What's the difference between a red-top and black-top sr20det?

I could be wrong but I believe the black top came in later models such as S-15s and are usually more expensive. Nissan stopped making REDTOP SR's in 93. But the first blacktops were essentially the same as the redtops. The blacktop SR20DET's had variable valve timing, and a T28 turbo instead of a T25.

I believe the Red-Tops are rated at 200


Black Top Specifications
Silvia 95-98 S15 SR20DET
Horsepower: 220hp at 6000rpm
Torque: 203 ft/lbs at 4800rpm
Turbo specs:
Compressor: T-28, 60 trim 60 mm BCI-1 compressor in T-04B housing
Turbine: T-25, 62 trim 53.8mm 0.64 A/R turbine housing.
Center Section: Ball Bearing
2.0L DOHC VVT
Injector Size: 270cc
Compression Ratio: 10.0:1
Stock Boost: 8 psi

Red Top Specifications
180SX 91-93 and Silvia 91-93
Displacement: 1998cc (2.0 liter)
Cam type: DOHC 16 valve, chain driven cam sprockets
Bore and stroke: 86mm x 86mm
Compression: 8.5 : 1
Horsepower: 205ps at 6000rpm
Torque: 203 ft/lbs at 4000rpm
Stock boost: 7 psi
Throttle body bore: 60mm
Injector size: 370cc/min
Compressor: T-25, 60 trim 56mm BCI-1 compressor.
Turbine: T-25, 62 trim 53.8mm 0.64 A/R turbine housing.
Center Section: Journal bearings

Their is no differences.
Red Top S13 - Came out of the older S13 models; Basically just means more miles.
Black Top S13 - Came out of newer S13 models; basically means less miles.

Black Top S14 - Obviously only s14 engine made. Less miles, larger turbo. Torque is the same but 10 more hp than the s13 sr20 engines

Black Top S15 - Only s15 engine made. Obviously the most expensive and waste of money lol. For the money spent on this motor you could beaf up the s13 black/red top for equivalent or more HP.

who gives a shit. Its ricer bullshit.

The same could be said of you and your precious V8s meddle.

Who gives a shit? Its just muscle-head bullshit.

redtop and blacktop is only made to differentiate the old s13 sr20dets

the later 'blacktops' in s14 and s15 should just be called s14 and s15 sr20dets, respectively.

hell yes meddle, turbo's and high stock power numbers are for ricers. :knob:

The same could be said of you and your precious V8s meddle.

Who gives a shit? Its just muscle-head bullshit.

Great excuse when you're slow.

imo engines dont have to make uber impressive numbers to be classified as 'good' non-ricer engines.

an engine should match the driver and whatever motorsport the driver likes to do...

a 300hp sr20det is a piece of shit in the hands of a noob driver who thinks he's JDM tyte driving obnoxiously around town.

a LS1 is equally useless when daily driven by a fat guy with a mid life crisis trying to prove something on his way to the supermarket.

you can say the same for the VW guy who drives a 81 rabbi with a 16valve swap and carbs pushing 160 hp(adam;), a guy who just likes turns and braking power.

a 300hp sr20det is a piece of shit

I agree.

Ha

http://www.sharemation.com/stllt1/ricerzo6.jpg

we have a local skyline guy... R32 RB25det... "i know its not that fast... its an automatic. i bought it to drift"

http://www.sharemation.com/stllt1/ricerzo6.jpg

Hahaha the redneck who made it couldn't even get "you're" right.

Hahaha the redneck who made it couldn't even get "you're" right.

um seriously...

and a skyline is a piece of shit

awd is for women and men who lack penis

AWD has it's place. Rally is the main one, but autocross is another. AWD helps a lot whenever you're traction limited. It rains a lot where I live so I'm traction limited quite frequently. One thing I like about the Skyline. I can fit my family inside.

we have a local skyline guy... R32 RB25det... "i know its not that fast... its an automatic. i bought it to drift"

We have a local Skyline guy here in MD too. His name is Dave and its the second fastest Skyline in the U.S. at 965hp his mods list is insane but he is a giant asshole. He actually came to the D1 showoff at Fed Ex field and half the crowd left the track to go to the parking lot and hear him rev. He came with this other guy who has a white Skyline and lives in VA. I've only seen him pop his hood once. When he comes to the local meets, he just stands around looking at everyone like he does'nt care that there impressed. Damn it that reminds me how much I hate cocky car guy assholes. Sure if I had the second fastest Skyline in America I might be an asshole but it still makes me smile thinking about how much he pays for "over night parts from Japan".lol!

AWD has it's place. Rally is the main one, but autocross is another. AWD helps a lot whenever you're traction limited. It rains a lot where I live so I'm traction limited quite frequently. One thing I like about the Skyline. I can fit my family inside.

i was really just joking. :P

i was mirroring meddle's unbridled hate for sr20dets with my dislike of awd for no real reason whatsoever.

i was really just joking. :P

i was mirroring meddle's unbridled hate for sr20dets with my dislike of awd for no real reason whatsoever.

