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DarkAngelKamui
12-20-2006, 02:08 PM
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http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-pot18dec18,0,5264617.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Pot is called biggest cash crop

The $35-billion market value of U.S.-grown cannabis tops that of such heartland staples as corn and hay, a marijuana activist says.

SACRAMENTO — For years, activists in the marijuana legalization movement have claimed that cannabis is America's biggest cash crop. Now they're citing government statistics to prove it.

A report released today by a marijuana public policy analyst contends that the market value of pot produced in the U.S. exceeds $35 billion — far more than the crop value of such heartland staples as corn, soybeans and hay, which are the top three legal cash crops.

California is responsible for more than a third of the cannabis harvest, with an estimated production of $13.8 billion that exceeds the value of the state's grapes, vegetables and hay combined — and marijuana is the top cash crop in a dozen states, the report states.

The report estimates that marijuana production has increased tenfold in the past quarter century despite an exhaustive anti-drug effort by law enforcement.

Jon Gettman, the report's author, is a public policy consultant and leading proponent of the push to drop marijuana from the federal list of hard-core Schedule 1 drugs — which are deemed to have no medicinal value and a high likelihood of abuse — such as heroin and LSD.

He argues that the data support his push to begin treating cannabis like tobacco and alcohol by legalizing and reaping a tax windfall from it, while controlling production and distribution to better restrict use by teenagers.

"Despite years of effort by law enforcement, they're not getting rid of it," Gettman said. "Not only is the problem worse in terms of magnitude of cultivation, but production has spread all around the country. To say the genie is out of the bottle is a profound understatement."

While withholding judgment on the study's findings, federal anti-drug officials took exception to Gettman's conclusions.

Tom Riley, a spokesman for the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, cited examples of foreign countries that have struggled with big crops used to produce cocaine and heroin. "Coca is Colombia's largest cash crop and that hasn't worked out for them, and opium poppies are Afghanistan's largest crop, and that has worked out disastrously for them," Riley said. "I don't know why we would venture down that road."

The contention that pot is America's biggest cash crop dates to the early 1980s, when marijuana legalization advocates began citing Drug Enforcement Administration estimates suggesting that about 1,000 metric tons of pot were being produced nationwide. Over the years, marijuana advocates have produced studies estimating the size and value of the U.S. crop, most recently in 1998.

Gettman's report cites figures in a 2005 State Department report estimating U.S. cannabis cultivation at 10,000 metric tons, or more than 22 million pounds — 10 times the 1981 production.

Using data on the number of pounds eradicated by police around the U.S., Gettman produced estimates of the likely size and value of the cannabis crop in each state. His methodology used what he described as a conservative value of about $1,600 a pound compared to the $2,000- to $4,000-a-pound street value often cited by law enforcement agencies after busts.

In California, the state's Campaign Against Marijuana Planting seized nearly 1.7 million plants this year — triple the haul in 2005 — with an estimated street value of more than $6.7 billion. Based on the seizure rate over the last three years, the study estimates that California grew more than 21 million marijuana plants in 2006 — with a production value nearly triple the next closest state, Tennessee, which had an estimated $4.7-billion cannabis harvest.

California ranked as the report's top state for both outdoor and indoor marijuana production. The report estimates that the state had 4.2 million indoor plants valued at nearly $1.5 billion. The state of Washington was ranked next, with $438 million worth of indoor cannabis plants.

California also is among nine states that produce more cannabis than residents consumed, Gettman estimates. According to the National Survey on Drug Use and Health, the state's 3.3 million cannabis users represent about 13% of the nation's pot smokers. But California produces more than 38% of the cannabis grown in the country, the study contends.

Nationwide, the estimated cannabis production of $35.8 billion exceeds corn ($23 billion), soybeans ($17.6 billion) and hay ($12.2 billion), according to Gettman's findings.

DarkAngelKamui
12-20-2006, 02:14 PM
"I just shake my head when i read something like this. We spend billions of dollars to put up a fight against a drug that a crazy amount of Americans like to do. We could legalize this drug, take the money and apply it to Bushies' lost war, or to feed the homeless, or to rebuild New Orleans, or into research for alternate energies…. Instead, we waste money on the “war on drugs”, and let the dirty drug dealers reap huge profits b/c it’s sold on the black market…"

FDTHREES
12-20-2006, 03:04 PM
Weed/Pot/Marijuana should not be a Schedule 1 drug.

