This helped me a lot for it cleared many o' things. And who knows, I might lean towards being a....:bigthumb:

http://www.400monkeys.com/God/

Happy birthday bud.

thank you :)

Fucking nice. I disagree, of course, but very nice nonetheless.

the yzf version of the site

"does god exist ?"

"you better believe it !!!
or else."

:bowdown: :screwyou:

Brilliant:bigthumb:

<Buzzer sound>
Incorrect.
I dont know God. All I heard are third party writters who explained that god is a real asshat. I am ready for God thou. If he comes to my house, I'll sucker punch him to protect my family. Dont want him to turn us into pillars of salt. Or flood the house and make mold, even.

Romans 1

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools...

"Faith" is conspicuous by its absence in the above.

if god IS inherently knowable through his works, then no faith is required to know him.

if god IS inherently knowable through his works, and it takes an act of will to falsy deny his Truth WITHOUT being gifted by the holy spirit with the ability to see the Truth, what need is there FOR the gift of the holy spirit ?

Yer waisting your precious time, friend. There is not a God. And I'm sorry you went through all this studying that made you think like an RL idiot. That is my discernment.

To a point, I agree with the Y this time. This is most certainly a god. It's just not a conventional one.

you can know about God, in a general sense, via the witness of creation...but you cannot know what God demands from humanity, and His plan for salvation, unless it is revealed through His Word


we cannot know that god plans to throw us into an eternal lake of fire, until he DOES it, unless it is revealed through His Word, by him.

so the knowlege that there is a knowable underlying structure to reality has nothing whatsoever to do with the reason for the existance of the structure.

which reason is a secret, revealed only to a chosen FEW who will escape eternity in the lake of fire through no special acuteness on their part but the arbitrary whim of the one who hides the lake of fire from ONLY those who he will imprison in it for all eternity.


the Holy Spirit is the means by which why are sealed for redemption, sanctification, and glorification....everyone else is lost, and they cannot believe the gospel because God has not chosen them


:bowdown: :screwyou:

And everyone is yet to see evidence that this is the 'unchanging word of god.'

I'm YET to see an original document from the Tora or the New Testament. They do not exist.
Why?
Destroyed by the churches that represent them.

everyone has access to the same unchanging Word of God

heh, in the middle ages when the [satanic] catholic church ruled did EVERYONE have access to the same unchanging word that you use today ?

sadly....most go through life completely ignoring it, because they are blinded

blinded by god because he decided to NOT share his word with them.

they are not numbered among the chosen few who are NOT blinded by god.

Originally Posted by yzf-r1
everyone has access to the same unchanging Word of God

By your own words, I disagree....

Everyone in this world can walk into a bookstore and read a book, right? Everyone HAS ACCESS, right? Well, the blind man cannot. He cannot walk into that store and read any book he wants.

In the same manner, according to you, "the blind cannot see".....you need to realize that "having access" has two parts...

1--physically being able to get your hands on the book
2--being given the actual ability to read and understand it

more accurately, destroyed by the Roman catholic system....and other enemies of God


What a conflicting statement that is YZFife....
It’s the catholic church the put together the current cannon and decided on which books are in the new testament.

So Gods so called 'enemy' is the one responsible for the current cannon that you covet so much....

Oh and BTW, crap like that and what you said about Mormons is a road for getting banned. Read the forum rules if in doubt.

4) All Religions (or lack of Religion) will be treated with RESPECT. No slander, no stereotypes, etc. By this, I mean no posting things like "All Muslims are terrorists destined for hell", that type of thing. If you're in doubt, don't post it. Run it by a mod if you need to.

BTW I'm just as guilty about breaking the rules......

refer to the "greatsite" link I posted...one of the better summaries I've read


heh.

http://www.greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-history/pre-reformation.html

for the most part,
Biblical scholars believe
almost certainly
is generally considered
though there is some scholarly evidence to indicate
By approximately
They date back to approximately
stating that he did not know whether or not
part of virtually every Bible
though debate continued
No real justification was ever given
Tradition tells us
It is also believed … though the Bible is silent


the secret society

so that the corrupt church would be exposed and the message of salvation in Christ alone, by scripture alone, through faith alone


did I say -heh- already ?

