to State Representative Mitchell Kaye from GA.
This guy should run for President one day...

"We the sensible people of the United States, in an attempt to help everyone
get along, restore some semblance of justice, avoid more riots, keep our
nation safe, promote positive behavior, and secure the blessings of
debt-free liberty to ourselves and our great-great-great-grandchildren,
hereby try one more time to ordain and establish some common sense
guidelines for the terminally whiny, guilt ridden, delusional, and other
liberal bed-wetters. We hold these truths to be self evident: that a whole
lot of people are confused by the Bill of Rights and are so dim they require
a Bill of NON-Rights."

ARTICLE I: You do not have the right to a new car, big screen TV,
or any other form of wealth. More power to you if you can legally acquire them,
but no one is guaranteeing anything.

ARTICLE II: You do not have the right to never be offended. This country
is based on freedom, and that means freedom for everyone -- not just you! You
may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc.; but the
world is full of idiots, and probably always will be.

ARTICLE III: You do not have the right to be free from harm. If you stick a
screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful; do not expect the tool manufacturer
to make you and all your relatives independently wealthy.

ARTICLE IV: You do not have the right to free food and housing. Americans
are the most charitable people to be found, and will gladly help anyone in need, but
we are quickly growing weary of subsidizing generation after generation of professional
couch potatoes who achieve nothing more than the creation of another generation of
professional couch potatoes. (This one is my pet peeve...get an education and go to work....
don't expect everyone else to take care of you!)

ARTICLE V: You do not have the right to free health care. That would be nice,
but from the looks of public housing, we're just not interested in public health care.

ARTICLE VI: You do not have the right to physically harm other people. If you
kidnap, rape, intentionally maim, or kill someone, don't be surprised if the rest of us
want to see you fry in the electric chair.

ARTICLE VII: You do not have the right to the possessions of others. If you rob,
cheat, or coerce away the goods or services of other citizens, don't be surprised if the
rest of us get together and lock you away in a place where you still won't have the right
to a big screen color TV or a life of leisure.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job. All of us sure want you to have a job,
and will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take advantage of the
opportunities of education and vocational training laid before you to make yourself useful. (AMEN!)

ARTICLE IX: You do not have the right to happiness. Being an American means that
you have the right to PURSUE happiness, which by the way, is a lot easier if you are unencumbered
by an over abundance of idiotic laws created by those of you who were confused by the Bill of Rights.

ARTICLE X: This is an English speaking country. We don't care where you are from, English is our
language. Learn it or go back to wherever you came from! (Lastly....)

ARTICLE XI: You do not have the right to change our country's history or heritage. This country
was founded on the belief in one true God. And yet, you are given the freedom to believe in any religion,
any faith, or no faith at all; with no fear of persecution. The phrase IN GOD WE TRUST is part of our
heritage and history, and if you are uncomfortable with it, TOUGH ! (Don't live here and expect our
welfare money, and don't spend our money, then !!! Go elsewhere. )


If you agree, share this with a friend. No, you don't have to, and nothing tragic will befall you if you don't.
I just think it's about time common sense is allowed to flourish. Sensible people of the United States speak
out because if you do not, who will?

"In God We Trust" has sometimes, but not always, appeared on American coins but is no more a part of American "history and heritage" than the Illuminati pyramid on the one dollar bill.

+ Friggin' 1

It seems to me like people have lost their minds. Lots of people simply don't know how to handle the real world any more IMHO. They want everything handed to them and then they want to whine because some one said "Merry Christmas" to them. I believe that this is the end result of people not disciplining their childeren any more, but there's already another thread about that. Anyway, good post!

i agree

mostly anyway

NVM, this is dumb, whoever wrote this (originally) wasted their time.

ARTICLE XI: You do not have the right to change our country's history or heritage. This country
was founded on the belief in one true God. And yet, you are given the freedom to believe in any religion,
any faith, or no faith at all; with no fear of persecution. The phrase IN GOD WE TRUST is part of our
heritage and history, and if you are uncomfortable with it, TOUGH ! (Don't live here and expect our
welfare money, and don't spend our money, then !!! Go elsewhere. )

The 100% literal interpretation of the constitution says that anyone may practice any religion. However, that ISN'T what it was intended to be. When the United States was being formed, no one even imagined that people would worship anything but God. The freedom of religion idea was implemented for Americans to worship God without the taxation of the church of England, among other governed religion taxes. If you didn't worship God back then, you were considered a witch and more than likely killed without a chance at "due process."

