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saw it on 7club. very sad... :(

Sucks, he was straight gangsta.

He was a liberal idiot. One less liberal with a wide audience that listens.

who was he?

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He was a liberal idiot. One less liberal with a wide audience that listens.
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He was a liberal idiot. One less liberal with a wide audience that listens.
I hope Bill O'Reilly and Joe Scarboro is next.

o reilly is a douche bag

What's wrong with O'Reilly and Joe?

If anything u should have more bone to pick with Hannity.

He was a liberal idiot. One less liberal with a wide audience that listens.

Yeah, because dissenting opinions are the LAST thing you want in a fucking democracy. :rolleyes:

You're such a fucking hypocrite it aint even funny.

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What's wrong with O'Reilly and Joe?

If anything u should have more bone to pick with Hannity.


Oh yeah, Hannity's a douche bag too. O'Reilly is just such a smug cocksucker;he don't even let his guests speak. And Joe, well, he can live;I guess;)

Yeah, because dissenting opinions are the LAST thing you want in a fucking democracy. :rolleyes:

You're such a fucking hypocrite it aint even funny.
Sorry Moses......you got it backwards

The libs have had a tight grip on this country for years. Only recently have the Conservatives been able to gain any ground. The libs had both the houses for 40 damn years straight. Libs have controll of almost all the colleges. The libs had the media totally locked up until "RUSH" in the mid 90s broke through on the forgotten AM Dial. And only since the Election in 2000 with the Florida debacle did Fox news really get big.

Now, "Who" is the voice of Dissent?????

Jesus, you're all fucking wrong.

Jennings was a very good anchor because he was, if anything, a moderate. Remember: the news is only as liberal as the corporation that funds it.

Some interesting things that would have been much bigger stories if liberals were in charge: Iran-Contra, the hypocracy of trading with China while we villify Cuba, and why is it that the Big Three, icons of American industry, are sending all their jobs to Mexico?

Noam Chomsky would be a regular panelist, instead of a little known professor at MIT.

Neither the Democrats or the Republicans would be in power. To think that there is any sort of contrast between silver-spoon corporate whores shows a lack of education and comprehension. Not to mention that the corporate lobby structure would be torn down, capital punishment would be banned outright, and a flat tax system would have been adopted. Note that the deficit would not have changed, because all politicians are fiscal idiots. We need an accountant to run for president.

As a liberal I can tell you that the news does not represent myself. The T.V. news is geared for the same audience that reads the Wallstreet Journal: white, upper to middle class, urban professionals. Who may not be as conservative as Rush, whom I acknowledge as a propaganda genius for convincing people that there is a liberal agenda controlling the country, but are no more liberal than John McCain.

Jennings is more moderate (though he seem to hang a little to the left) than most other anchors.

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Jennings is more moderate (though he seem to hang a little to the left) than most other anchors.



Just like my cock!

Jesus, you're all fucking wrong.
Jennings was a very good anchor because he was, if anything, a moderate. Remember: the news is only as liberal as the corporation that funds it
And Jennings was the Anchor or the "leader" of the news department. He was a good little liberal from CANADA. I am not as hard on Jennings as BABA WAWA but he was left

"Most of the time I really think responsible journalists, of which I hope I'm counted as one, leave our bias at the side of the table. Now it is true, historically in the media, it has been more of a liberal persuasion for many years. It has taken us a long time, too long in my view, to have vigorous conservative voices heard as widely in the media as they now are. And so I think yes, on occasion, there is a liberal instinct in the media which we need to keep our eye on, if you will."
-- ABC anchor Peter Jennings appearing on CNN's Larry King Live, April 10, 2002

"I think there is a mainstream media. CNN is mainstream media, and the main, ABC, CBS, NBC are mainstream media. And I think it’s just essentially to make the point that we are largely in the center without particular axes to grind, without ideologies which are represented in our daily coverage, at least certainly not on purpose." — ABC’s Peter Jennings, CNN’s Larry King Live, May 15, 2001.