Unbridled hate? I just think its gay ricer handholding bullshit.

I think V shaped engines are inefficient, and therefore retarded.

All engines should be an inline configuration because it is naturally balanced (with the exception of 4 cylinders), produces greater low end torque, and is easier to work on.

The laws of physics dictate that V engines will always be inferior.

All engines should be an inline configuration because it is naturally balanced (with the exception of 4 cylinders), produces greater low end torque, and is easier to work on.

The laws of physics dictate that V engines will always be inferior.

LOL, how many street driven 4 bangers out there are producing more torque than my boosted sbf?

Let me quess, oyu're going to tlak aobut handling and weight distribution next. next. Typical ricer faggotry.

ohh and the laws of physics also dictate that low displacment will always be inferior.
:)


What have you done? Cause oyu profile reads like some 20 year old driving a slow japanese rustbucket of similar age, living in some shit hole in kalifornia.

I never said a damn thing about 4-bangers. In fact, I essentially said they aren't all that great: "... because it is naturally balanced (with the exception of 4 cylinders)..."

As for me living in a shit-hole... you live in St. Louis. You might as well be from Detroit as far as being one of the worst places in the world.

And large displacement is better. It doesn't get any better than a high displacement DOHC I8.

I just happen to thing that V engines, including everyones favorite VQ35 and the LS series, should be relegated to the dust-bin.

I never said a damn thing about 4-bangers. In fact, I essentially said they aren't all that great: "... because it is naturally balanced (with the exception of 4 cylinders)..."

As for me living in a shit-hole... you live in St. Louis. You might as well be from Detroit as far as being one of the worst places in the world.

And large displacement is better. It doesn't get any better than a high displacement DOHC I8.

I just happen to thing that V engines, including everyones favorite VQ35 and the LS series, should be relegated to the dust-bin.

Idiot.

the VQ35 in our QX4 has lotsa power and a hell lota torque...but it fucking drinks premium fuel and oil like a damn monster...
and its a bitch to change the oil...and the freaking dip sticks are 3 ft+ long.

Idiot.

Prove it.

I never said a damn thing about 4-bangers. In fact, I essentially said they aren't all that great: "... because it is naturally balanced (with the exception of 4 cylinders)..."

As for me living in a shit-hole... you live in St. Louis. You might as well be from Detroit as far as being one of the worst places in the world.

And large displacement is better. It doesn't get any better than a high displacement DOHC I8.

I just happen to thing that V engines, including everyones favorite VQ35 and the LS series, should be relegated to the dust-bin.

V engines are space and weight efficient. V4 (Saab, Honda bikes), V6s, 8s, 10s, 12s, 16s, and on and on. That's why Henry Ford used them. Now exotics hae gone even further and are using W configurations.

Mercedes had a racing I8 with a desmodromic valve train. To deal with the crank torsion the power take off was done in the middle of the crank. Seemed like a good idea at the time, but like a lot of inferior designs it was abandoned. Packard had an experimental in-line 12. An experiment is all it ever was.

You can trash V engines all you like, but it really won't get you anywhere. No one is going to design their cars differently and I highly doubt you'll convert anyone here.

I highly doubt you'll convert anyone here.

That part of your statement is exactly why I threw my radical notion into the fray.

No one gives a fuck that meddle doesn't like SR20s because no one asked him.

His opinion is equally as useless and invalid to the argument as mine. And yet people take him more seriously.

I'm really bored today, and I don't mind making an ass of myself to make a random point.

Unbridled hate? I just think its gay ricer handholding bullshit.

same reason i think awd is for l4m3rz

cant we all just be friends?

friends don't let friends drive awd or cars with 4 banger engines!

how about an AWD VQ35 powered infiniti? or... a 4x4 vq35 powered nissan/infiniti?
the FX35 seems pretty sweet.

theres an awd g35. i think that fits your bill.

i don't like the fx35... a sports car SUV? in other words, its neither functional as a sports car OR a SUV. fails on both counts!

nah, i really dont have anything serious against awd. its just not my thing.

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friends don't let friends drive awd or cars with 4 banger engines!

Oh crap! Now you have to hate me because my daily driver is AWD with a 4 cylinder! At least it's turbocharged.

My RX-7 isn't going to make it either since you someone else doesn't like V engines. Maybe I should put a slant 6 back in my Dart. It's rear drive, only has 2 doors and with that sweet 145hp (SAE gross) 225ci mill it would own all!

Oh crap! Now you have to hate me because my daily driver is AWD with a 4 cylinder! At least it's turbocharged.


i only hate on cars, not people!

what kind of car is it? i always wanted a late 90s impreza 2.5RS. yeah, i'm just full of contradictions. :rasta:

turbos are for cars that cant make HP on motor.

and they do a great job !

theres an awd g35. i think that fits your bill.

i don't like the fx35... a sports car SUV? in other words, its neither functional as a sports car OR a SUV. fails on both counts!

nah, i really dont have anything serious against awd. its just not my thing.