Believe it or not, our forefathers didn't want complete freedom of religion, they wanted tax-free christianity. That being said, God + Christianity is part of the United States "heritage"... Pretty much all of the continental congress were active Christians. Further evidence of the intentions of freedom-to-practice-tax-free-christianity-but-not-all-religions is simply having "In God We Trust" everywhere. If the intentions of separation of church and state were to keep God out of everything, "In God We Trust" wouldn't be everywhere. As stated, seperation of church + state was simply a prevention of taxation of churches by the state.

That's just the facts... Personally, I believe that we should let people make their own spiritual decisions... If you force religion upon someone, they'll be participating for the wrong reasons.

Further evidence of the intentions of freedom-to-practice-tax-free-christianity-but-not-all-religions is simply having "In God We Trust" everywhere. If the intentions of separation of church and state were to keep God out of everything, "In God We Trust" wouldn't be everywhere.

If having "in God we trust" on US currency is a reflection of the founding father's intent, not a post-revolution interptretation of same, why was it only added to US currency after the civil war, not the revolution? And even starting then, it's not "everywhere". In fact in some years it's not on coinage at all. Even this year, it's absent from the $1 coin and a few others.

Oh, and that last article was added by someone at some point down the email line, like most of these goddamned chain letters. It's not in the original draft.

If having "in God we trust" on US currency is a reflection of the founding father's intent, not a post-revolution interptretation of same, why was it only added to US currency after the civil war, not the revolution? And even starting then, it's not "everywhere". In fact in some years it's not on coinage at all. Even this year, it's absent from the $1 coin and a few others.

It's a reflection of the statement being part of American heritage... if you'd more detailed evidence to do with the forefathers/american heritage & Christianity:


The "markings" on the liberty bell were drafted after the bible: 1770s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Bell

The Star-Spangled banner: (Beginning of "In God We Trust"), 1814
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star-Spangled_Banner

The pledge of allegiance, "One nation under God": 1892
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#History

George Washington, active "Christian": 1732-1799
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_washington#Religious_beliefs

Thomas Jefferson, "deist", proclaimed belief in 1 God, 1723-1846
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_jefferson#Religious_views

Declaration of Independence, stating God entitles America to freedom, 1776
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_Independence

Benjamin Franklin, "deist" as well, believed in 1 God, wrote pamphlets about it, and requested each days Constitutional Congress begin with prayer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_franklin#Virtue.2C_religion_and_personal_ beliefs

John Adams, wasn't much on the catholic church, but a proclaimed christian:
In 1796, on Thomas Paine's The Age of Reason, Adams wrote:

The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity, let the Blackguard Paine say what he will."[38]
In another letter to Thomas Jefferson on December 25, 1813, he wrote:

I have examined all [religions]...and the result is that the Bible is the best Book in the world. It contains more philosophy than all the libraries I have seen


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_adams#Religious_views


Like it or not, Christianity IS a part of American heritage. No other religion is. Are there public muslim, buddhist, hindu markings on government property in other parts of the world? There sure is... I don't see a minority of people crying to change that though. Before arguing to just argue, look at the evidence. The intentions of "freedom of religion" were money based, because well, they really didn't foresee anyone worshipping anything/anyone but God.

That's just the facts... Personally, I believe that we should let people make their own spiritual decisions... If you force religion upon someone, they'll be participating for the wrong reasons.

Holy shit, I think that's the best post you've ever made.

It's a reflection of the statement being part of American heritage...

An inconsistant reflection - backed by evidence. As to the rest, yes some politicians and other figures have expressed a personal belief in a Christian god. But you'll find yourself allied with Mark and a few others in the isolated belief that such proclaimations automatically extend to all of 'American heritage'.

The US has grown and fourished with people coming from all over the world, of all faiths. There are more muslims in the US than Jews. There are as many Catholics as there are born-agains who insist Catholicism isn't Christianity. There are Hindus, Bhuddists, and Athiest Americans.

All collectively are American regardless of some phrase that occasionally appears on a coin, occasionally does not, depending on what lobby group is paying whom.

An inconsistant reflection - backed by evidence. As to the rest, yes some politicians and other figures have expressed a personal belief in a Christian god. But you'll find yourself allied with Mark and a few others in the isolated belief that such proclaimations automatically extend to all of 'American heritage'.
The foundation of America was influenced by christianity. The "forefathers" are a huge part of American heritage, and their beliefs and including God in pretty much everything they did is wrapped up into "a small part of American heritage" right?

