<font color='#000000'>This is not me personally as the driver, &nbsp;but my friend driving the car called me right after it happened tonite.

The Prelude is a 92 Si with a JDM H22a. &nbsp;I just rebuilt the motor, &nbsp;stock bottom end, oversized bearings. &nbsp;I designed a bal shaft elim kit for the H22/H23 and it is being tested on this car. &nbsp;The top end is a stock head, &nbsp;Skunk2 St2 cams, Skunk2 cam gears, Skunk2 springs and Ti retainers and Crower St Steel valves. &nbsp;The clutch is an ACT street/strip tied to a Clutchmasters 11lb flywheel. &nbsp;The mods round out as a GReddy header, AEM intake and 2.5&quot; exhaust. &nbsp;There is also a VAFC on the car, &nbsp;but right now it is flatlined and VTEC is moved up to 7000rpm to break in the motor. &nbsp;This race is with about 475 miles on the motor, &nbsp;and he didnt go over 6500 rpm. &nbsp;Keep in mind also, &nbsp;there is no VTEC happening here yet either. &nbsp;I drove this car around town to seat the rings for the first 50 miles, &nbsp;and even at under 30% throttle I can vouch that this car will be fast as hell.

Anyway, &nbsp;on to the story. &nbsp;My buddy is out putting mileage on the Lude cruising up and down Hwy 17 business. &nbsp;In the rear view he picks out a set of HIDs rolling up thru traffic from behind. &nbsp;As it gets closer, &nbsp;he can see that it is a BMW.

The BMW gets beside him and keeps on rolling past. &nbsp;It is new M5, &nbsp;driven by a young kid with a girl in the passenger seat. &nbsp;My buddy Kyle is feeling cocky in the Lude so he taps the gas and the light flywheel and lack of balance shafts sends the revs skyward. &nbsp;The kid in the Bimmer hears it and taps the brakes. &nbsp;They are crusing at about 55 and Kyle drops it to third. &nbsp;They draw even at about 60mph, &nbsp;he looks over..the kid nods... they both floor it. &nbsp;Kyle swears that he never went over 6500rpm, &nbsp;then he shifted to 4th and they ran that out to 6500 also. &nbsp;They stayed side by side! &nbsp;The whole way! &nbsp; They slowed back down... the kid puts his window down and so does Kyle.... They decide to do it again, &nbsp;so back to 60mph in 3rd....floor it...all the way to about 110mph...same thing, &nbsp;SIDE BY SIDE.

I'm sure Kyle is not lying, &nbsp;otherwise, he would not have called me right after and I could hear the excitement in his voice.

He was on the way back to his friend's house to change the oil at 500 miles and go out to set VTEC and then go &quot;Probe hunting&quot;...hehehehe

I'll post some times for the Lude after Wednesday. &nbsp;He will be going to the track with me and SaRa that night. &nbsp;The Lude did 14.1s on the stock motor and street tires, &nbsp;so it should be pretty interesting. <img src="http://www.spartanburgracing.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

Jeff</font>

<font color='#000000'>damn, it had better result in some f*cking impressive 1/4 times!!</font>

<font color='#000000'>since he will be running street tires, &nbsp;i have a feeling that it will be fighting for traction well into 2nd gear.

with running 14.1s and 9.1-9.2s on the stock motor, &nbsp;he may well be in the low 13s if he can hook up.

I wish I had seen the race, &nbsp;as it is hard to believe, &nbsp;but like I said, he has no reason to lie.

Jeff</font>

<font color='#000000'>Damn, a new m5? Those things are fast as ####. &nbsp;They Prelude must be pushing some serious freakin' power.</font>

<font color='#000000'>I just talked to him on the cell. &nbsp;The oil is changed, &nbsp;everything looked perfect, and they are headed for empty roads to dial in the VTEC and a/f ratios on the VAFC. &nbsp;Kyle used to work forme, &nbsp;so I trust his tuning.... <img src="http://www.spartanburgracing.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

Going to be hunting on the way home from the ..&quot;tuning grounds&quot; <img src="http://www.spartanburgracing.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

Stay tuned...