"I'd bet that if you hooked Dan and Tom and Peter up to a lie detector and asked them if there's a liberal bias on their newscasts, they'd all say ‘no’ and they'd all pass the test....That leaves one other possibility. Messrs. Rather, Brokaw and Jennings don't even know what liberal bias is. I concede this is hard to believe, but I'm convinced it's why we keep getting these ridiculous denials....The problem is that Mr. Rather and the other evening stars think that liberal bias means just one thing: going hard on Republicans and easy on Democrats. But real media bias comes not so much from what party they attack. Liberal bias is the result of how they see the world.... And it is this inability to see liberal views as liberal that is at the heart of the entire problem. This is why Phyllis Schlafly is the conservative woman who heads that conservative organization but Patricia Ireland is merely the head of NOW. No liberal labels necessary. Robert Bork is the conservative judge. Laurence Tribe is the noted Harvard law professor.... Conservatives must be identified because the audience needs to know these are people with axes to grind. But liberals don't need to be identified because their views on all the big social issues -- from abortion and gun control to the death penalty and affirmative action -- aren't liberal views at all. They're simply reasonable views, shared by all the reasonable people the media elites mingle with at all their reasonable dinner parties in Manhattan and Georgetown...." — Former CBS News correspondent Bernard Goldberg, Wall Street Journal op-ed, "On Media Bias, Network Stars Are Rather Clueless," May 24, 2001.

Some interesting things that would have been much bigger stories if liberals were in charge: Iran-Contra, the hypocracy of trading with China while we villify Cuba, and why is it that the Big Three, icons of American industry, are sending all their jobs to Mexico? .
The Iran Contra thing was BLOWN WAY out of porportion. I am not sure if you were alive or old enough to remember but It got almost 24 hour coverage on TV. Oliver North became a household name becuase he was sitting on front of the ameraican public for two weeks and told the Dems in congress to fuck off......not that the liberal media picked up on that aspect....it was more of a groundswell of support for Colonal North. The Media wante him roasted at the stake therefore covered the even 24/7 and got in return mud in it;s eye. Don't try revising History......I'll set you straight.

Hypocrucy of trading with China??? Who was that guy that was giving all our secrets away......let me see....Oh yea!!! Clinton!!!! That guy was selling classified info as fast as you could say "kick back" Who reported that one???? The media as we knew it back then??? I say no.....it was all hush hush. yet you and your family are more in danger today from those secrets being handed to your communist comrades.

Villifying Cuba???? poor innocent Cuba?? Do you mean the same Cuba that had solviet nuclear missles just 90 miles from our cost or is there some other Cuba?? We put sanctions on Fidel years ago..........actually, your Chameleot King Kennedy placed santions on Cuba and the Democratic congress have left them there for longer than I have been alive. You think we should clean house like we did in Iran??? Go in "fix" good ole Cuba, or just let Fidel die and start fresh with a new government afterwards. Tell me, which would you choose??
One last thing on Cuba, These days since Gorbechev knocked down the wall with Paristryka life is much better. Back then when innocent Fidel had Nukes aimed at US....it was scarry. As a child that had to go throught the Nuclear attack drills in school I can tell you....it was scary. Talk of building a bomb shelter occured on the playground daily. I have people like your Fidel to thank for that.
Don't try to revise that History either!

Noam Chomsky would be a regular panelist, instead of a little known professor at MIT. .
NORM Chomsky is about as left as it gets. You put a equivelent right winger on braodcast TV as much as your little known Prof gets on there and we'll call it even.

Neither the Democrats or the Republicans would be in power. To think that there is any sort of contrast between silver-spoon corporate whores shows a lack of education and comprehension. .
Spoken like an elitest Lefty Liberal. It's amazing how such a stupid socitey gets out of bed everyday. You have it all worked out, don't ya. The Russians had Marxism.....oh so close. Had they just tweaked it here and there, they would have proven the US way of Democracy as it is....archaic!

Not to mention that the corporate lobby structure would be torn down, capital punishment would be banned outright, and a flat tax system would have been adopted. .
Good Let's get Rid of George Sorros once and for all. Yes let all the criminals back out, they just need undersatnding as to why they kill and kill and kill. Republicans have a new tax system on the table right now.....let's see How you liberals block it.

Note that the deficit would not have changed, because all politicians are fiscal idiots. We need an accountant to run for president..Yea a Pointy headed accountant to sit and count Beans while saddam comes and rapes your Mother. That's what we need.

The Deficit ebbs and tides from President to President. Your libs stop all military spending and grab all the cash for their back pocket and the REpublicans have to follow up by DOUBLING the spending just patch up the infrastructure of the US. Personally, I choose to spend the money....at least working US citezens wind up with a slice of the pie. Libs just wind up putting it in thier pocket.

As a liberal I can tell you that the news does not represent myself. .No, they tried to start a lefty network just this year. The news last week was how nobody gave a shit. The Network is folding without so much as a whimper. The most watched Liberal on TV is Alan Combs that sit opposit of Hannity. No TV is not as liberal as you would like.........go figure, I guess all those STUPID AmeriKans don't know what is good for them.

