Just a game but yes, someone you know said the below and I will quote others that I will submit later. have fun...


I condemn false prophets, I condemn the effort to take away the power of rational decision,
to drain people of their free will - and a hell of a lot of money in the bargain. Religions vary in their degree of idiocy, but I reject them all.
For most people, religion is nothing more than a substitute for a malfunctioning brain

Gene Roddenberry

Simple Google search

One one end you've Gene Roddenberry - on the other there's the openly cynical L. Ron Hubbard. What's amazing is that Hubbard never hid the fact that he started Scientology as a way to make money; for his 'followers' it seems more important to be a part of that religious community than the religion itself.

IMHO a lot of religious 'worship' is displaced tribalism. You dress, act, and believe a certain way because those around you do, and you crave their acceptane. For all the talk of God and Jesus, how much do the born-agains of gaudy Revival tent meetings have in common with monks? One group encourages yelling and shouting, whipping the flock into a froth of 'reverence', while the other encourages silence and bad haircuts. Neither of which has anything to do with God or the Bible.

In fact, in a recent study it was determined that the less satisfied a person was with their lives and their own identity, the more likely they were to 'find religion" as a way of fitting in - whether that religion be born-again Christianity or hanging out in airports trying to get people to buy the literature of Reverend Moon.

One one end you've Gene Roddenberry - on the other there's the openly cynical L. Ron Hubbard. What's amazing is that Hubbard never hid the fact that he started Scientology as a way to make money; for his 'followers' it seems more important to be a part of that religious community than the religion itself.

IMHO a lot of religious 'worship' is displaced tribalism. You dress, act, and believe a certain way because those around you do, and you crave their acceptane. For all the talk of God and Jesus, how much do the born-agains of gaudy Revival tent meetings have in common with monks? One group encourages yelling and shouting, whipping the flock into a froth of 'reverence', while the other encourages silence and bad haircuts. Neither of which has anything to do with God or the Bible.

In fact, in a recent study it was determined that the less satisfied a person was with their lives and their own identity, the more likely they were to 'find religion" as a way of fitting in - whether that religion be born-again Christianity or hanging out in airports trying to get people to buy the literature of Reverend Moon.

I wanted to thank both of you for replying.

The point to this thread was the next entry, which is below:

A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.

Albert Einstein

Is it me or is this one an atheist? One of the greatest minds for sure.

I like this quote below:

If God has spoken, why is the world not convinced.

Percy Bysshe Shelley


I agree with what your wrote, manntis. There is a lot of soul searching going on out there. I can see small churches gathering new people monthly from dissatisfied church goers from other churches. I wonder what the 'turn around' average for people to go elsewhere for their godly satisfaction? Yup, inner politics, swashbuckling to be the head minister and fucking pissing off members who'll say... "I feel that God has left this ministry. I'll go find another."

Hey Friar Tuck, let me direct your attention to this thread which needs your immediate input...

http://www.theforumlounge.com/thread8617-the-mark-strong-combover.html

http://www.timemachinetoys.com/toypics/friartuck.JPG

LOL at Manntis' edit.

that goes both ways: you have to be humble enough to acknowledge sin, the proud will never be accepted by God..."God knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile"

well, therein lies your first problem--you have no humility....arent you the same guy that has repeatedly declared that you sin less than others, and that your sin is smaller in magnitude as well? "you have to be humble enough to acknowledge sin".....when do ya think youre gonna start that one??


there is a section for that stuff, this isn't it

useless mods: make up the rules as they go along, and then change them at random!

if I posted that, it would last about 5 seconds

you dont seem to have any problem in this section changing the quotes of others yourself, so if this isnt the place for it, what is your excuse? hmmm.....

oh, and in keeping with this thread, marky, guess who said this:

And I'm not only the hair club president, but I'm also a client

off topic psycho jonnie

the mission: throw rocks while denying my own sin, until I find myself in hell

wrong, it isnt off topic-- it was a direct reply to your post, genius. now, how about you actually address what was said instead of acting like youre still in the second grade??

ignore it all you like, but just like that roid-induced receding hairline, nothing will be accomplished unless you actually do something about it.