Jeff</font>

<font color='#000000'>wow</font>

<font color='#000F22'>killer.. I wanna race somebody that runs 13's around here. &nbsp;I've got to get a clutch put in and when I do, I'd like to give somebody w/ a 13 or quicker second car a go. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.spartanburgracing.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

ROb</font>

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I'll run you this weekend bro...

I got my ass handed to me this past week by a WS6 auto with all the bolt-ons.... I even asked him if he was spraying... &quot;No&quot; he says. &nbsp;Yea right...no way he left me by a length off the line and pulled to 2 lengths by the end. &nbsp;Oh yea, on that run I went 13.46 @ 104.56mph.

Not spraying! my ass..... <img src="http://www.spartanburgracing.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

Jeff</font>

<font color='#000F22'>Come out to westgate rob. &nbsp;Im not sure which day im just glad my drivetrain is finally finished. I was getting tired of watching races in a automatic Civic. That '03 Cobra will be out there (the one that ran 11s). &nbsp;Looking at the vid im pretty sure he shifter 1st to 2nd to 1st. &nbsp;What can i say were not used to those 6-speeds.</font>

<font color='#000080'>man. &nbsp;thats quite impressive..

my poor 240 would struggle to click off a 15 1/4 pass im afraid &nbsp;<img src="http://www.spartanburgracing.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('> &nbsp; &nbsp;

jeff, if U have AIM im me at &nbsp;AxisRacer240sx &nbsp; I wanna talk to u bout my car</font>

<font color='#000F22'>Will the SR stuff fit in your car stegall. &nbsp;Im guessing it will &nbsp;<img src="http://www.spartanburgracing.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':O'> .</font>

<font color='#000080'>yeah it would

i dunno bout an SR tho</font>

<font color='#000000'>Umm so you are saying that a prelude with just those mods are hanging with an m5 400+ hp? &nbsp;I believe that m5 had it in the wrong gear bc the h22 would need to have more hp than the m5 to pull it even though they are heavy... &nbsp;I don't care how fast he runs in the quarter mile... He should be trapping &nbsp;around 110mph to beat an m5 from a roll. &nbsp;LS1's can't beat them stock for stock on the highway...</font>

<font color='#000F22'>Yeah thats the fastest prelude ive ever seen (well i havent seen it yet). &nbsp;There is a newer SH 5-spd at shady side with nitrous that only runs mid-high 9s. &nbsp;Thats around a high 14-15. Might have been a 5-series with badges and rims.</font>

<font color='#000080'>maybe maybe maybe maybe</font>

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td>Quote (HighTachPrez @ Nov. 09 2002,19:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><font color='#000000'>damn, it had better result in some f*cking impressive 1/4 times!!</font></td></tr></table>
<font color='#000000'>like i said before <img src="http://www.spartanburgracing.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'></font>

<font color='#000000'>1/4 times are not the only measure of a car.

This car has very little grip off the line....running stock 96 VTEC Lude rims with Potenza RE930s, he is spinning all the way thru second. &nbsp;He ended up trapping out at just over 95mph tonight with the rough seat of the pants tuning that I have done. &nbsp;Just wait for the dyno tuning.

What IS important, is that this car is damn fast. &nbsp;On the way to the track tonight he pulled ME. &nbsp;All the way thru 3rd and 4th the bastard put almost a length on me.