The T.V. news is geared for the same audience that reads the Wallstreet Journal: .Exscuse me?? The Journal is and always has been a more conservative newspaper geared towards finaincial news. Braodcast TV news is not in any shape the same.

white, upper to middle class, urban professionals. Who may not be as conservative as Rush, whom I acknowledge as a propaganda genius for convincing people that there is a liberal agenda controlling the country, but are no more liberal than John McCain.NNNNOOOOOOooooooo Sorry again, Rush just pointed out what the rest of America was thinking. It is so funny how you try to discount anything Conservative. Propaganda, stupidity, idiots...the list goes on and on. Not one, NOT ONE liberal can even get a small percentage of what Rush has accomplished. And to Boot the 2nd most listened to radio program is Sean Hannity. Not that you liberals haven't tried to get some of that market....again the network just announced that it is quitting last week. Al Gore is trying some new Internet network....I'll give it 3 months!!!

You know, you think that being a Liberal means you "different" and "cool" cause you don't wanna be like your Daddy or Mommy.......so to break away from mommies teeter you jump up and claim "I'm my own man!!!" and I am "different" Well you wise old Dad happens to hold too many conservative views for you.......so to be different you jump on board with Genene Garafolo and that Dumbass Al Franken ( a failed comedian, never went anywhere after Davis gave him the boot......Remember "Franken and Davis"????) Anybody can jump up and say BAD BAD BAD!!! Yes So bad that I don't want to play anymore........................................... ..... And that my freind gives you an excuse for your failed, pitiful existance.

I wonder if Bicylcists are left or right.......

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Bicyclists are moderate. If only because hippies ride bicycles, and rich people ride bicycles.

jhammons, you are exactly the kind of idiot this world doesn't need. You jump to an awful lot of conclusions based on very little information. My grandfather is a liberal, my father is dead so I have no idea what he'd be.

Iran-Contra might have gotten 24 hour coverage, but it certainly wasn't liberal coverage or Reagan would have been spit-roasted by the end of it. Not remembered as the lovable president of the 80s.

You should really read up on Cuba, its quite a bit more complex than "us v. them". There is a book called "One Hell of A Gamble" that goes into detail on the whole issue. Turns out that Castro wanted US aid, and that we turned him down. This was followed, logically, by turning to the Soviet Union for aid. We promptly started spying on Cuba, trying to bring Castro down, and ultimately drove him to accept, against his own better judgement, soviet missiles. Fidel Castro has always been a Cuban nationalist, his brother Raul and Che Guevara were the communist influence.

Its NOAM: http://www.chomsky.info/ don't bitch at me about getting info wrong, you can't even fact-check a name.

The Russians had Stalinism, they were fucking idiots. As are the Chinese and North Koreans. I have conceded, on many occasions, that socialism will never work. Further you weaken yourself with fallicious arguments against my character. Which has always been why I don't take you seriously.

When did I ever say that I opposed capital punishment? I simply said that it would be gone if there were truely a liberal influence. Some people are too dangerous too live, ironically several of them are still alive. Charles Manson for example.

Again I contend that the Democrats and Republicans are the same rotten eggs. They both line their pockets, through different means. We do need military spending, however it needs to be monitored. How about those $500 toilet seats?

Again with the personal attacks. Those are bad, try logic sometime.

Take a journalism class. You will see that T.V. news and the Wall Street Journal are disconcertingly similar. And before you start on a tirade about liberal journalism professors: the professor who illustrated that point is a 97 year old republican.

Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity both benefit from something Howard Stern used to play on: listeners who don't like them. The audience is about a 50/50 mix of people who hang on every word they say, and people who dispise every word they say.

As for liberal being "different and cool", no. It just happens to be how I think. Socially anyway, I'm actually pretty conservative when it comes to the budget.
Al Franken IS an idiot, I couldn't agree with you more on that account.

Now here is something that sets me completely aside from you. There is a word, that word is COMPROMISE. Compromise means that two sides want two different things. Each cannot have exactly what they want, so they get the next best thing: something similar that both can agree on. I believe in compromise. I belive we should hunt down Osama Bin Laded, I think we need to stop wasting our time in Iraq and actually hunt him down.

Compromise is a trait of great leaders. I dislike Kennedy, all the Kennedy's actually. He was a drugged out failure. My favorite president is Theodore Roosevelt. A republican. Probably the smartest man to be president, including Thomas Jefferson.

Oh shit here we go again........