:bowdown: :screwyou:

so typical of every post you make....

whats typical is that I brought up a good point and you tried unsuccessfully to mock it. The point still stands and is quite valid--one must have both the OPPORTUNITY and the ABILITY to gain access. You yourself go on ad nauseum about how "only a few find the path".....and how "those that find it are chosen by God....", so that being the case, why are you such an ass that you cant even just acknowledge a decent point? If only a few will be granted access to the path, then NO ONE ELSE EXCEPT FOR THOSE CHOSEN FEW HAVE ACCESS TO IT. Why do you have to be an ass about that?? Is it not true???

no, jon, what I mock is your tangential, petty debating skills




And what about your skills debating...
You always attack the person and the the issue...so you divert and discredit before ever even looking at the point. Its almost worthless responding to you because of it. You use stuff like 'typo's' and name calling.

Such insecurity.....go ahead and call me liberal, its stupid that you say that because you have no foundation for it and I am not.

You have yet to really every respond sensible to one of my posts and it is quite moronic that you think that you are clever enough to do so.

You are a waste YZFife....

the secret society

narrow is the way....and only a FEW find it

contrary to the liberals, who claim anyone and everyone is just going to cruise right into the Kingdom after reading "Yor Best Life Now"

so the Word of Christs Sacrifice to bring Salvation to All Mankind was SECRETLY preserved for A THOUSAND YEARS by a secret society hidden on a remote island, that managed nevertheless to get the REAL Word to EVERY SINGLE preselected Chosen One on the planet ?

while the rest of humanity was preserved in damnation by a satanic scripture that spread lies to the ends of the earth, IN GODS NAME !!!


:bowdown: :screwyou:

oooo....I'm not clever enough to match wits with 95liberalhack, huh? I should respond "sensible", just like you!


so that means you're done posting here, like you indicated before? remember, you never make any personal attacks, that's all me :rolleyes:

Man can you not read...no wonder you misrepresent the Bible.
Let me expalin it to you if you can understand.

Your method of debate is to always pesonally attack the person first and to never address the issue, especially if the point makes sense...every one is on to your little game.

Actually its a schoolyard " I know you are..." game. You really need to drop a pair.

And I never said I don't personally attack, the point being that you always do....which only debunks any standing you have.

BTW, you wish I would quite posting here... and I did state why I started to. What, did you forget with what little grey matter you have?

And if I did then you wouldn't have to read the real Truth....not your fairy land, make believe, the earth is flat, the flood made fossils, adding volcanos to the bible, moronic garbage that you spew out. An yes, we can see how you twist the bible in your small sliver of christianity that you live in.

Pathetic exisitance you lead in that aspect.

when respect is shown, it is always reciprocated

I've never attacked ark2, tofuball, bx7, and several others....why? they are reasonable people, not obnoxious hacks

could you be any more full of shit??

What about Brian?? Tell everyone how you turned on him because he merely told the TRUTH about things you said to him?? I wonder why he isnt included in your little list of people there....he was your buddy, a fellow believer, and all of a sudden you termed him ignorant among other things, just because he told the truth about you admitting you had no girlfriend?? You are a modern day Judas at best....You flat out told him you were SINGLE, UNMARRIED, NOT SEEING ANYONE....and the very next day, you suddenly claimed to have all these girlfriends. Come to think of it, for the last couple years, even before and during the time that Brian was telling the TRUTH about you, you were still carrying on this charade about claiming to have a girlfriend--no, wait, it was several girlfriends--um, no wait again, it was then back to one main one....you cant even get your own lies straight!!

Oh, dont even bother with this crap again. I have shown time and again how I posted when I first came here and it was NOTHING but polite to you. YOu were the one that took it upon yourself to be disrespectful....sorry, but like I always tell you, your lies are here for all to see.

I post here because it adds so much fun to my life. It's sort of like teasing the Polar bears at the zoo.