I've always eaten pork and crustaceans. I've always made Sunday the Sabbath. Christmas and Easter have been getting somewhat bothersome over the last few years, theologically speaking. Maybe I've picked up some bad habits.

If you consider yourself to be a "Christian", have a look at this:

http://www.seedofabraham.net/law102.html

YZF and TofuBall, what do you guys think of this?

I am probably going to lose a few friends here and I am sorry about that. But I cant shake this of not being invited so ill just crash this party.

I am starting to think that you must enjoy living in fear, to qualify in believing in something that is no freaking way possible. There is no such thing as magic, folks. no one parted the red sea, raised the dead, calm the seas, and so on.

And this battle inside you, to seek a way into heaven? Holy split personality! Look man, you might as well blind yourself, remove your tongue, cut your balls off, and thrust ice pick in your ears to insure you are sinless when that day comes. That's right. Can't you see? A human vegetable has a better chance than you to get to heaven. A human vegetable is someone who cant think for themselves. And that is where you are going. havent you met people yet who exhibit this behaviour? That is you in a few more bible studies. Do you wish to become an idiot? I guess so. These vegetables look down at people and think there are devils inside us. they are unable to function outside their bible studies and are useless to mankind. btw, I'll be kicking sand at your face while you shield yourself with a bible (Hi yzf)

guys, I think religion has a purpose. And in itself does great work toward a person. But so does prison! Your hobby is taking up all your time and energy. You people are all good people and that is all the world can ask for. Give up reading the holy lie, stay in your church and care for the hopeless. I do that from time to time. They have it in a bad way. And that is what the true meaning of xtain. In fact, that is the true meaning of human behaviour. Care for each other.

I am starting to think that you must enjoy living in fear, to qualify in believing in something, that is no freaking way possible. There is no such thing as magic, folks. no one parted the red sea, raised the dead, calm the seas, and so on.

Then disprove what I have seen.

And remember, there is good, healthy fear, and there is bad fear. The only differene being if it is fear in the right thing. Examples:

Fear of walking out into the road without looking both ways. Good!
Fear of a close relationship with anyone from fear of getting hurt. Bad!

And this battle inside you, to seek a way into heaven? Holy split personality!

That's a very Catholic method of thinking. The works of man are not what get you into heaven. Just by accepting the payment Christ gave, is enough.


Look man, you might as well blind yourself, remove your tongue, cut your balls off, and thrust ice pick in your ears to insure you are sinless when that day comes.

It is true even the saints are sinners, and god will demand an accounting of our lifeblood (Gen 9:4-5). Yet, Christ was sinless. He gave us His blood, so that we might be without sin.

guys, I think religion has a purpose. And in itself does great work toward a person. But so does prison! Your hobby is taking up all your time and energy. You people are all good people and that is all the world can ask for. Give up reading the holy lie, stay in your church and care for the hopeless. I do that from time to time. They have it in a bad way. And that is what the true meaning of xtain. In fact, that is the true meaning of human behaviour. Care for each other.

And one of them, a lawyer, questioned Him, testing Him, and saying, Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law? And Jesus said to him,

"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind." This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

On these two commandments all the Law and the Prophets hang.

(Mat 22:35-40)

And remember, there is good, healthy fear, and there is bad fear. The only differene being if it is fear in the right thing. Examples:

Fear of walking out into the road without looking both ways. Good!
Fear of a close relationship with anyone from fear of getting hurt. Bad!


fear is the mindkiller. {Dune}

does god fear ?

no, because fear is wrong.

you need not fear what you can control, and fearing what you cannot control prevents you from trying to controll it with a clear mind.


that god openly works to inspire fear in humanity shows that he DOES fear, he fears a humanity that can stand up to his power and defy his dictates.

without minds clouded by fear and submission to authority.

Fear of the LORD is the begining of all wisdom.

no, because fear is wrong.

Just because God doesnt do it doesn't mean it's wrong.

Theres really not much logic in that statement.

[QUOTE=Tofuball]Fear of the LORD is the begining of all wisdom.[QUOTE]

fear of the LORD stops one from thinking about the THREAT of the LORD, in particular thinking about how to render the LORD harmless.

fear of the LORD is submission TO the threat, accepting it as right that you should BE threatened.

fine, if you are french. {french army Battle Flag - a white chicken on a field of fresh snow.}

fear as virtue, pride as vice.
honor to be found in slaughtering helpless women and children.

this moraality is not fit for mice much less humans, even a mouse will fight to the death to defend what is hers from overwhelming odds.