Bicyclists are moderate. If only because hippies ride bicycles, and rich people ride bicycles..

jhammons, you are exactly the kind of idiot this world doesn't need. You jump to an awful lot of conclusions based on very little information. My grandfather is a liberal, my father is dead so I have no idea what he'd be..I can only go off of information YOU provide. Everything I posted is in direct response to what you typed and posted. Not sure why I am the idiot and why the world doesn't need me yet they need to compromise....more on that later

Iran-Contra might have gotten 24 hour coverage, but it certainly wasn't liberal coverage or Reagan would have been spit-roasted by the end of it. Not remembered as the lovable president of the 80s..They TRIED to roast hang Reagan....that was what the whole thing was about. The Dems/libs were after him but nothing stuck. No matter how long the which hunt continued nothing took hold. AND YES I watched....where were you??? suckling on mommies Teeter??? Did you read about Iran-Contra in some revisionist history book in your Journalism Class?? I was there and I saw waht they were trying to do and I Did not like it one bit. And the ONLY media back then was the liberal Media that Rush and others exposed shortly after that period of time. During Iran-contra the liberal media lock was in its heyday and the Dem/libs were at the end of a 40 year run in both houses. Why do you think the ground swell occured?? I voted for Reagan Twice, are you allowed to vote yet??? The responses you give are so clearly biased from your liberal education, it wears on your sleeves.

You should really read up on Cuba, its quite a bit more complex than "us v. them". There is a book called "One Hell of A Gamble" that goes into detail on the whole issue. Turns out that Castro wanted US aid, and that we turned him down. This was followed, logically, by turning to the Soviet Union for aid. We promptly started spying on Cuba, trying to bring Castro down, and ultimately drove him to accept, against his own better judgement, soviet missiles. Fidel Castro has always been a Cuban nationalist, his brother Raul and Che Guevara were the communist influence..And so we wouldn't give fidel any moneys!! Big deal! Why would we give a dime to a dictator??? Why would the US in the middle of the cold war give any money to a communist?? ARE you seriously saying that WE Forced fidel to go to the solviets???? Do you also believe that we force people into being criminals becuase we won't give them handouts?? Now it's your turn to apply some logic

Its NOAM: http://www.chomsky.info/ don't bitch at me about getting info wrong, you can't even fact-check a name..Hey, Sorry, he has been printed as NORM BFG, my statement about him being a lefty and getting on on Brodacast TV remains true. He gets on Mainstream TV JUST LIKE FRANKEN and GERAFOLO

The Russians had Stalinism, they were fucking idiots. As are the Chinese and North Koreans. I have conceded, on many occasions, that socialism will never work. Further you weaken yourself with fallicious arguments against my character. Which has always been why I don't take you seriously. .I have never spoken to you.......How could "ALWAYS" not taken me seriously?? I am glad that after numourous whole nations have proven that socialism will not work....you concede that point, how big of you. That's ground breaking. I mean, you really can't in todays world jump up and claim a commune will work....sorry you'll have to stow all that tie die for the next revolution

When did I ever say that I opposed capital punishment? I simply said that it would be gone if there were truely a liberal influence. Some people are too dangerous too live, ironically several of them are still alive. Charles Manson for example..Only thing you've said that makes any sense, there is hope after all.

Again I contend that the Democrats and Republicans are the same rotten eggs. They both line their pockets, through different means. We do need military spending, however it needs to be monitored. How about those $500 toilet seats? .To Quote an advisary that spoke the truth Sarah Weddington said that the proper way to exact change is to join the system and use the tools set in place by the founding fathers to shape the laws of our free society. Ok so I didn't quote her verbatim, but that is what she said......and it's true. For you to just sit back and say we're all bad is kinda sophomoric....wouldn't you say??

Again with the personal attacks. Those are bad, try logic sometime..Ok sorry for calling you a liberal. Didn't know it was a "BAD" word.

Take a journalism class. You will see that T.V. news and the Wall Street Journal are disconcertingly similar. And before you start on a tirade about liberal journalism professors: the professor who illustrated that point is a 97 year old republican..Sir I was a jounalism Major at one time. I've forgotten more yellow journalism than you will ever see. I can talk about historical Journalism and historical movie propaganda. I went to school and guess what??? While you were looking for the sticky ti ti.....I was stone cold sober and paying attention.

Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity both benefit from something Howard Stern used to play on: listeners who don't like them. The audience is about a 50/50 mix of people who hang on every word they say, and people who dispise every word they say..YOu really believe that?? You really think that half the audience tunes in because they hate it?? Yea, most of the cancelled programs today suffer from that. I always watch CNN cause I hate Larry King Alive. Do us a favor, stay away from the Kool Aid.

As for liberal being "different and cool", no. It just happens to be how I think. Socially anyway, I'm actually pretty conservative when it comes to the budget.
Al Franken IS an idiot, I couldn't agree with you more on that account..YOu don't think "Socially" You think ANTI-Socially. Can you not see that? You hate all politicians and think they are all corrupt. You hate the US ad think it should be changed. You love Cuba, a failed society. You think all Americans are stupid.

