Hrm, that was depressing.

http://www.laist.com/archives/2007/05/02/one_day_this_shit_isnt_going_to_be_people_running_ one_day_people_are_gonna_be_prepared_for_police_to _come_and_fuck_with_them.php

"A peaceful crowd of unarmed men, women, children, and the press, tried to unceremoniously scatter but were pelted with rubber bullets anyways.

Not only does GameJew capture the fear and anger that people felt, but he has some really excellent interviews with locals as the action goes down."




Weird outfit, eh?


Think motorcycle gear would help against rubber bullets? :P

There is always more to the story then what the hippies say.

Like the "peaceful homeless camp" up here.

The one that defecates on people's lawns, and yells threats at people that don't give them change.

But its just so horrible when the police make them leave! Oh those poor poor LAZY FUCKING BASTARDS.

I have no issue with people who are legitimately down on their luck. But a lot of these people just don't want to work.

I don't know man, it certainly didn't appear that anything other than a peaceful gathering was going on. They have a perfectly good point, the police in this coutnry have way too much power. Is there any explanation as to why those people could not have a peaceful demonstration? That is their constitutional right is it not? Fuck the police, I don't feel one bit of remorse when I hear about a cop getting shot. Pretty much everyone that I've met is a stupid meathead fuck that likes to push around minorities.

Wow that is scewed up, i would have been one of the guys shot because i would have probably flipped out because is such bs

Just a few observations...

1: The video shows the helicopter circling ONCE telling them to leave, then the bullets get fired like 5 seconds later. I highly doubt the bullets were fired that soon after the helicopter circled once... I tend to believe they had been warned to leave a while and wouldn't. Furthermore, we didn't see what was going on over the hill where the first rounds were fired.

2: Even after the aftermath of the first round of rubber bullets.. at 3:04 the majority of the crowd is still standing around, refusing to leave.

3: At 4:05 there's a peaceful, unarmed protester with a 2x4 throwing his hands up at the cops threatening them.

4: The masked guy yelling that "we came here for immigrants rights." Legal immigrants have the same rights as any other U.S. citizen... illegal immigrants are just that--illegal, and have no rights... nor does it make any sense whatsoever to throw away all laws concerning immigration and give whoever border jumps "rights"... then no rights would be reserved and anarchy would emerge.

5: As the bob marley wanna-be is rambling about how using police officers instead of the national guard to break up "riots" is "not doing what the constitution says" I am losing a little hope in humanity. Ignorant mother fucker needs to wash his hair too.

6: The gamejew moron should be shot for his clothing, but regardless, he repeatedly criticizes that the cops form together in a "militarized fashion"... So, what are they supposed to do? Play vietnam and just run around so mexicans carrying sticks can beat the shit out of them 5-on-1? Again, the cops didn't shoot until the majority of people grouped together, and turned facing the cops not leaving as told.

7: I see this as an attack on our country. You're waving another countries flag everywhere, and using props that say the U.S. is "going down" (titanic) and the reason for being there is to do away with our laws and allow a free-for-all for anyone that decides to run into the U.S. The idiots are lucky it wasnt a branch of the army and that they didn't use real bullets...

I don't think so. This is isn't the first time that something like this has happened. Is there a good reason you can think of that this demonstration should have been broken up? Was there even a need for a police helicopter? There's no doubt that the video was edited, but I still did not see one shred of activity that warranted rubber bullets being fired. The simple fact that the police even forced people to leave while wearing riot gear was fucked up, and a direct assault on constitutional rights. We are granted the right of peaceful assembly, which is what that was. I don't think the police should be granted any leeway in this situation at all, they are all a bunch of filthy corrupt motherfuckers.
There was a cop shot and killed here in my town about 2 months ago, by a black guy no less. What happened? He stepped in and escalated a situation that was dying down. There's no excuse for the black guy to shoot him, that was obviously retarded and he was a fuckwad. However, the ceremonies following did nothing but blow this cop and talk about what a great peaceful guy he was. Fuck that, he was a racist mick cop that was around during the whole Darryl Hunt situation (the guy that was wrongfully accused of murder and put in jail for 20 years despite the mountain of DNA evidence proving he didn't do it). Cops are fucking cocksuckers, I do not and will not ever have any respect for these uneducated, gym class hero assholes.

Both sides should probably be locked up for their own safety.

I don't like cops either... but feel free to casually ignore the obvious bias video editing... the millions of people cursing, yelling, etc... they were told to leave and wouldn't. When the cops showed up, they didn't leave. They were hit with rubber. Oh... ignore the guy with the stick challenging the cops too... the editor obviously missed that one.