From the beginning, Christianity was nothing more than a political weapon. A group of 'rebels' if you will, insurgents, didn't like the Druidic, Roman, Greek, and Scandinavian (Nordic) cultures, so they elected a leader, borrowed from Judeism, and came up with something to destroy the pagan religions. Too bad they failed (OBOD ftw)

From the beginning, Christianity was nothing more than a political weapon. A group of 'rebels' if you will, insurgents, didn't like the Druidic, Roman, Greek, and Scandinavian (Nordic) cultures, so they elected a leader, borrowed from Judeism, and came up with something to destroy the pagan religions. Too bad they failed (OBOD ftw)

Ok...OBOD? better off dead?
and wtf are you talking about? you left like 4/5 th of the story out.

I still haven't figured out what 'Free The Whales' has to do with it ????

save the whales? are you on the right thread mister?

He's talking about "ftw"

OBOD: Order of Bards, Oviates and Druids. FTW: For the Win

OBOD: Order of Bards, Oviates and Druids. FTW: For the Win

Thanks for clarifying. These last 5 days have been pins and needles.

As long as I helped ease your tension.

Thanks for clarifying. These last 5 days have been pins and needles.
you said it ark.
yeah, and by the looks of things, itll be weeks before he finally clarifys his story. Kind of like playing chess over slow mail.

I've always wanted to play a game of chess with somone over slow mail.

The idea just appeals to me

No, I just don't come places often. What needs explaining? I think it was all explained already.

No, I just don't come places often. What needs explaining? I think it was all explained already.

Incorrect. Your story was not clear.

what you left was the introduction of...something. Therefore you left out the main body filled with facts, examples, etc, etc, and finally the conclusion.

For example, this is your statement in metophor: Rush limbaugh is a flaming homosexual. USA found they didnt like homos so they countered it with anti homo ad campaign. The battle still rages on even today so I believe they failed. The end.

Right? So what? Why do you say xtain thinking is a weapon? what source did you get this from? How did they hear about nordic cultures? is that an assumption? certainly you didnt pull this out of you butt. did you? Are you sure your audience is following you without giving examples? :blah:

Dont take my bitching to heart, of course. These people here will tell you I really suck at writing. But basically, you took a dump here without telling us what you ate beforehand. And you are leaving it for YZF to shift through it and telling us what he thinks is corn.

But making YZF shift through my corn shit is half the fun!

Christian thinking has decimated many cultures. As examples, I give you Celticism. I don't have any source links on hand, but any search on the terms "Celtic history" "Druid" or "Gaelic History" will turn up millions of results on how the Roman Catholic church, a large branch of Christianity, destroyed these cultures.
A search on "Scandinavian History" can tell you how the Roman Catholic empire pushed back and destroyed the Nordic Vikings.
The Crusades wiped out even MORE people.
Sorry for being vague, I'm not much of a writer.

Many of today's Christian ideals are bastardizations aimed at destroying (quite specifically) the Druid/Celtic culture.

In Druidism, it's not uncommon for Holley or Mistletoe to be used for healing properties (ironic: Mistletoe is poisonous!). For years after it's birth, Christianity forbade the use of either bush anywhere NEAR the church, stating it had "Demonic properties."

Samhain, the week in Druidism that the spirits are closest to the living world, was completely thrown off by the Christians, and made out to be MUCH more demonic. Today it's shortened to one day and called Halloween and Day of the Dead by two of the largest Christian cultures. Even the Jack-O-Lantern, which Christians say the Celtics used to ward off the dead, was a Christian invention.
The Druids and Celts were not afraid of the dead, and the Pumpkin is not native to the Irish islands.

Many years ago, a book called the Barddas was circulated with lots of false information defaming the Druidic and Bardic cultures. It was written by Iolo Morganwyg who was a Christian preacher.

Early Roman Catholic leaders often accused the Celtic cultures of sacrificing condemned criminals. Let it first be stated that the main figurehead and prophet of Christianity itself was 'sacrificed' in a similar manner.
It is also known, however, that there were punishments much worse than death for condemned criminals, the first of which was banishing from the community. Death at the 'stake' is a purely Christian way of thinking, and would NEVER be used by the Druids.