Unbelievable. &nbsp;He pulled me the way that I usually pull everyone that I race....well, not that bad <img src="http://www.spartanburgracing.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

Jeff</font>

<font color='#000000'>HUH? You trap 106, and he traps 95 mph and he pulled u? *If he only trapped 95mph there is no way he pulled on an m5. *Probably a rebadge slow series is what he pulled on. *They trap like at least 107+ mph. &nbsp;Trap speed is the indicator of power. &nbsp;It calculates your mph by how fast you pass through the two markers so.... &nbsp;He was probably running high 14-15 that night if you say he was spinning so much.</font>

<font color='#000000'>I say again

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you are right, he was running a best of 14.5 last night. &nbsp;95% of running the 1/4 is how the car behaves at the launch. &nbsp;On his launch, on street tires, Progress springs and stock shocks, he spun the tires all the way thru 1st and 2nd no matter how he launched the car, hi rpm or low rpm. &nbsp;He is going to need some AGXs on the rear at least and some DRs.

Now once a car is moving..say a third gear roll...suspension comes into play only very little. &nbsp;All the HP the motor makes gets put to good use pushing the car forward and fighting drag. &nbsp;His car is making some power. &nbsp;I dont have any idea at the moment how much, &nbsp;but I do know that I didnt get pulled on purpose.

Keep in mind that this is on the way to the track last night. &nbsp;I was only trapping at 101-102 for the first majority of runs when I got there. &nbsp;I had a lot of tuning on the SAFC to do in order to make the new turbo work for me instead of against me. &nbsp;My MPH in the early part of the night is what I was figuring that he'd be doing with a good launch. &nbsp;Unfortunately, he never got a good launch....2.3-2.5s all night. &nbsp;I didnt drive his car at the track.

More practice.....

Jeff</font>

<font color='#000000'>ET matters on the launch... &nbsp;Trap speed is trap speed because it is the calculated measure of how fast you go through the traps. &nbsp;His car may be quick but its not m5 quick... &nbsp;Oh well... &nbsp;I don't really care about this any more. &nbsp;I am not hating or anything... I just find it hard to believe that he pulled on an m5...</font>

<font color='#000F22'>M3s are fast...M5s are faster...but I dont know about all that other stuff</font>

<font color='#000000'>im rasing the BS flag on this one.

i run 14.5ish at 96 on street tires with 2.3 60' times
i played with an M5 by accident once. &nbsp;i thought it was a 5 series with dual exaust... he was weaving in and out of traffic and i kept up. it cleared out and he hopped as i pulled along side. &nbsp;i took the bait and stomped on it, and watched as he ran away from me like i was nothing.

M5s will walk on normal C5 M6s from a roll....

you either ran against the guys wife who doesnt know wtf to do, the guy wasnt racing, or youre making it all up.</font>

<font color='#000000'>You guys can raise whatever you want...flag..middle finger... etc. *It doesnt matter to me.

It is/was unbelievable to me when he called me that night. *And &quot;I&quot; built the car.

Now on the road last night, *I was in third, *he was in third coming from behind in the left lane, I was in the right. * As he got to my rear bumper I floored it and hung for a second. *I hit 4th before he did and he pulled out a half length. *He hit 4th and pulled out the rest of the way to a full length. *At that point I had to drop back because of traffic up ahead. *This was on 501 heading out of MB, *going right by CCU.

As I said in my last post, *I was only trapping out at 101-102mph in the first several runs at the track last night, until I got the fuel map dialed in again. *So it is QUITE possible that he did pull me, *especially since I dont make #### up, especially a story in which &quot;I&quot; am the one that is losing.

This 92 Prelude, *on the stock JDM H22a, with GReddy header, *AEM cold air, *and 2.5&quot; exhaust and cheap stainless muffler.....was running 14.1s/9.2s at 97-98MPH on the street tires before I built it up. *Again, *considering the modifications that it now has, *not the least of which is a fresh full bottom end and full Skunk2 valvetrain...it is entirely believeable that he would be trapping out at even 102mph. *If he could get the car moving and sticking to the track.

One more thing before I go.... power to weight ratio.