I didn't see peaceful assembly... and I could make an argument that this was an invasion of the united states.

Furthermore, pretty ironic the same hippies that whine about not discriminating based on race, SEX, or AGE playing the "women and children" card for the rhetoric effect.

This shit is nothing but another sleazy political move.

Cops are fucking cocksuckers, I do not and will not ever have any respect for these uneducated, gym class hero assholes.

Its like you plucked the words right from my brain :bigthumb:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070507/ap_on_re_us/immigration_rally_clash

LOS ANGELES - Police Chief William Bratton said Sunday that up to 60 members of an elite squad that swarmed into a park and fired rubber bullets during a May Day immigration rally are no longer on the street.

Bratton said he spent the weekend viewing video of the MacArthur Park incident and he said LAPD failures were widespread with officers from the top on down culpable.

"I'm not going to defend the indefensible," Bratton told journalists groups during a meeting at a television studio in Hollywood. "Things were done that shouldn't have been done."

This shit is nothing but another sleazy political move.

Well, yeh, obviously :P

Despite the bias of the film, the events in it still actually happened.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070507/ap_on_re_us/immigration_rally_clash

LOS ANGELES - Police Chief William Bratton said Sunday that up to 60 members of an elite squad that swarmed into a park and fired rubber bullets during a May Day immigration rally are no longer on the street.

Bratton said he spent the weekend viewing video of the MacArthur Park incident and he said LAPD failures were widespread with officers from the top on down culpable.

"I'm not going to defend the indefensible," Bratton told journalists groups during a meeting at a television studio in Hollywood. "Things were done that shouldn't have been done."




Well isn't that interesting, their boss claims they fucked up as well.

Well it was a crowd of foreign nationals who illegally invaded our border. I bet if a bunch of us crossed the border and protested in Mexico city the bullets wouldn't have been rubber.

Well it was a crowd of foreign nationals who illegally invaded our border. I bet if a bunch of us crossed the border and protested in Mexico city the bullets wouldn't have been rubber.
Especially demanding that they allow us to be there illegally, get paid more for illegally working, and that we have the same rights as those who are there legally... I agree with you for once.

I agree with you for once.


Oh come on. There have been other times.

One other thing about these riots. Any time you participate in a protest you should be prepared to get water or tear gas or rubber bullets shot at you and you should never take kids. These people were way to bold.

Those aren't illegals. THESE are illegals: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=09b_1177504876

I'm amazed at everyone's ability to look at 2 Mexicans and tell which one is an illegal. How exactly do you do this?

Oh come on. There have been other times.

One other thing about these riots. Any time you participate in a protest you should be prepared to get water or tear gas or rubber bullets shot at you and you should never take kids. These people were way to bold.


And that my friend, is wrong. Everyone has the right to protest anything they want, given they do it in a civilzed manner. We don't live in Iran, but we are certainly coming real close to it when we have to worry about getting shot for voicing our opinion.

You guys are also basically standing behind the most notoriously corrupt law enforcement agency in the country.

Too complacent.

I'm amazed at everyone's ability to look at 2 Mexicans and tell which one is an illegal. How exactly do you do this?

Magic.


One of my professors used to be a deputy for the L.A. Sherriffs department. One of the reasons he left was that it got too dangerous to be a cop in L.A. because, and these are his exact words, "LAPD are a bunch of racist bastards".

He also told me that the racism problem in Idaho started when a bunch of retired LAPD officers moved up there to start their own white supremacist state.

I'm amazed at everyone's ability to look at 2 Mexicans and tell which one is an illegal. How exactly do you do this?

The protest was over immigrants rights, correct? Legal immigrants who have became citizens have the same rights as anyone else... I can only assume the rights being protested for are for illegal immigrants that do not want to follow the legal process.

Why pretend this problem doesn't exist? Mexicans are flooding the United States much faster than immigration quotas are met, not to be exceeded. Not only are they coming in here illegally, their attitudes is that we should change our culture entirely to suit them. Furthermore, if they want to be Americans, why are they waving the Mexican flag everywhere?

This has become an invasion... They're flooding our country, trying to change our culture to suit them, and waving their home countries flag. I see this as an invasion more than a cute child's story about pedro immigrating to America for freedom.

And that my friend, is wrong. Everyone has the right to protest anything they want, given they do it in a civilzed manner. We don't live in Iran, but we are certainly coming real close to it when we have to worry about getting shot for voicing our opinion.

You guys are also basically standing behind the most notoriously corrupt law enforcement agency in the country.

