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And the mixt multitude that was among them fell a lusting: and the children of Israel also wept again, and said, Who shall give us flesh to eat?


I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne


Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."

"Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."

The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?

Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

And he dealt to every one of Israel, both man and woman, to every one a loaf of bread, and a good piece of flesh, and a flagon of wine.

His flesh is consumed away, that it cannot be seen; and his bones that were not seen stick out.


My flesh and my heart faileth: but God is the strength of my heart, and my portion for ever.

Yummy?

Jesus! He's the other, other white meat!

Jesus! He's the other, other white meat!
Oh Kevin, that's nothing!
-You should hear what them witches do! :lol:

Oh Kevin, that's nothing!
-You should hear what them witches do! :lol:

Tell me about it. ;) Witches have all the fun.

typical honegod: random snippets out of context, without a point to anything

Random snippets out of context??? Hello, that's the basis for every Christian interpretation of every religion in the fuckin' world.

"eat me" as a term of worship.

I don't know how I missed this thread.

There is some merit to this, despite the fact it's inherently warped.

A lot of "Christians" miss some of the points partially presented here.

completely out of context

didn't you even read the title ?

{harsh, huh ? :D thought I'd give it a whirl, how'd I do, adequatly brutal, with more than a whiff of hurt manly pride ? }

honegod's premise here seems to be that eating meat was somehow sinful

rather, that with minimal effort I wrote a story about ritual murder and cannibalism.

a completely fabricated story of bloody human sacrifice with only bones left for csi to work with.
using nothing but not quite randomly selected bits of Holy Scripture taken completely without regard for their original context.

based on a CONTEXT of bloody human sacrifice, and ritual cannibalism.

y'know, Morals.

christ HAD to really turn his fleshly human body into meat for our table, and you must eat him.

in either context.

:bowdown: :screwyou:

Oh my god! lololololol

I vote for Honegod the genius!

Christ gave us his bread and wine of his own free will

We did not take it from him by force.

Christ gave us his bread and wine of his own free will

yes, jesus knew god, his birth father, wanted him as a bloody human sacrifice and he went with his appointed murderers peacefully.

just like Isaac climbed the mountain to please HIS father.


We did not take it from him by force. :stupid:

the feast sacrifice had to be slaughtered. :blah:

the saving blood had to be spilled. :smacktalk:

The sacrifice cannot cut his own throat :peace: .



I love you Mom. I also love you honegod. :40oz:


I hate Honegod.:stupid:

{added to by both 6 and 12 year olds :bigthumb: }


:bowdown: :screwyou:

I have no clue what you're going on about. o_O

That's the genius of honegod. It usually doesn't make any sense at all but you don't want to look stupid by admitting that you don't get it. So you either go along with it or ignore it.

I have no clue what you're going on about. o_O

sorry, try it WITHOUT the contributions of children wanting to leave for Dairy Queen, now now NOW NOW !!!!!


We did not take it from him by force.


"the feast sacrifice had to be slaughtered.

the saving blood had to be spilled.

The sacrifice cannot cut his own throat "

so WE had to FORCE his flesh to die, since death is the price of sin, and jesus had NOT sinned, death should not been natural for him.


better ? :D

About the wine thing. . . water to wine.
I was literally punched in the eye a couple of years ago when I mentioned to a zealot Christian that Jesus practiced alchemy. . . . .

better ? :D

No.



O_o

sorry, try it WITHOUT the contributions of children wanting to leave for Dairy Queen, now now NOW NOW !!!!!


We did not take it from him by force.


"the feast sacrifice had to be slaughtered.

the saving blood had to be spilled.

The sacrifice cannot cut his own throat "

so WE had to FORCE his flesh to die, since death is the price of sin, and jesus had NOT sinned, death should not been natural for him.


better ? :D

no, not better at all....

death is the price for sin--ETERNAL death, not death from this earth. ALL will die in this life--wher eyou spend eternity is the question.

When you think of death strictly from an earthly point of view, it is not possible to understand a book which is entirely based upon the concept of an eternal life after you leave this rock. That is the difference between your position and theirs.

Jesus died HERE, but He beat death when he rose from it on the third day. So, you see, death was not natural to Him because true death was not experienced by Him. There is your answer. Merry Christmas.