I have no pity for you, or where you will end up with this attitude. On a lighter note, you will finally get to see what a weenie looks like!! Since your roid experience has left you, well, permanently changed, lets just say...

off topic

and more false accusations: I've never touched steroids, although I'm somewhat flattered you think that I do

why??

roids dont make you look any good, especially if you take them and then stop. They do far more harm than good...witness your hairline and your johnson both pulling back to meet each other somewhere around your sphincter. Why would you be flattered that someone thinks you use something that makes your dick go away and makes you look like a caveman??

youre pathetic

well, you have no dick, and now you have no hair....coincidence??? I think not....

even your family has admitted that you took roids....dont kid yourself

you seem very preoccupied with my complete lack of appendage


fixed

roids will do that to ya...same as your hair. Your hair must be French, the way it's running away from the front lines....

One one end you've Gene Roddenberry - on the other there's the openly cynical L. Ron Hubbard. What's amazing is that Hubbard never hid the fact that he started Scientology as a way to make money; for his 'followers' it seems more important to be a part of that religious community than the religion itself.

IMHO a lot of religious 'worship' is displaced tribalism. You dress, act, and believe a certain way because those around you do, and you crave their acceptane. For all the talk of God and Jesus, how much do the born-agains of gaudy Revival tent meetings have in common with monks? One group encourages yelling and shouting, whipping the flock into a froth of 'reverence', while the other encourages silence and bad haircuts. Neither of which has anything to do with God or the Bible.

In fact, in a recent study it was determined that the less satisfied a person was with their lives and their own identity, the more likely they were to 'find religion" as a way of fitting in - whether that religion be born-again Christianity or hanging out in airports trying to get people to buy the literature of Reverend Moon.

A lot of people go to "Church" just to fit in, hang out, etc. Most of these people just talk the talk and make some friends. They can even hold a bit of a 'religious discussion' with you for a little while.

They'll go to "Church" on Sunday, and feel better about themselves, yay.




You're obviously not fooled by them. God isn't fooled either.




Hear the word of the LORD,You rulers of Sodom; Give ear to the law of our God, You people of Gomorrah:

To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices to Me? Says the LORD.

I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams And the fat of fed cattle.
I do not delight in the blood of bulls, Or of lambs or goats. When you come to appear before Me, Who has required this from your hand, To trample My courts?

Bring no more futile sacrifices; Incense is an abomination to Me.
The New Moons, the Sabbaths, and the calling of assemblies

I cannot endure iniquity and the sacred meeting.
Your New Moons and your appointed feasts My soul hates;
They are a trouble to Me, I am weary of bearing them.

When you spread out your hands, I will hide My eyes from you;
Even though you make many prayers, I will not hear.

Your hands are full of blood.

Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean;
Put away the evil of your doings from before My eyes.
Cease to do evil,
Learn to do good;
Seek justice,
Rebuke the oppressor;
Defend the fatherless,
Plead for the widow.


Come now, and let us reason together, Says the LORD,
Though your sins are like scarlet, They shall be as white as snow;
Though they are red like crimson, They shall be as wool.

A lot of people go to "Church" just to fit in, hang out, etc. Most of these people just talk the talk and make some friends. They can even hold a bit of a 'religious discussion' with you for a little while.

They'll go to "Church" on Sunday, and feel better about themselves, yay.




You're obviously not fooled by them. God isn't fooled either.

ahh, tofu, so you've met Marky???

you just described him to a T....no other explanation is available for the way he tries so hard to hide how he really is from the church he goes to....

that goes both ways: you have to be humble enough to acknowledge sin, the proud will never be accepted by God..."God knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile"

except that is a quote from satan, not god.

god wants people not slaves, it is satan who wants people to humble themselves before him as slaves, to worship at his feet like dogs.

god wants people who can stand beside him as his children to carry on his good work.

cower in fear at the feet of your master oh cowardly dog, he might kick you to show you his love.

the proud will never be accepted by God...

Wow, then you're fucked. Oh, wait, you're not proud, your egotistical and condescending. Maybe you will be accepted after all.

Of course, if you're going to Heaven, then I definitely don't want to be there.

Everyone who wants to spend eternity with Mark, raise your hands!

(crickets chirping)

Yep, thought so.

"God knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile" is Satan talking?

absolutely.

god built the universe specifically in a shape that humanity would be capable of figuring out with the intellect he gave us.