The M5 is a 400hp car yes, *it is also a 4000+lb car. *The 92 Lude in it's condition is probably about a 2500lb car since it is mildly stripped. *The Lude and the M5 are probably making almost the same power to weight ratio...meaning I estimate the Lude to be over 200hp &quot;at the wheels&quot;, or about 240-250 &quot;at the crank&quot;. *The BMW is rated 400hp &quot;at the crank&quot; *

With suspension tuning and dyno tuning, *I'll prove it.

For those of you that discount power to weight ratio, *I offer up my former CRX HF. *ZC DOHC, *Stock bottom end, *stock cams, *mild JUN P&amp;P, and hellified tuning. *Lightened the car and designed my own coilover suspension. *The car weighed 1945lbs with me in the driver seat on the scales at Rockingham. *It made 132hp and 112ftlb on the dyno at Precision in Belmont, NC. *Ask each and every SS and Z28 and Cobra that I cut at the lights at Darlington and pulled 2 lengths before the 1/8. *Many times if they werent on the ball, *I'm the one that lit the win light...often trapping 97-98mph to their 103-104 playing catch up. *If they won, *it was just by a nose.

I averaged 1.8 60' in that car...best 1/8 8.7 and 1/4 13.89.

so there.... <img src="http://www.spartanburgracing.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> *<img src="http://www.spartanburgracing.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':O'> *<img src="http://www.spartanburgracing.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'>

Jeff</font>

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FWIW, &nbsp;there was a brand new M3 convertible/6 spd there last night. &nbsp;I raced him while driving a 300zxTT.

Beautiful car, &nbsp;he was running 13.90's all night long. &nbsp;He was a pretty good driver and the only mod on the car was an exhaust.. dunno what brand. &nbsp;He drove down from Charlotte to run, &nbsp;so he left before me and SaRa could run him. &nbsp;I beat him in the TT.

Jeff</font>

<font color='#000F22'>I believe ya...dont see what you would have to gain by saying otherwise...</font>

<font color='#000000'>Thanks COs....that is exactly my point. &nbsp;I just report the facts as I experience 'em...

Jeff</font>

<font color='#000000'>Is this prelude going to be at APP? &nbsp;I'll probably go and I want to see this lude. &nbsp;I know you don't gain anything about lying and #### but I find this hard 2 believe that is all. &nbsp;Im not hating on the game or the player ya heard? <img src="http://www.spartanburgracing.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'></font>

<font color='#000000'>power:weight doesnt matter as much at around 100 as drag:hp at that speed

youre still telling me youre walking regular C5 vettes with H/I/E and valvetrain..... hard to believe</font>

<font color='#000000'>I have said nothing about c5 vettes...what do you mean by that?

And the Lude was almost a 13sec car on the stock JDM h22a, &nbsp;so the balls to run with a c5 is not that far off. &nbsp;The Z06 vettes, now they run a 12.60 stock.

Myself, &nbsp;I'm dying to get a set of the new BFG KDWs and go play with the Z06s.....cant wait to hurt their feelings.

I didnt make it &nbsp;up to the area this weekend b/c of the rain, &nbsp;but we will be tripping up there soon. &nbsp;I'll make sure the Lude is with us.

Jeff</font>

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td>Quote (Guest @ Nov. 16 2002,15:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><font color='#000000'>I have said nothing about c5 vettes...what do you mean by that?</font></td></tr></table>
<font color='#000000'>M5s from a roll regularly walk just slightly on C5 M6 vettes</font>

<font color='#000000'>hmm... I know the M5 has top-end power...The C5 is up there as well.... I can see it happening I guess, &nbsp;but have you actually been fortunate enough to see an M5 and a C5 truly going at it? &nbsp;And how did you keep up to verify that it &quot;walked just slightly&quot;?

There is a C5 that goes to Darlington regularly, &nbsp;a white one with BBS rims. &nbsp;I havent run him yet, &nbsp;but I'm dying to. &nbsp;I have never tangled with one yet on the street or the track.