Beer/wine/liquor is 100X worse than Cannibus ever will be..

Making drugs illegal and the Harrison treaty have ruined how
drugs are controlled in the USA..

Instead of Taxing it to death, like they used to. They make it illegal
and causes a black market.

Discovery channel, is running a special on illegal drugs and the effect
and how it came to be.. Very informative..

FDTHREES
12-20-2006, 03:10 PM
Did you know it is against the constitution, to federally
make any drugs illegal??

To make a Drug illegal, the congress, have to pass laws
against a certain drug, which all made it impossible to ban
a substance..

But the USA entered into a treaty with other countries regarding
other countries drugs and commerce, which enabled law makers
to make certain drugs illegal.

Another way, the white man has circumvented the Constitution of the
United States of America. I think the forefathers were smarter than
any modern day law makers.. If the USA would of followed the steps
outlined in the constitution, there wouldn't be such a black market
and the negatives that goes with it.

LIke one person said.. Asprin can kill you if you take enough.
But 1 will make your head ache go away. Same thing with cocaine,
morphine, heroine and etc. If they weren't banned and were controlled
like other modern day prescription.. Modern day society would be
much better.. And like someone said, only way to control things by
the government is to controll it with TAXs..

One scholar said "if the original members would of known how things
would of been in todays society with banning drugs, they would
of never of made the Harrison treaty to ban drugs"

FDTHREES
12-20-2006, 03:13 PM
one last thing..

you know all the cliche's of people selling "snake oil"
Miracle drink and etc etc..

Actually they wre selling Morphine drinks, and Cocaine drinks
which were remedies for everytihng from pain to a cold.

So the SNake OIL was in actually some really GOOD SHIT.

aznpoopy
12-20-2006, 03:14 PM
Did you know it is against the constitution, to federally
make any drugs illegal??

To make a Drug illegal, the congress, have to pass laws
against a certain drug, which all made it impossible to ban
a substance..

But the USA entered into a treaty with other countries regarding
other countries drugs and commerce, which enabled law makers
to make certain drugs illegal.

Another way, the white man has circumvented the Constitution of the
United States of America. I think the forefathers were smarter than
any modern day law makers.. If the USA would of followed the steps
outlined in the constitution, there wouldn't be such a black market
and the negatives that goes with it.

LIke one person said.. Asprin can kill you if you take enough.
But 1 will make your head ache go away. Same thing with cocaine,
morphine, heroine and etc. If they weren't banned and were controlled
like other modern day prescription.. Modern day society would be
much better.. And like someone said, only way to control things by
the government is to controll it with TAXs..

One scholar said "if the original members would of known how things
would of been in todays society with banning drugs, they would
of never of made the Harrison treaty to ban drugs"

you need to cite some legal authority to make a claim like that.

i can think of a dozen ways congress could control or prevent the sale of drugs, the easiest of which is probably the interstate commerce clause.

FDTHREES
12-20-2006, 03:15 PM
one last thing.

did you know, Caffenine was almost labeled a Schedule I drug..

yes Caffeine..

aznpoopy
12-20-2006, 03:19 PM
so what? sale of lottery tickets were also banned in the United States back in the day because they were deemed immoral.

the laws change according to the culture of the time.

and it looks like law school paid off, because indeed Congress does regulate sale of marihuana through the interstate commerce clause.

Gonzales v. Raich 545 U.S. 1 (2005). The US Supreme Court held that Congress can ban marijuana even where states approve its use for medicinal purposes, under the power granted by the interstate commerce clause.

DarkAngelKamui
12-20-2006, 03:23 PM
Weed/Pot/Marijuana should not be a Schedule 1 drug.

Beer/wine/liquor is 100X worse than Cannibus ever will be..

Making drugs illegal and the Harrison treaty have ruined how
drugs are controlled in the USA..

Instead of Taxing it to death, like they used to. They make it illegal
and causes a black market.

Discovery channel, is running a special on illegal drugs and the effect
and how it came to be.. Very informative..