Satan loves human wisdom! he feeds it! he knows what a deception it is

satan loves human RELIGION, he creates it specifically to DISTRACT us from figuring out the puzzle that god set before us.

the whole middle east thing does NOTHING for humanity, it only glorifies satan, and proves mankind unworthy of gods gift of a puzzle worthy of a species as great as we are.

armageddon is a creation of satan to show that his religious fools are more powerful than the godly scientists who are uninterested in satans lies and trickery.

creationism being a current deceit satan is using to block mankind from gods path of truth, on which Evolution is a stepping stone.

yes

so, I don't understand the link with satan

humanism is a refelction of innate human pride more than anything else, satan doesn't have to do much of anything in that category

Armageddon is strictly God's intervention, He cause Israel to be invaded at the right time

satan opposes Biblical truth by any means possible, simple as that

satan WROTE THE BIBLE, old and new testaments, the koran, and all other "religious" writings.

his goal is to distract you from gods reality by convincing you that god wants you to read Truth from a book of fairytales.

and to make war on people who read THEIR Truth from a different book of fairytales written by the same author, solely to create the hate we see.

yes, but we love you DESPITE you posting the "same old garbage".

someday maybe you will realize that your head is full of the same old garbage and m

I'm intolerant of error, which fools misconstrue as pride

And I'm intolerant of bullshit, which is why I keep banning you. :D

no, you're a witch who hates the Truth...nothing more, nothing less

you have no power whatsoever over me, except on this little joke of a forum

LOL.

I don't hate the Bible. I am perfectly content to let those who worship it continue to do so. The fact that I have no use for it doesn't make me hate it. In fact, I don't hate anything.

Nor do I want to have "power" over you. I would like you to realize that there are other human beings on this planet, and no matter what their religion, they deserve to be treated with some respect, but, unfortunately, you're so boxed in by your fight for Truth, Justice, and the Jesus Way that you can't see it.

good post (except I am convinced you hate the Bible)



LOL. I'm convinced you hate most other human beings.

And, I'll moderate the forum the way I moderate the forum. Don't like it? Leave.

someday you'll realize the Bible is the Word of the Living God

nope, the bible is a collection of evil loons rambling about their hallucinations.
the koran is one evil loon rambling about his hallucinations.

despite what those loons tell you, mass murder is evil, and dying is not a good thing.

if there really was a 'living god' that the bible is the words of, he would be eviller than bill gates, who is eviller than satan.

:bowdown: :screwyou:

in your opinion

Why is it that you apply the term "in your opinion" so easily to others, and pitch the biggest wahhmbulance fit if anyone tries to apply it to you?

Believers will respond to the Truth immediately. In my opinion, pouring water out on the desert floor is no different than trying to give the Word to people who just don't want it. No need to let something precious go to waste.

Debating which belief system is correct can go nowhere. Debate is an exercise in logic, and faith is not logical. The only true measure of a belief system's merit is the effect it has on the believer. The one right belief system will produce a higher level of human existence for the faithful.

Note that many satanic cults have imitated the true Body of Christ in order to confuse the Truth (roman catholic inquisition and crusades for example). True followers of the One True God yield measurable improvement from His grace. But it definitely takes work to deny oneself in order to keep on the narrow path of obedience.

because 99% of the time, it's not my opinion, which is why I post scripture so often, to back up the talk

you dont back up your talk with anything but more talk.

So you post scripture, so what? Others post scripture that show your actions to so often be wrong, and you ignore it or make excuses....so you posting scripture is worthless if you cannot apply ALL scripture to yourself and your daily life FIRST.

in other words, "don't give your pearls to swine"

however, more than just a few members view this forum

And since you, in your infinite wisdom, have repeatedly called this place a total waste of your time, and constantly comment that you are the lone eagle surrounded by fools here, you have obviously worn out your stay. Do as God commands and shake the dust off your feet as you leave. If you dont, you are not following your one claimed doctrine.

because 99% of the time, it's not my opinion, which is why I post scripture so often, to back up the talk

Eh... I guess that flies.

