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95whitepep
02-26-2009, 11:09 AM
A game of Scrabble might not have been all that different in Stone Age times.

Using a computer simulation, a British researcher says he's examined the rate of change of words in languages to reveal the oldest English-sounding words, which would have been used by Stone Age humans 20,000 years ago.

Among the Stone Age words that presumably would've sounded then much like they do now in the English language: I, we, two and three.

The study concludes that the frequency with which a word is used relates to how slowly it changes through time, so that the most common words tend to be the oldest ones. While it cannot necessary predict exactly what words were used 20,000 years ago - there's little to go on, since writing was invented only about 5,000 years ago - it makes some interesting guesses.

"We have lists of words that linguists have produced for us that tell us if two words in related languages actually derive from a common ancestral word," said Mark Pagel, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Reading, in a BBC article. "We have descriptions of the ways we think words change and their ability to change into other words, and those descriptions can be turned into a mathematical language."

The ability to speak arose about 300,000 years ago, scientists think, thanks to a pair of anatomical changes that separate humans from other primates: the development of the hyoid bone, which supports the tongue, and a drop in the larynx that made it easier to choke but also easier to speak (in newborn humans, the larynx sits high in the nasal cavity, so babies can drink and breathe at the same time).

The computer program's reasoning, arguably speculative, predicts words that will eventually become extinct too, because they are changing rapidly nowadays: squeeze, guts, stick and bad.

"You type in a date in the past or in the future and it will give you a list of words that would have changed going back in time or will change going into the future," Professor Pagel told BBC News.

Pagel thinks some of the simple words (like the first list above) involve sounds that may have been in use 40,000 years ago.

For the record, the most common five words used in English today, according to "The Reading Teachers Book of Lists": the, of, and, a, to.

95whitepep
02-26-2009, 11:09 AM
I didnt know that about newborns...really cool.

Alex-7
02-26-2009, 01:21 PM
That is pretty cool..

Alex-7
02-26-2009, 02:03 PM
here's a hint, folks: the Bible is right, it's always right....humans have only been on this planet for about 6,000 years


I DISAGREE!

Alex-7
02-26-2009, 02:12 PM
And you wonder why you rub so many people the wrong way. Zero tact.

Alex-7
02-26-2009, 02:29 PM
but your opinion is irrelevant....ultimate truth is not subject to human opinion/conjecture...no one was there, "science" does not apply (and there is zero evidence for human civilization more than about 5,000 years ago, anyhow)

+1 Nobody was there from the get go. To me, that's why explanations in a book written by mortal men don't seem credible as far as stating what went on before humans where around.

there is evidence for some pretty complex civilizations 5k years ago. Seems to me it would have taken longer than a thousand years to get to the point that Sumerians etc. where functioning at around then.....

Alex-7
02-26-2009, 02:32 PM
I don't know how to put it nicely :)

You're probably not allowed to :)

Musn't waver in faith, absolute conviction. That's the name of the christian game right?

Alex-7
02-26-2009, 03:00 PM
Right.

Of course Science speculates about creation. So does the bible in my "irrelevant" opinion.

I can't be convinced that the bible is the word of god, just because it says it is. I can't believe for sure it's telling the truth, and the obligatory "6,000 YEARS" claptrap doesn't seem like enough time to me....:)

The article is just guessing, but it's interesting, and guesses are sometimes correct.

Alex-7
02-26-2009, 03:28 PM
:bigthumb:

95whitepep
02-26-2009, 03:54 PM
"guesses" being the operative term here, which is central to 99% of the evolutionary nonsense drifting around the internet in 2009

here's a hint, folks: the Bible is right, it's always right....humans have only been on this planet for about 6,000 years

The bible never says the earth is 6k years old, it was inferred by man.
That is the interpretation of a bunch of yahoos who then twist everything else around to confirm their wild speculations.

Case closed, you loose.

BTW...off topic!

95whitepep
02-26-2009, 05:06 PM
wrong

the time frame from Adam to Abraham is recorded to the year by the generational records of Genesis, and the time from Abraham to Christ is well documented to be about 2,000 years

Generational records of men do not infer the age of the earth. The two have no coorilation.

The earth was created before Adam, and you know as well as I do about how you are wrong about the translation of Yom.

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