Remember the Amish Mennonite kids that were killed this year? Remember that freak woman, who on the news, called herself a xtain and praised the murder, where as it was god's will, for those people were found worshiping God wrongly? "God holds the breath of all living things, does he not?"

How far is she from YZF's thinking? Frightening isn't it? How people, who we think should show compassion, yet refuse to tell a lie for the fear of Hell?

So Honegod is explaining how people take snippets out of the bible to fashion how they want to live and serve god. AND there are Trillions of ways and NO ONE is the same (Yes, there are collections of so-called 'like minds')! AND they must go out of context for no one will ever know the author or interpreter's true intent; for they either dumbly left out important details or intentionally left out important details! AND anything that sway from their new belief system will be ignored from that same person; yes, from themselves, from other xtains and alternative beliefs. Which happens here a lot. Dont think we non believers dont notice.

Remember the Amish Mennonite kids that were killed this year? Remember that freak woman, who on the news, called herself a xtain and praised the murder, where as it was god's will, for those people were found worshiping God wrongly? "God holds the breath of all living things, does he not?"

How far is she from YZF's thinking? Frightening isn't it? How people, who we think should show compassion, yet refuse to tell a lie for the fear of Hell?

So Honegod is explaining how people take snippets out of the bible to fashion how they want to live and serve god. AND there are Trillions of ways and NO ONE is the same (Yes, there are collections of so-called 'like minds')! AND they must go out of context for no one will ever know the author or interpreter's true intent; for they either dumbly left out important details or intentionally left out important details! AND anything that sway from their new belief system will be ignored from that same person; yes, from themselves, from other xtains and alternative beliefs. Which happens here a lot. Dont think we non believers dont notice.

not a word of what you just said has anything to do with the fact that honegod was mixing up earthly death with spiritual death. The lady you spoke of, well, just because she calls herself a christian that doesnt mean she actually was one. Last time I heard, something like 85% of all Americans call themselves Christians, but look at the things that people do every day!

I agree with you that so many groups take the Word and twist it for their purposes. I agree that it happens in here all the time. But I dont agree that EVERYONE takes it out of context--it IS possible to read the Bible word for word and understand the intent that way, without taking a snippet here and there out of context for earthly purposes. I am certain that the number of people who dont twist it is awfully small, but I am just as certain that some people dont do it. As for the "original author" that has no bearing, because you are once again referring to faith. If I wrote something on a piece of paper, and gave it to 1000 people to read, chances are pretty good that at least a few people would get the correct context as I intended, even if it was just a guess, so you are really reaching there. Much of the Bible, if read honestly, cannot be taken more than a couple different ways. Other parts are more confusing to many, or more open to interpretation. Nonetheless, you cannot know what is 100% right, as intended by the original author today, this is where faith comes in.

One thought also--why is it that the same people in here always want to talk about a faith without mentioning FAITH?? If everything was proveable in this life, then there would be no faith. You leave out the most important part of the issue, and that is why the same people will never understand the issue.

no, not better at all....

death is the price for sin--ETERNAL death, not death from this earth. ALL will die in this life--wher eyou spend eternity is the question.

When you think of death strictly from an earthly point of view, it is not possible to understand a book which is entirely based upon the concept of an eternal life after you leave this rock. That is the difference between your position and theirs.

Jesus died HERE, but He beat death when he rose from it on the third day. So, you see, death was not natural to Him because true death was not experienced by Him. There is your answer. Merry Christmas.

so there are 3 different types of death ?

1 - fleshly death, where we don't really die so it doesn't count

2- the second death, spiritual death, where we don't actually die either

3 - eternal death, the price for sin, where we again don't actually die

so apparantly death means something other than dying, not Game Over, just a change in playing field.

cannibalism however is a gift that just keeps giving.

honegod, with all respect, I will say the same thing here that I always say in such a situation. You cannot understand the Word unless you make a practice of reading the Word, and not just reading it--reading it with the intention of understanding it. Picking a verse out here and there does not mean you understand the Word. My best advice to you is that, if you realy want to understand what this is all about, go to the source itself. This advice would apply to anything in life--if you want to learn how to change a carberator on your car, you would go to the source, you would not ask someone who has some knowledge of it and expect to come away with the complete picture. Not one person will know the Word better than the Word itself can teach you. Go to the source.