Early Christianity was headed by very pig headed males, and thus, the female was diminished in status. The Druids worshipped MANY female gods, and it was actually believed that intercourse was the female's right, not the male's. The "Fianna" was the main warrior in Druidic cultures, and was fierce, raised as a warrior from birth. All Fianna depicted in Roman Catholic art are quite ugly, whereas in Celtic art they are beautiful. It was likely that they weren't as beautiful as depicted, but the Catholic fear of these 'warrior women' likely caused them to defame them in a very modern way.

I have a lot more, but this post is getting a little long.

Many years ago, a book called the Barddas was circulated with lots of false information defaming the Druidic and Bardic cultures. It was written by Iolo Morganwyg who was a Christian preacher.

This is the only attack that you've posted thus far and (if true) it outlines the actions of one man who happens to be Christian. So what? If a single member of the Druidic culture wrote a book deframing Christianity, would it depict a vendetta against Christains held by all Druids?

The rest of your points show disagreements held by Christians which prompted rules affecting, guess who? Christians. Please explian to me how labeling mistletoe as demonic and not allowing it near the Catholic Church hurt the Celtic culture. I'm not saying that it doesn't but once again you've failed to make any connections here.

how about a game online? ;)

My dad does that all the time.

Sure, I havent played in a long time though.

the Roman Catholic church, a large branch of Christianity

Hey, that was really offensive. You take that back!

Cartman is always trying to get someone to play chess with him online.

The banning of certain things was used merely to make people fear the Celtics, and thus lead them to hunt them down and destroy them (ever heard the term witch hunt?)

Indeed.

Yet it is so amazing how many thousands of manuscripts survived their efforts, even to this day. Especially since it was the death penalty for anyone who would dare to keep them, especially "not in the 'original latin.'"

It's also amazing to see how the power of the so-called "church" crumbled quickly with the release of the King James Bible.

The truth will set you free.

interesting that the Bible was banned through much of the middle ages by none other than.............the "holy" Roman Catholic church

Yet it is so amazing how many thousands of manuscripts survived their efforts, even to this day. Especially since it was the death penalty for anyone who would dare to keep them, especially "not in the 'original latin.'"


equally amazing that not one single original manuscript written by an apostle survived, what, 300 years, so that the very first "bible" had to use copies and translations as its 'source documents'.

equally amazing that not one single original manuscript written by an apostle survived, what, 300 years, so that the very first "bible" had to use copies and translations as its 'source documents'.

Nothing is lost in a copy.

It's like saying that the little quote box above my text, that contains your words, and says "Originally Posted by honegod" has lost it's original meaning because it is a copy.

Nothing is lost in a copy.

It's like saying that the little quote box above my text, that contains your words, and says "Originally Posted by honegod" has lost it's original meaning because it is a copy.

or like a new set of children is a suitable replacement for the original set that 'got killed' . {job}

who was the prophet equal to moses inspired by god to gather the exact books to create the first bible ?

300 years after the 'fact'.

was there a last book that needed to be written holding up the works ?

or like a new set of children is a suitable replacement for the original set that 'got killed' . {job}

That has nothing to do with the topic at hand

who was the prophet equal to moses inspired by god to gather the exact books to create the first bible ?

300 years after the 'fact'.

was there a last book that needed to be written holding up the works ?


Who knows, before they committed it to writing. 300 years isnt that long a time for information to travel. Allow me to provide an example.

The song "Ring around the Rosey, Pocket full of Posey, Ashes, Ashes, all fall down" is far, far older then 300 years, yet millions of people know the lyrics exactly the same. . .

If you start singing it wrong, somone will immediately notice.

"Ping aground the posey, socket full of rosey, smashes, splashes, we'll all crawl down . . . "

Nothing is lost in a copy.

It's like saying that the little quote box above my text, that contains your words, and says "Originally Posted by honegod" has lost it's original meaning because it is a copy.

Unfortunately this is assuming a perfect copy. Scribes did not have the benefit of copy-paste. The arduousness of the task of copying even one of the scriptures is bound to have created mistakes. If Johannes Gutenberg had been around 1600 years sooner we might have an accurate version of the scriptures. The Dead Sea scrolls are the closest thing to accurate we have, and those are missing a great deal of information.