The US has grown and fourished with people coming from all over the world, of all faiths. There are more muslims in the US than Jews. There are as many Catholics as there are born-agains who insist Catholicism isn't Christianity. There are Hindus, Bhuddists, and Athiest Americans.
This is relevant to what? No one said there wasn't. However, as a part of the American government, a la American heritage, christianity has been the only major religious influence.

All collectively are American regardless of some phrase that occasionally appears on a coin, occasionally does not, depending on what lobby group is paying whom.
Where are you going with this? FFS, you're a damn moron if the best you can reply with is "OH YEAH WELL THERE ARE DIFFERENT RELIGIONS IN THE UNITED STATES." I think we know that manntis, so spare us the crusade to prove to yourself that you're an intellectual. You talk, just to talk. You never really say much. This entire post was irrelevant and pretty stupid.

The statement was that Christianity is a part of American heritage. Throughout the short American history there has been absolutely no other major religious influences. Please don't reply to me with anymore stupid, pointless bullshit, arguing just to argue.

Like it or not, Christianity IS a part of American heritage.

Yes.

No other religion is.

No.

You just linked to two deists that were clearly integral to the development of the country. Deism is not Christianity. There is also ample evidence of Freemasonry influence.

Furthermore, in Article 11 of "Treaty of peace and friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli, of Barbary" of 1796 it is stated:

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

No doubt there are Christian influences to our heritage, just as there's no doubt that we are not "officially" a Christian nation.

Where are you going with this? FFS, you're a damn moron if the best you can reply with is "OH YEAH WELL THERE ARE DIFFERENT RELIGIONS IN THE UNITED STATES." I think we know that manntis, so spare us the crusade to prove to yourself that you're an intellectual. You talk, just to talk. You never really say much. This entire post was irrelevant and pretty stupid.

Sorta like all your posts in this thread? I commented on how "In God We Trust" hasn't always been on the coincs, and you decided to go on and on about how that phrase, and its presence on coins, 'proves' the US is a Christian country. Then say everyone is free to pursue their own religion. Then say Chrisitanity is deeply entrenched in US government, because In God We Trust is always on the coins, and...

I'm still waiting for your point. And don't come back with some whiney "you're arguing just to argue" . You're being a fucking juvenile moron for starting an argument based on someone else's comment, realizing you've got nothing to say, then falling back on accusing the other of starting the argument.

How did this thread go all religious without yzf?

Sorta like all your posts in this thread? I commented on how "In God We Trust" hasn't always been on the coincs, and you decided to go on and on about how that phrase, and its presence on coins, 'proves' the US is a Christian country. Then say everyone is free to pursue their own religion. Then say Chrisitanity is deeply entrenched in US government, because In God We Trust is always on the coins, and...

I'm still waiting for your point. And don't come back with some whiney "you're arguing just to argue" . You're being a fucking juvenile moron for starting an argument based on someone else's comment, realizing you've got nothing to say, then falling back on accusing the other of starting the argument.

I'm sorry, can you fucking read dickhead? And yes, you argue to just to argue... rambling about pointless shit all the time to attempt to prove you're intelligent. I said that Christianity is the only religion that's part of American heritage; I then proved it. You go rambling about how there's other religions in America as if no one fucking knew that (or cared)? Here, let me put this in terms you can understand:

1: Zero says Christianity is part of the American heritage, the only religion that's part of American heritage.
2: manntis says one of Zero's reasons isn't correct, Zero then provides 20 other reasons and tells manntis to shut the fuck up.
3: manntis retypes what Zero just said to him, except manntis threw a load of boring in there.
4: Zero puts a nail in this coffin by dumbing this whole thing down enough, even for manntis.

Plain and simple, there's other religions in America, we all know that, the comment was fucking stupid in the first place. Christianity is the only part of American heritage, "freedom of religion" was intended to be "tax free Christianity" as proven with the above information. Where do you plan to go with this now? "THERE ARE OTHER RELIGIONS IN AMERICA!!"... I really can't wait... :sleep:

Here, let me put this in terms you can understand:

1: Zero says Christianity is part of the American heritage, the only religion that's part of American heritage.

Well, already you're wrong. I posted about the inconsistencies of In God We Trust first, and you jumped in to argue with a bunch of pointless shit that can't decide whether America is solidly Christian or recognises other religions, as oyu waffle between both.

So, as I said, quit whining about someone starting an argument with you, when you're the also-ran.