As for death, the concept that many people think of is actually a lot kinder than eternal residence in the lake of fire....

Without taking out of context, a few homosapien communicated in the Bible that God's actions destroyed Homosapiens regardless of age/because of their actions/because of their faith.

Today, a female homosapien, whom called herself a xtain, communicated that iaw the bible, the reason murder happened to the amish is because it is God's will to destroy Homosapiens regardless of age/because of their actions/because of their faith.

She is correct. She is a xtain.

now...
Without taking out of context, a different group of homosapiens communicated in the Bible that, because of jesus, God action is merciful, loving.

A stark contrast from the God of old whom the xtain lady pointed out exsit still today. To merge OT and NT together requires taking things out of context as was brought into view from her testament.

And so, at least two important paths have been laid out for you. God's way, spoken from father of Isaac or Jesus's way, spoken from his Apostles. Both require faith. Both require strict regiment actions for the path is so fucking narrow, my asshole will dwarf it. Only one path leads to heaven. Even on that path does not guarantee your place in heaven.

2 Peter 3

...consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

...and yet they themselves had trobles inside their own churches. A testament of what was concerning, iaw Peter's letter, written during 'THIER' time. Under their watch. Deciding the correct path was never clear even during the 'ground zero' period. And still no words from the other Apostles, whom never author material for us to learn about, only to aid even more to the mystery. Or was it intentionly left out? Or was it NOT worth their time to write about their experience with jesus?

untaught


secret Truth.

:bowdown: :screwyou:

Failed.
Honegod's 'secret truth' still applies and your blanket reply failed to unlock the secret.

You just weren't ready today.

very well. I ran you over with a M1A1 tank. good bye.

welcome back and thank you.

merry christmas

no, YOU fail....by every possible definition

I need to put you on iognore, I've about had enough of your mindless babbling

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I need to put you on iognore

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I need to put you on iognore

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I need to put you on iognore

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:bigthumb:

ant paths have been laid out for you. God's way, spoken from father of Isaac or Jesus's way, spoken from his Apostles. Both require faith. Both require strict regiment actions for the path is so fucking narrow, my asshole will dwarf it. Only one path leads to heaven. Even on that path does not guarantee your place in heaven.

The point is to illustrate that you CANNOT stay on that path. It's not possible.

honegod, with all respect, I will say the same thing here that I always say in such a situation. You cannot understand the Word unless you make a practice of reading the Word, and not just reading it--reading it with the intention of understanding it. Picking a verse out here and there does not mean you understand the Word. My best advice to you is that, if you realy want to understand what this is all about, go to the source itself. This advice would apply to anything in life--if you want to learn how to change a carberator on your car, you would go to the source, you would not ask someone who has some knowledge of it and expect to come away with the complete picture. Not one person will know the Word better than the Word itself can teach you. Go to the source.

As for death, the concept that many people think of is actually a lot kinder than eternal residence in the lake of fire....

This is a good post.

it's a question of veiled hearts

yup, hearts deliberatly and callously blinded, with malice aforethought by god.

hidden Truth.

But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance

Moses, who put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look

at the Truth, the REAL gospel streight from, a prophet.

when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

taken away by the one who originally MADE it, and PUT it there.

note that even for the pre chosen forgiven the vail is INSTALLED by god, so that he can gloriously and impressivly REMOVE it, to the clamoring thanks of the fortunate few.

so much for the automatic 'salvation' of infants.

that little moslem baby in bagdad has to " when one turns to the Lord" in acceptance of the gift OF THE KNOWLEGE OF GOOD and so, by elimination, evil.

sinners, the cursed, have no choice, good is NOT an option.

what is good is hidden, leaving only satan for the cursed to look to for good.

satan, who HAS the powers of god at his disposal to POSE as god and make sure the cursed don't even ACCIDENTLY stumble across the Truth.


the Truth, god made blindfolds for humanity to wear so he could punish us for falling into the pit he surrounded us with after telling us it was ok to walk ahead, blindfolds for His Glory.

Buddy Jesus with a 'bloods' gang bandanna tied across his eyes. /image


:bowdown: :screwyou:

The point is to illustrate that you CANNOT stay on that path. It's not possible.

exactly in line with what I just posted. :bigthumb:

Oh no

God didn't make the blindfolds so that we would fall into a pit, then he could punish us.