My car is about to get much faster..on the stock turbo. &nbsp;I'm going with a set of 550cc injectors. &nbsp;Should really fatten up the power, &nbsp;at least make it much safer. &nbsp;My AVCr has been showing a dangerous injector duty cycle since I have been running over 10psi. &nbsp;Once I get a custom rail I'm dropping in some Eclipse 550s (well, ones that we have used in an Eclipse). &nbsp;

I just need some DRs next.....12s are just a breath away <img src="http://www.spartanburgracing.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

Jeff</font>

<font color='#000000'>Stock turbo? &nbsp;I thought u sent it off to get worked by some special magic?</font>

<font color='#0000FF'>Why are you showing up as unregistered epik?</font>

<font color='#000080'>I beleive you too Eric. &nbsp;Just because the cars a 4 cylinder, dosn't mean its slow texas. &nbsp;not trying to piss u off, but I think your majorly underestimating the car. &nbsp;Predules are asmall, and with the right mods internal and bolts ons, can be extremely quick.

another augrement for power to weight...

My 240sx with a measely 155 hp will pull on a stock mustang GT on the interstate. &nbsp;low HP + low weight versus decent HP + high weight in the msutangs case.

Ive raced several stangs on then interstate, sn95s, foxes, even a cobra. &nbsp;the cobra was the only one that beat me, and it wasnt even by much. &nbsp;Also, not many stock GTs can push their selfs to over 145 mph. &nbsp;I know my 94gt was struggleing above 90. &nbsp;

all im saying is, maybe it was a m5, maybe his wife was driving, maybe the prelude is slow, and mabye its fast as crap, maybe this, maybe that, to many maybes.

I wouldnt underestimate a fully built h22a though. Its a large engine ( speaking in honda terms ) <img src="http://www.spartanburgracing.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> in a pretty small car.

I bet the lude has a better power:weight ratio then the bimmer does.

another perfect example : last thursday at greer.. &nbsp;that honda hatch running low low 8s ? &nbsp; thats a 1.8 liter car, and it ran .10 seconds faster then that viper that was there didnt it ? &nbsp;

Viper versus m5 , which do u think would win ?</font>

<font color='#000000'>That hatch was gutted, built and running 100 shot. *A gutted hatch weighs much less than the prelude. *Have you ever pulled on a 99+ gt allen? &nbsp;Those are pretty quick.
*All the other 4.6's arent that fast unless they are cobras. *Also pulling a 4.6gt doesn't really mean anything because I have seen an all motor integra ls pull one on the interstate.</font>

<font color='#000F22'>Run what you bring.</font>

<font color='#000000'>Van who's hatch was that?? &nbsp;The Guy?</font>

<font color='#000F22'>I heard there was one running 7s Thurs. &nbsp;Thats quick.</font>

<font color='#000000'>top end is not about power:weight ratio
top end is about power:drag ratio and gearing

its safe to say that the 240 has a better cD than a mustang

and yippe you hit 155.. i did it with ~10 less rwhp than i have now
stegall if you had good power to weight you would run 10+ second 1/8th miles in the 240... again showing my point about weight doesnt really affect topend <img src="http://www.spartanburgracing.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

and one last thing, i know about fast 4cyls, esp considering im always helping my roomate with his 12.6 @ 106 GSX</font>

<font color='#0000FF'>The mx7 will own all....maybe..sort of... or something... so there</font>

<font color='#0000FF'>nevermind...its going to be slow..I have a feeling</font>

<font color='#000000'>No clant, it was James Logan. &nbsp;He has had a 7 second pass before. &nbsp;I don't know what changed that week.</font>

<font color='#000080'>never pulled on a 99+ gt.

I was making a point that more engine dosnt techincaly amke it the faster car.

we cna augre this all day long. not going to do any thing but piss people off cus they get their feelings hurt.


Clint - It was James</font>

<font color='#000F22'>Ill pull all day on a most stock 99+ GTs. &nbsp;I've killed a few of my friends 99+ GTs then they do mods and smack my car down.</font>