Don't base your faith off a book, a work of man, base it off your heart.

not surprising at all, considering the extremely frail nature of goat skin and papyrus

the only reason the Dead Sea Scrolls survived that long is the unusually arid conditions

nonetheless, God has preserved His Word, and discoveries like the scrolls prove it

and a miraculous preservation spell on the holy words of god would be too streightforward, too injurious to the need for faith.

I approve of this message :P

An honest question here: Blind faith is a requirement of a true believer correct?

Why, then, do Christians always try to prove their faith? Doesn't that make it flawed?

One of my problems with Christianity, and why I ultimately decided it wasn't for me, was because of inconsistencies between the message and its practitioners.

I don't consider my faith "blind", I consider it to be rooted in logic, although faith is certainly a component

but your eyes have been opened, so you are ABLE, allowed, to see the secret inner structure and logic of reality that is hidden from the rest of us.

not, mind you, just not noticed, deliberatly hidden using magic tricks and lies to keep the secret.

a scientist who relies on reality to tell the truth is certain to be fooled, the same way scientists are easily fooled by stage magicians.
misdirection, so even though the measurements are honest, since the magician got the scientist to measure the wrong thing the numbers have nothing to do with what happened.

you are in on the trick.

lucky you.


Point 1: I can know without a doubt the Universe was created by a supremely intelligent and powerful Being, far outstripping any human mind....absolutely logical in every sense....microbes to man and a "big bang" is ANTI-logic, I don't care how many atheists/agnostics line up behind it, or how many letters follow their names, they are all complete fools, who worship themselves and human wisdom (which is coming to nothing)


fools because they foolishly believe that the universe is honest, when it is really designed and operated, by satan, specifically to fool them, for the glory of the LORD.


Point 2: I know the scriptures aren't just a random collection of writings that just happened to be preserved for 3500 years, the archeological and geologic evidence reinforcing the Biblical accounts is compelling, and the words of scripture simply make sense to me and what I see of the world, including human behavior...God taking the form of a Man to bridge the vast gulf between Himself and fallen humanity is also logical (and beautiful)...it all just fits...what's the alternative? "millions of years" of "goo to you"? an angry Allah? be your own god? that's no alternative, it's just dumb

the beauty of brutal murder for the glory of god.

3500 years of bloody war on humanity.


I don't think anyone is trying to prove anything, God will take care of that in due course....but we do attempt to convince people to "be reconciled to God", while there is still time

reconciled as in resigned to their fate as cannon fodder designed for hell after losing a war they never started.


but, ultimately, it's you and God, all finger pointing and armchair assessments of others is eliminated when you face the Creator yourself, in a very personal and intimate encounter, where God reviews your life with YOU (yeah, you) in every detail, no one else is there....every word you have ever spoken is known to God, every act, it's all recorded, and you are responsible for it (and so am I)...who can possibly measure up to the Standard?

he is stronger than you so whatever he says goes.



in light of that sobering reality, I suggest you worry about your own fate and not the "hypocrites" that disgust you...and who knows what their relationship to Christ really is, no matter how many times they may say they are "Christian"...only God knows, so let God deal with them

here's a hint: your sin is also disgusting to God

by their fruits...

I don't know why people avoid the religion section, its more fun than a barrel of monkeys.

3500 years of bloody war on humanity.

by their fruits...

3500years of pulling the temple down on your own head to kill the enemies of the LORD.

note, they do not have to be against god for god to be against them, god is against EVERYBODY with a select few exceptions.

weeel, how else can I add something to what I posted when the 1 hour 'edit your post' deadline has passed ?

"3500 years of bloody war on humanity.

3500years of pulling the temple down on your own head to kill the enemies of the LORD.

note, they do not have to be against god for god to be against them, god is against EVERYBODY with a select few exceptions.

by their fruits... "

how your god set us up for moslem suicide bombers acting in HIS name.

it is a war....war brings out the good in some

good, as defined as the willingness to murder your own son. {abraham}

the only good that war inspires is the will to make the bloodshed stop.

which is opposed to the will of god which is that the war escalate until everybody is a killer. a willing killer.

War. . .

War never changes.

The end of the world happend pretty much as we expected it to...

"The Long War Against God"

a must-read book by Henry Morris

read it after you read "The Long War Against Humanity" AKA "The Holy Bible" so you will be up to speed on the required blood sacrifices.