FX45 is badass though. :)

AWD G35 (G35x) doesn't come in a manual and its sedan only. :(

if you want four wheel drive, and you want an SUV *barf* why not just step up to the plate and get an excursion with a diesel in it?

You know the little man wants one to make it feel bigger.

if you want four wheel drive, and you want an SUV *barf* why not just step up to the plate and get an excursion with a diesel in it?

You know the little man wants one to make it feel bigger.

Mmmmm...Excursion :D

Gotta love getting 10 MPG

damn Cavvy to Excursion... quite a jump there.

damn Cavvy to Excursion... quite a jump there.

Ha, i'd never buy an SUV. I actually enjoy getting 28/35 MPG.

Ha, i'd never buy an SUV. I actually enjoy getting 28/35 MPG.

Yea, plus the bling of the chevy cavalier.

Yea, plus the bling of the chevy cavalier.

Bling? ha, you have no idea...

120 HP OHV 2.2L 4 Cylinder, ABS, Spartan Interior w/lots of plastic, A/C, Heat, and power locks :)

What can I say? It's my daily driver. Meant to go from School to work to home. Don't have much time for anything else these days

Gotta love getting 10 MPG
actually, the powerstroke gets a good bit more then 10mpg.

Its the Triton V-10 (which is what I have in my pickup :( ) that gets the ship MPG. yet I'm still getting 13-14 MPG pushing the thing hard.

It just sucks that the governer kicks in ~ 97mph. it kicks ass doing 90+ in a jacked up F-250 :D

120 HP OHV 2.2L 4 Cylinder, ABS, Spartan Interior w/lots of plastic, A/C, Heat, and power locks :)
I have a friend thats trying to make his Cavalier into a show car.

























no, seriously :roll:

FX45 is badass though. :)

AWD G35 (G35x) doesn't come in a manual and its sedan only. :(
japanese hot rod :drooling:

actually, the powerstroke gets a good bit more then 10mpg.

Its the Triton V-10 (which is what I have in my pickup :( ) that gets the ship MPG. yet I'm still getting 13-14 MPG pushing the thing hard.

It just sucks that the governer kicks in ~ 97mph. it kicks ass doing 90+ in a jacked up F-250 :D


Just get a Hypertech...I installed one on my 3/4 Chevy 6.0 and it raised the top speed to about 124....I will tell you doing 90 on the freeway in a lifted truck pulling a car hauler and passing everything in sight gets people a little worried!!

friends PSD averages 15.5mpg . '99 4-door 4wd offroad pkg.

Bling? ha, you have no idea...

120 HP OHV 2.2L 4 Cylinder, ABS, Spartan Interior w/lots of plastic, A/C, Heat, and power locks :)

What can I say? It's my daily driver. Meant to go from School to work to home. Don't have much time for anything else these days

Right now, I'm working in stages for the Cavy. As for the first stage, that'll be my A/V/security, then the kit, then wheels 18" or 19". My mom found the car, and I didn't have to come out of pocket .

The plan is for me to have one of the nicest cars in the burg. It may not be the fastest, but surely I want a head turner I can take to shows. So that's the plan. I have a long way to go, but plenty of time.

Also the thread where his named changed... Pretty historic moment in The Forum Lounge history (j/k)
http://www.theforumlounge.com/t2795-no-more-prelude---should-i-still-be-ludepower--hl-nicest+spartanburg.html

LOL, how many street driven 4 bangers out there are producing more torque than my boosted sbf?
the real question is

how many street driven 4 bangers have broken down as much as your boosted sbf


and if your boosted please tell me you put chevy piston rods in

the real question is

how many street driven 4 bangers have broken down as much as your boosted sbf


and if your boosted please tell me you put chevy piston rods in

Piston rods? Piston rods!?

You know what. If you can show me a picture of an internal combustion engine with a piston rod I'll Pay Pal you a dollar. You can win this bet if you're not as ignorant as your post makes you appear.

http://www.jensensteamengines.com/images/engine4.gif

#7 is the piston rod, #10 is the connecting rod

Ha, i'd never buy an SUV. I actually enjoy getting 28/35 MPG.



What's the matter?

Can't afford gas?

the real question is

how many street driven 4 bangers have broken down as much as your boosted sbf


and if your boosted please tell me you put chevy piston rods in

Are you having a crack attack?

What's the matter?

Can't afford gas?
oh snap. :rofl:

chevy rods are more for NA engine from what ive seen achieve zero deck. maybe you are taking about different "piston rods".

chevy rods are more for NA engine from what ive seen achieve zero deck. maybe you are taking about different "piston rods".

Ford and Chevy engines don't use piston rods, they don't have to. They have connecting rods. To use a piston rod you need a crosshead to take the side loads imposed by the connecting rod.

Maybe you know more about engines than GSL-T2, maybe not. In any case you're missing the point. Now go find me an internal combustion engine that uses piston rods.