A great debate between Christopher Hitchens and Alister McGrath.

http://fora.tv/2007/10/11/Christopher_Hitchens_Debates_Alister_McGrath

funny how your biggest hero, Dawkins, is considered an embarrassment even to most atheists

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Not to mention a baseless assumption.

A great debate. It's over an hour long but if you are interested in good theological debates I recommend it.

If you can find the Christopher Hitchens vs Schmuley Boteach debate it is also very good.

Einstein's viewpoint was balanced, this is a new era of aggressive, psychopathic atheists

and atheists are so easy to defeat: explain the origin of the atomic elements!

Explain the origin of your god.

We are willing to accept there are things we don't know without relying on god-in-the-gaps to justify there existence. But we do know they exist and there is no evidence that suggests a god does.

Explain the origin of your god.

We are willing to accept there are things we don't know without relying on god-in-the-gaps to justify there existence. But we do know they exist and there is no evidence that suggests a god does.


The truth is you are willing to accept that there are things you don't know as long as an infinite being (God) is not responsible for their existence. Which basically means that you are lying. You are not willing to accept things you don't know. Any explanation for the origin of the universe without a creator is illogical and impossible to the observable laws of our universe. Nothing spontaneously exists without cause. Your Godless universe makes no sense in the universe you live in.

See...I can stomach this a lot better than "you're all weeds destined for hell" and all the other shit Marky spews. Bx doesn't need to insult people to get his point across and I respect that. I still don't believe in what he believes in, but we are all entitled to our own opinion without having to degrade other people to express it. This section of the forum would be just fine if Mark would quit judging people like he is God himself and wishing cancer upon them because they have a different opinion......

The truth is you are willing to accept that there are things you don't know as long as an infinite being (God) is not responsible for their existence. Which basically means that you are lying. You are not willing to accept things you don't know.

Not when there isn't a single shred of evidence that suggests there is an infinite being (god). We know that the atomic elements exist however there origins may never be known (or they may already be known I have never researched it) and I'm willing to accept that. We know that god makes the least amount of sense. Until the day comes that you can actually prove his existance your unbacked claims makes you the liar.

Any explanation for the origin of the universe without a creator is illogical and impossible to the observable laws of our universe. Nothing spontaneously exists without cause. Your Godless universe makes no sense in the universe you live in.

A completly false statement. The Universe makes much more sense without god if you actually educate yourself.

pure insanity....far more brilliant men than you will ever be have said otherwise

Sure doesn't make them brilliant in that area.

We know that god makes the least amount of sense.

Arrogant and ignorant.


Until the day comes that you can actually prove his existance your unbacked claims makes you the liar.

I can today. The proof is the Bible. Read the book of Isaiah.

Arrogant and ignorant..


Call it what you will. I'm not getting my worldly information from a book written by ignorant camel herders.

I can today. The proof is the Bible. Read the book of Isaiah.

Sad proof. So what happened to Mithra, Wotan, Zeus, Odin, ect....?

he's not going to read the Bible, he HATES the Bible, that's why he's here, to resist Christians

I don't hate the bible. But I'm smart enough not to take it literally.

amazing how these people all use the same, parroted, strawman arguments....as if Greek gods have any bearing on society in 2008

wake up, look at what is happening in Israel

nah....just stay asleep

I Corinthians 15

Do not be deceived: “Evil company corrupts good habits.” Awake to righteousness, and do not sin; for some do not have the knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame.

Romans 13

And do this, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep; for now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand. Therefore let us cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light. Let us walk properly, as in the day, not in revelry and drunkenness, not in lewdness and lust, not in strife and envy. But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to fulfill its lusts.

That had nothing to do with 2008. That just put me to sleep.

you've been asleep since birth....and you will likely die that way

then begins eternal agony.....never ending torment forever and ever....because you have rejected the Son of God

Soooo scary all that fire and brimstone.:40oz:

amazing how these people all use the same, parroted, strawman arguments....as if Greek gods have any bearing on society in 2008

The only reason Christianity has any merit in this day and age is because someone in power allowed it. At first, it was resisted by the Romans, then it was accepted. Guess what the Romans are known for...

One thing your religion does not accept is fallible nature of human interpretation and dictator corruption. History isn't written, it is allowed.