He made them because we were going to fall into the pit anyway, of our own will.

The blindfold is so that after we fall into the pit, the Lord shall reveal that we are in a pit, and we might repent and say "But, Lord, we did not see! Forgive us!" and we shall learn and know to not tread the paths of evil. The Lord shall then forgive, as He has promised.

And He shall be a lamp unto my feet

Oh no

God didn't make the blindfolds so that we would fall into a pit, then he could punish us.

He made them because we were going to fall into the pit anyway, of our own will.

The blindfold is so that after we fall into the pit, the Lord shall reveal that we are in a pit, and we might repent and say "But, Lord, we did not see! Forgive us!" and we shall learn and know to not tread the paths of evil. The Lord shall then forgive, as He has promised.

And He shall be a lamp unto my feet

Ok I'll buy it. So how do they get out since they are still blindfolded with no direction?

Oh no

God didn't make the blindfolds so that we would fall into a pit, then he could punish us.

He made them because we were going to fall into the pit anyway, of our own will.

The blindfold is so that after we fall into the pit, the Lord shall reveal that we are in a pit, and we might repent and say "But, Lord, we did not see! Forgive us!" and we shall learn and know to not tread the paths of evil. The Lord shall then forgive, as He has promised.

And He shall be a lamp unto my feet

you are looking at just the folks who are chosen to get the blindfold removed.

if EVERYBODY ELSE didn't have a blindfold and so ACTUALLY CHOSE the pit then the blindfold trick might be justifiable as a prank.

but since EVERYBODY is blinded then nobody actually GETS to choose the pit. {moat}


every man is an Island, surrounded by a sea of damnation.

with satan telling him, in Gods voice*, that the water's fine.



*what is the koran but satan creating a false god ?

Ok I'll buy it. So how do they get out since they are still blindfolded with no direction?

Ah, but there is direction, and light!


you are looking at just the folks who are chosen to get the blindfold removed.

Nope. We've all got the blindfold on. It's the human condition.

if EVERYBODY ELSE didn't have a blindfold and so ACTUALLY CHOSE the pit then the blindfold trick might be justifiable as a prank.

but since EVERYBODY is blinded then nobody actually GETS to choose the pit. {moat}

Thats the whole point. We humans, thanks to the blindfold, can fall into the pit and only be punished for not listening to direction. Satan CHOSE the pit knowing full well what it meant, his eyes and thoughts unhindered.

He wanted to put his throne above the throne of God. He wanted to rule earth and declare himself God. So God cast him out of heaven for his sin, for God is a Holy God, and cannot be near to sin without destroying it. So God turns away from Satan and the corrupted flesh of men, so that they may continue, for a time.

God, who is love, gave Satan exactly what he wanted, and Satan is known as the prince of this world.

But The Lord did not leave man without a way back to the peace of God. He allowed blood sacrifice to cover sins for a time, promising to one day send the perfect sacrifice. Then on the foretold day, gave his only son as a sacrifice to cover the sins of EVERYONE, for ALL have sinned. It is a FREE gift from God, and not because of good works (lest any man boast)! For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God has prepared in advance for us, for HIS glory.

Because of this blindfold, even you, honegod, can still turn to God and be washed clean in the blood of Christ.

Ah, but there is direction, and light!

Because of this blindfold, even you, honegod, can still turn to God and be washed clean in the blood of Christ.

nope, I am like a kitten with her first collar, scratching and writhing to get the blindfold off so I CAN see the light, but there is no possible way for me to unstrap the thing from my head, it MUST be removed by the one who put it on me.

the point of jesus bloody murder SHOULD have been to remove ALL blindfolds, given a clear view of Truth to everybody, so that going to hell WOULD be something we had to DO.

as it is all jesus did was expand the base of who GOD would choose to take the blindfold from, from jews only to greeks and every other race.

so yes, it IS wonderful that it only took a bloody death for god to loosen his grip on a few non jews who would otherwise be tossed into the pit of fire with the rest of us cursed.


jesus is only the light to those god allows to see .


I am thinking polerised sunglasses, totally clear except for being totally black where jesus Truth is concerned.

so we are able to see everything that satan has set up for us, and nothing whatsoever of god, or the exclusive sacrifice of jesus.