Where do you get off saying that you think Socially? You are ANTI-Social, maybe you need to do some reflecting

Now here is something that sets me completely aside from you. There is a word, that word is COMPROMISE. Compromise means that two sides want two different things. Each cannot have exactly what they want, so they get the next best thing: something similar that both can agree on. I believe in compromise. I belive we should hunt down Osama Bin Laded, I think we need to stop wasting our time in Iraq and actually hunt him down..Now as you first paragraph states, I am the one that the world doesn't need. What? We only need poeple that agree with you?? That's a really compromising position. Now can I read your last paragraph and take it for what it said or do I take you for your word on your first paragraph?? conlficting points fo view in the same Paragraph.

Compromise is a trait of great leaders. I dislike Kennedy, all the Kennedy's actually. He was a drugged out failure. My favorite president is Theodore Roosevelt. A republican. Probably the smartest man to be president, including Thomas Jefferson.Social security Roosevelt??? the one that left us with this failed program?? Yea, what a legacy. That one worked out great. Why am I not suprised that a president that figured out a scheme to take my money and give it to somebody that I have never met, nor will ever meet, would be your favorite??? Why does that not suprise me? Why would the president that was responsible for the sinlge largest land grab ever in the US History without so much as a stipen to the private owners being on ove your favorites suprise me. aaahhhh see there are two sides to each coin

Lastly, It doesn't suprise me that you pick a man that was in office 100 year ago as your champion. He is a safe bet......not many can debate his merits with you.

OBTW Comrade, Lets make a deal. I am smiling while typing, I enjoy the debate. I hope you do as well

First one that gets mad......looses.

Finally we got some DOO spark going on here.

OBTW Comrade, Lets make a deal. I am smiling while typing, I enjoy the debate. I hope you do as well

First one that gets mad......looses.

Come on now, you know my philosophy from RX7Club: its the internet, its all in good fun.

I have to say though, I don't like having political/philosophical debates on forums. Its more fun to talk to people. Ironically, I think we'd get along just fine in person, and might even agree on several things.

Hell, anymore I play the liberal to blend into my surroundings. I guess by definition I'm a moderate, even the "Comrade" part of my screen name is mostly as a joke for all my friends. I wrote a sitcom once called "The Anti-Social Socialist".

I'm too tired to play along right now, lets try again tomorrow.

I used to debate with Manntis all the time, but he knew that I was not mad and I am not Mad at you, nor do I dislike you. I hate the idiots ( I won't name anybody) Not the people that can debate and have a differing opinion.....and yes I believe almost all of us that came over here to Illstreet are like minded and probalby could have a great BBQ if we weren't spread across the US.

Ok, I got four hours of sleep, I think I'm ready for another go round:

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Whoops, I fucked up. Ad hominem, just like I was berating you for.

Sure I vote. I voted for Kerry this time. Though honestly, I would have voted for McCain or Powell if they had made a serious go at it. But I'm unaffiliated, so I don't count in the primaries.

Don't smoke pot or drink. Always go to class sober, and with an open mind. Best quote ever, this is an aside because I think its funny: "Its true that only 10% of the media is conservative. The rest are Fascist."

Oddly Iran-Contra is one of the first things I remember. But, I must confess, that is not my strongest era of history. Give me early Cold-War anyday. Perhaps the coverage I saw was different, but it seemed rather mild. Except in the Press Democrat, but they belong to they N.Y. Times and they ARE a liberal paper.

I think anti-socially on the small scale. I agree that I am rather negative when it comes to American politics. However, I also think we could do better. You're right, I do not propose solutions. I am not a wise enough man for that. I don't think anyone on this forum is either.

Damn I needed to sleep. Contradictions within my own argument will bring me down. However, I will re explain my position: we don't need people who rely on personal attacks to make their point. To be taken seriously, and I must admit I have said some things that make it hard to take me seriously, one must not attack the speaker. By using "liberal" as a negative, you turn it into an attack word.

To my knowledge Noam has never been on TV. An equivalently conservative person would be Pat Robertson, who is not only regularly on the news, but has his own show. Sadly our so-called "elitist liberals" have not such deep pockets.

You burned yourself, Theodore Roosevelt was NOT Social Security Roosevelt. That would be FDR. Who, while still better than those that followed him, was not nearly as great a man. You should love Teddy too: "Speak softly and carry a big stick!" He balanced military spending, environmental concerns (the national park system was his idea, designed to give hunters a wild place to hunt), social reform (hes the one that dismantled Standard Oil), and put the US on the world stage for the first time. Read Theodore Rex, and you too will like Teddy.