Yes everyone has the right to protest, everyone knows that "captain obvious". I didn't say that you didn't. I said you should be prepared to get shot with less than lethal weapons. Because unless you have some kind of mind control or the ability to handle a huge crowd. You will never know when a protest will go bad and find yourself in the middle of a riot. You have to use common sense and know what you're getting yourself into. Have you ever lived in California? Allot of those people who protest are extremely militant and believe this is their country and we should get out. Those cops may have saved allot of lives by breaking that up when they did.

Er - why should one going to a nonviolent protest be 'prepared to be shot'? In most Western countries, protest in written form, by public assembly, etc. are entrenched rights. How many rights do you get shot for exercising?

Now, if it's a riot, or mob, or whatever the dunbasses deserve what they get. But protest != riot, and you said 'protest'.

BTW, when police in Iran opened fire on protesters with rubber bullets (and one of the rubber bullets killed a child, BTW) the US derided the use of such weapons on women and children as symbols of Iran's oppressive regime.

Er - why should one going to a nonviolent protest be 'prepared to be shot'?





You stopped reading at "be prepared to be shot" didn't you?

"You never know when a protest will go bad and find yourself in the middle of a riot."

Thats what happened in Seattle with the WTO riots. A couple of anarchist idiots came in and took it from a peaceful protest to a riot in a matter of seconds.

One misconception that many people have is that "illegal" immigrants are taking jobs away from Americans and hurting. First, this is wrong, and it should be known that if it weren't for many illegals there are alot of businesses here that would have already had to outsource overseas. Ignoring that entirely, what the police did at this protest is in no way correct. You guys are overlooking basic principles here. Maybe some of those protesting were illegals, ok fine. However, no one knew that. All that the LAPD knew was that there was a crowd of people assembled, protesting peacefully. The only time you see anyone pissed off is AFTER the cops had been firing upon crowds that contained women and children. Are you telling me that you wouldn't have been pissed off about that if were there? If you were involved in a civilized protest that ended up having bullets rained upon it, you wouldn't want to approach the police pissed off and questions why and what the hell they were doing? I know I would. This was some police state shit right here, and it was blatantly wrong. I'm amazed that the LAPD does not have multiple constitutional lawsuits against them right now.

Ok so lets say a KKK group wants to have a peaceable protest in downtown LA. Lets say they want reparations from the government for all of the slaves that were let go. So all they would have to do is take women and children with them and they would be untouchable, right?

If memory serves me correctly, the KKK has held many demonstrations in the past, with police protection no less.

Ok so lets say a KKK group wants to have a peaceable protest in downtown LA. Lets say they want reparations from the government for all of the slaves that were let go. So all they would have to do is take women and children with them and they would be untouchable, right?

No, they should be untouchable even without the woman and children, as long as they do it peacefully.

In fact, it tends to work that way.

Thats the way the country works.

Well maybe that was a bad example.

You stopped reading at "be prepared to be shot" didn't you?

"You never know when a protest will go bad and find yourself in the middle of a riot."

You never know when a trip to 7-11 will go bad and you'll be in the middle of a robbery. Doesn't change your constitutional rights at all.

You never know when a trip to 7-11 will go bad and you'll be in the middle of a robbery. Doesn't change your constitutional rights at all.


But it's the same kind of thing. I wouldn't let my kids go into a 7-11 in a bad part of town or at bad time of the day either. Like I said you need to know what you're getting into. Just like this illegal thing. It's not a subject that is devoid of strong feelings and possible violence. I just think those people were partly to blame for putting women and children in that position.

As for the problems with the LAPD. I think allot of times they find themselves in positions beyond their control. You can't really set on the couch and say you would do something different without being put in that position.

Basically I'm just saying look at the big picture. I think if everyone involved on both sides stepped back and said "what could I have done different" everyone could have come up with something to avoid it. But instead everyone wants to point blame to someone else.

that, I agree with.

I think if everyone involved on both sides stepped back and said "what could I have done different" everyone could have come up with something to avoid it. But instead everyone wants to point blame to someone else.
Possibly because our society is full of people that won't admit they've done wrong, and pointing a finger is the easiest way out.

http://www.stillweridethemovie.com/

http://www.stillweridethemovie.com/

That shit is fucked up.

Facists.

As far as the bike thing... You can't have a float parade in NYC whenever you feel like it... you'll screw up traffic. Bicycles are legal to ride around, sure, but when you have hundreds screwing up traffic patterns without permission from the city, aka, no detours or cops had been setup to accompany such an event... I see it as illegal as well. They simply should get the cities permission for such a large gathering.

Remember all those people that were detained prior to the RNC? Same thing.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/story/2007/06/08/jaywalking-homeless.html


"It's not a helpful thing. It's not a service to the people, that's for sure."