Though if I posted up Marx you'd say that he was only right in my opinion.

because 99% of the time, it's not my opinion, which is why I post scripture so often, to back up the talk

the problem is that an unknown percentage of the time the scripture you post does not say what you think it says.

it says what I think it says.

you have spent so much time studying the scriptures, reading what other people think the scripture says, along with their carefully reasoned explanations for why they think it means whatever, that you can post

"and he did as he had vowed"

and KNOW you posted "he did anything BUT what he had vowed"


so when you post "and he did as he had vowed" to back up your statement that he did NOT do as he had vowed, everybody who is just reading the words you post gets all confused, not seeing the context that you have wrapped the words in.

confused, or confirmed in the opinion that you are an idiot because you can't read plain english even when you post it.

after 20 years of study, I'm infinitely more qualified than you to make that determination

No you're not. You've proven repeatedly to have a reading comprehension problem.

parroted nonsense from your buddy

No. Your reading comprehension problem is well documented.

your obstinate behavior is well documented

Off topic!

in your opinion

after 20 years of study, I'm infinitely more qualified than you to make that determination

not infinitely, infinity is god territory, measurably more qualified I can accept.

fine, so after another 20 years of study do you think you will be even more knowlegable than you are now ?

is there a finish line where study is done because you have achieved perfect understanding of the bible ?

{before you die, that is :D }

I don't think so, I think it is an infinite task that cannot ever be completed by a mortal man.


so my initial statement "an unknown percentage of the time the scripture you post does not say what you think it says." stands as an absolute truth.

otherwise you could stop studying now.

how much more study do you think it will take for you to believe that "he did as he had vowed" means "he did as he had vowed" ?

you left out an important point: Biblical discernment is a spiritual gift, and therefore, to the unregenerate mind, anything in the Bible is nonsense...

You left out an important point yourself--the fact that biblical discernment is a gift that is NOT given to you 100% at any time. As you just agreed, no man can completely comprehend the Word. Therefore, what he said about your posting scriptures is, by default, necessarily true.


why? he was spiritually DEAD

and so are you

For someone who is supposedly chosen to go to those who are "spiritually dead" and help them with compassion, you sure are one to revel in the concept of someone you dont like being "spiritually dead"....way to counter God's instruction with your own pride...again....

spiritual gits are irrevocable

hey retard--no one disputed that. What I said was that the spiritual gift of discernment is INCOMPLETE. This means that, even by your own admission, no one person fully understands everything in the bible. Thanks for playing. Oh, and next time, at least try to be intelligent enough to address what was actually said to you, rather than making shit up as you go just so you can have a reply.

but those outside the faith do not understand anything spiritual

it's the "have" and the "have nots"

only God is perfect in knowledge....and to whoever has, more will be given

MORE, not ALL, genius. At least not while the chosen are still humans. Funny thing--you wont ever know, the way you constantly ignore what God has commanded of you....

EDIT--one more thing. "those in the faith" are tasked with bringing as many of "those outside" IN....instead of following Gods plan, you think it best to mock, insult, and condemn those that you decide are outside, which clearly goes agaiunst the mission God supposedly created you for. What of that? And this time, dont try to change the topic with some bullshit insult--it is a serious question that you constantly hide from.....how bout it?

talk to jeff, he became a Christian in part because of my influence

most people will reject the Truth, that's just the way it is

who is Jeff?

as many as are called, an important distinction

only God can change someone's mind...the carnal mind cannot respond to God's Word

BUT--being as you are not privy to the list of who is accepted and who isnt, YOUR task is NOT to select for yourself whom you THINK you should reach out to and who you should write off, THATS THE DIFFERENCE. YOUR task was set forth as "go and make disciples of all nations"....it was NOT set as "go and pick and choose who YOU think is worthy and fuck the rest, treat all others like shit". THIS IS WHERE YOU FAIL. Only God Himself knows this information, yet you think you have the right and authority to determine this yourself?!? Pick one disciple from the bible--any one--and tell me WHO THEY REACHED OUT TO WITH COMPASSION. Didnt they ALL reach out to the people they liked as well as those they didnt? Didnt they also conduct themselves only in a manner that glorified God? sorry, charlie, but no dice.

Saul is a perfect example--Ananias did not want to do as God commanded because of Saul's reputation, but he did anyways because GOD CHOOSES....

that means YOU DO NOT.

obonoxious ranting in all caps with profane speech

and yet still in perfectly plain english....yet you choose to be ignorant instead of acknowledging your failures like a man....