:bowdown: :screwyou:

You saw the light

You tasted it

You're not scratching the blindfold off, You're pressing it firmly in place and plugging your ears, too, all the while claiming you're trying to take it off, and free others of the same!

You saw the light

You tasted it

You're not scratching the blindfold off, You're pressing it firmly in place and plugging your ears, too, all the while claiming you're trying to take it off, and free others of the same!


how, through a blindfold that NO possible effort of mine can budge in the slightest ?

notice that as a rule folks with blindfolds on tend to see what I am talking about, while y'all freed-from-the-Curse types do NOT.

you KNOW that bloody human sacrifice is a wonderful thing and are thrilled that you are allowed to participate in spreading the holy innocent blood around.

let's hear that again

a complete waste of your time

there is stony ground, and then there is PAVEMENT

you have never seen a shoot growing through concrete ? ;)

no your seed has to be cast fresh, it cannot have already been there when the blinding pavement was laid on top of it for the benefit of others.

for his sin, for God is a Holy God, and cannot be near to sin without destroying it. So God turns away from Satan and the corrupted flesh of men, so that they may continue, for a time.


The above from tofu is the most sensible pro-god explaination I have ever understood.

Regarding DNA structures, are we 'hard coded' to seek god?

Regarding DNA structures, are we 'hard coded' to seek god?

I believe we are!

But I have nothing to back that up with right now, other then speculation :P

Originally Posted by Tofuball
for his sin, for God is a Holy God, and cannot be near to sin without destroying it. So God turns away from Satan and the corrupted flesh of men, so that they may continue, for a time.

If that is so, then how did God create sin? If God cannot be anywhere near sin without destroying it, how was sin created? He is the creator of all things, which includes sin....

for his sin, for God is a Holy God, and cannot be near to sin without destroying it. So God turns away from Satan and the corrupted flesh of men, so that they may continue, for a time.


I suspect that this is a non-biblical speculation on your part?

and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it.

The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it.

what glory can mere humans create for any nation ?

saddead hussain was a king by any definition, is he headed for the golden streets ?

is there an abundance of nations populated entirely with chosen forgiven so that the nations are governed entirely from gods will ?

{ other than iraq, ;) }

is god going to forgive NATIONS of people as his chosen few ?

as in you are so gosh darned faithful that god will forgive me too just because I live in the same nation as your wonderful selflessness ?

or did that only work once ?

god COULD forgive and let us all go with a nice handbook, GoogleGod, on how reality REALLY works.

instead he is stoking up the fires of the pit for after he suprises us by pulling off the blindfolds and shows us his own version of The Matrix, where Neo uses his superpowers to slaughter humanity so that they {almost all of humanity} wake up in Hell.

pretty much accurate...God cannot look upon sin, it must be judged, or covered

eventually sin will be eliminated entirely

Revelation 21

I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Then how is it that God came to create sin? How is it that glory is derived from sin? Saying that impurities will not pass through the gates of Heaven is one thing, while saying that He cannot be near sin is another.

God is the source, to which all things must be credited.

Then how is it that God came to create sin? How is it that glory is derived from sin? Saying that impurities will not pass through the gates of Heaven is one thing, while saying that He cannot be near sin is another.

God is the source, to which all things must be credited.


He allowed us free will, and thus giving us a choice between him . . . and something else, there must be something else.

Thus my belief that darkness is the absence of light, sin the choice away from God.

ultimately, yes....but do you think God is evil?

Evil?

Evil seems to be a purely human aberration, therefore God cannot be subject to it. Then again, I think you have to accept that there is some serious grey area here.

He allowed us free will, and thus giving us a choice between him . . . and something else, there must be something else.

Thus my belief that darkness is the absence of light, sin the choice away from God.

Ah, free will, the staple of God’s morality. If such a thing existed you might have a point here.

You’re world hinges on free will, while mine has had to adjust without it.

Evil?

Evil seems to be a purely human aberration, therefore God cannot be subject to it.

since god can instigate human sacrifice and ritual cannibalism, for his glory, either humans made it up from our evil, or god is evil, for inflicting it on us.

since god can instigate human sacrifice and ritual cannibalism, for his glory, either humans made it up from our evil, or god is evil, for inflicting it on us.

Hence the grey area. Or is it gray?