You get props in my book. Most people think bud has been illegal since the beginning of time, unbeknownst to the fact that it started as an Indian hemp plant that was grown for its THC uses till 1937 when the US formed the Marihuana Tax Stamp Act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1937_Marihuana_Tax_Act

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/History/whiteb1.htm (interesting read on the history of bud)

Misinformation + Big Business trying to keep their grip on products that would no longer be exclusive = This BS law

Cosby
12-20-2006, 03:54 PM
He misunderstood the show. I just watched it last night. Marijuana wasn't made illegal through that treaty. It was LSD and X in the beginning. I'm pretty sure prior to that only an act of congress could make drugs illegal and marijuana was already illegal at that point.

czarofzar
12-20-2006, 04:18 PM
I heard pot was made illegal to keep the mexicans out of arizona.

If someone wanted to fuck themselves up with drugs, no one would care in USA if they did it at home and only there. Seriously. No one cares.

I'm glad a lot of that shit is illegal. Hard stuff, from Coke on up, make people become big assholes, in case you never been around them at work. i can tolerate pot. Still give drug test and fire people. Keep it at home.

Anyway, war on drugs is necessary. Not winable, but controllable.

AmishBoy
12-20-2006, 05:04 PM
welfare

food stamps

hooking

stealing shit

DarkAngelKamui
12-20-2006, 05:33 PM
welfare

food stamps

hooking

stealing shit


Orrrrrr....

http://www.slatts.fsworld.co.uk/famous.htm

http://friendsofcannabis.com/

http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=4439

/stereotype

rtryb2200
12-20-2006, 06:57 PM
I find it really odd that I get pulled from random drug tests/ Breathalyzer at my part time job on days that I am not even working...I understand the drugs

wotnartd
12-20-2006, 07:12 PM
Over the summer I was in an accident at work and what happened was a fluke, seriously, a fluke, not my fault at all, but I was there, and took the damage. Do you know how hard it is to pee in a cup with one hand?

I don't see the deal with pot. It's less addictive than cigs and booze. Just makes no sense to me. I think masturbation is more addictive.

Ark2
12-20-2006, 08:00 PM
One of the things that I’ve always wondered about would be the potential fallout that would result from legalizing marijuana. I mean, you have a $35 billion criminal industry. Legalizing it would put these criminals out of a job. What might they move onto?

Usually, people who advocate legalizing pot are users, meaning that the fact that it’s illegal hasn’t deterred them. So what’s the big deal with wanting it legalized in the first place?

wotnartd
12-20-2006, 08:13 PM
One of the things that I’ve always wondered about would be the potential fallout that would result from legalizing marijuana. I mean, you have a $35 billion criminal industry. Legalizing it would put these criminals out of a job. What might they move onto?

Usually, people who advocate legalizing pot are users, meaning that the fact that it’s illegal hasn’t deterred them. So what’s the big deal with wanting it legalized in the first place?

I'm not a user.

Ark2
12-20-2006, 08:18 PM
I'm not a user.

Never said you were. Hence why I used the word "usually".

wotnartd
12-20-2006, 08:23 PM
I see....

DarkAngelKamui
12-20-2006, 10:17 PM
One of the things that I’ve always wondered about would be the potential fallout that would result from legalizing marijuana. I mean, you have a $35 billion criminal industry. Legalizing it would put these criminals out of a job. What might they move onto?

Usually, people who advocate legalizing pot are users, meaning that the fact that it’s illegal hasn’t deterred them. So what’s the big deal with wanting it legalized in the first place?

-: New job profession for black market
+: We'd stop wasting so much of our tax money on people locked up for possession charges. Less people in jail for bum crimes = less resources spent

-: Movement seems to be only talked about by "users"
+: Users include disabled people who'd like to use it as a medicinal. The big deal is when states have given the nod to people to use in special cases, yet the federal government is trying and convicting these very same people for having it.

Tofuball
12-21-2006, 06:56 AM
Seriously, if it were legal, I'd probably use it to make my joints and back stop hurting.

I think it should be legal, and taxed, but I've never even tried it.

I find it really odd that I get pulled from random drug tests/ Breathalyzer at my part time job on days that I am not even working...I understand the drugs

I hope they paid you for your time.

Legalizing it would put these criminals out of a job. What might they move onto?

Not really that much of an issue IMHO. They probably sell pot because they are afraid to sell real drugs. Or they DO sell real drugs too, and lace the pot with it. Legalizing pot just makes this government a little less hypocritical, a little richer, and the population a little happier (and more mellow :p).

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