Former Enron CEO Kenneth Lay died of a heart attack. He was 64 years old.
"Kenny Boy", as El Presidente Bush liked to call his buddy, was undoubtedly one of the greediest cocksuckers of our time.

Did God call him to judgement, or not?
Or was it karma?

-What's the common human element for the arguement against each of these?...
That Ken Lay did not suffer enough.

Once the anger of man contaminates the purity of any religion or faith, even the most relaxed and simple philosophy of karma then becomes about judgement, vengeance, and retribution.

All faiths are about the hope or faith that everyone will get what they deserve.

Trouble is, we got whackos like Mark Strong deciding what people deserve.

" 'Deserves' ain't got nutt'in to do with it."

But, I heard he found Jesus on his deathbed (under the covers???) and has been absolved of all wrong doing.

and ur soul will fly so fast to hell that u will sling past satan and go through china to the chinese heaven.

Better get use to horizontal labias.......

so whats avaible in chiense heaven?

free access to heaven?

heck.

that's like getting the best of both worlds.

fuck and reign in hell.

serve in heaven.

execute judgement? he's in hell. already done.

But, I heard he found Jesus on his deathbed (under the covers???) and has been absolved of all wrong doing.
What, Ken Lay was Catholic? :lol:

we all deserve hell...we need to be saved from none other than God Himself, Who alone is perfectly Holy and JustEhhhh, speak fer yerself there, Skippy. I don't deserve hell, and your god is FAR from just. He can lick my ass!

so....knowing this, God appointed Christ to die as our substitute, He bore the shame and endured the cross, despising the shame...it pleased God to bruise Him...His own son! an amazing statementYes, "amazing"...I get goose bumps every time I read it cause it's so...amazing.
Just makes such PERFECT sense. I mean really, what other choice did GOD have? -It wasn't like he could do much else, right. His hands really were tied in the matter.

...Cept fer the fact that he's, uhmmm... GOD!

But no, I can totally see yer point about the whole gift-of-sacrifice thing. Makes total sense. :rolleyes:

no other religion teaches that, they teach that god is vengeful, but if you do enough good works or ceremonies you might appease his wrath, or that you can be your own god and get to a "higher state of consciousness", both of which are untrueNo other religion has followers quite like you, Skippy. You're exemplary of the type of moron needed for such a cult to turn into mindless drones that will believe such tripe.
(-& fer God's sake, be careful! -You came very close to calling your faith in God a "religion". "Ooooooooooh Boogity-boogity-BOOOO!" :bigthumb: )

Yes, be proud.
...So the rest of us can see you more easily and thus avoid you.

(There are easier ways to be lonely, you know.)

What, Ken Lay was Catholic? :lol:

*zing!!!* LOL

You would pretty much be the only person worthy of attending church then, according to you.

Tell me, Skippy...
Just how many people do you personally know are worthy enough not to be cast out by your church of the ChristiaNazi?

sounds like he was roman catholic
WRONG ! he went to church right down the street from me.

"Ken Lay was remembered as an honest man dedicated to his family and to God today as more than a thousand friends, former employees and dignitaries packed the First United Methodist church for the former Enron chief's Houston memorial service."
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/special/enron/4042498.html

well that's sad, then....there are an amazing number of "churches" (so called) in 2006 that do not follow the Biblical model of church discipline

And here's a nice blanket statement, made with zero firsthand knowledge.

actually I have plenty of experience with lukewarm churches....they are everywhere

Really? List them. From now on, every random blanket statement you make, I'm going to ask you to back it up with actual facts.

You need to learn that you can't do that, Mark. You can't just make blanket statements without having anything to substantiate it. Sure, you could do that if you were talking to morons, but since most of us here aren't, if you throw up an opinion about anything, you better have some semblance of reason behind it. If you haven't actually been to a service at a church, then your opinion about their teaching means absolutely nothing. If you haven't personally read a book, then your opinion of it means nothing. If you haven't done your research, if you're are only regurgitating the crap from AIG, then your take on things means nothing.

Ignorance is dangerous, Mark.

kev-dog, you're still a earring wearing WITCH, you're nothing

Uhhmm, -Did you call him that when you appealed to him to tell me to remove your name from my signature?

Eh-eh. Careful now, Skippy. You probably don't want to play the "Rules is rules" game, because you'll lose.
You can wag yer finger all day afterwords and exclaim that "they've all done it before!", but that won't matter one bit if you've done it in the past before, then cried about others breaking rules, then doing it again yourself.

Being a "double" hypocrite won't cancel out your hypocrisy! :lol:

lol

so now you believe, because you know more about human blood than anyone here, that everything AIG says is wrong? and everything I say is wrong?

I want to see actual proof, other than "the Bible says so".

wow, you're always been an arrogant punk, but you're acting like a little girl here....tell you what, kev-dog, you're still a earring wearing WITCH, you're nothing

I don't wear an earring. And notice, again, you think calling me a WITCH is an insult. That's like me looking at you and saying "You CHRISTIAN!"

....you're still so far away from the truth you might as well be trapped on a desert island somewhere studying the blood of dead fish on the beach

Ok, that was just stupid.

talk to me about blood types all day and I'll just steamroll your irrelvant crap with what is going on in Israel RIGHT NOW, which PROVES the Bible is as real as your next breath

eat it...

Really? How exactly does Israel going around trying to bully people because they know their big brother, the US, will bail them out prove a thing? Oh yeah, it doesn't.

yes, I have attended many churches in this area, many weak and essentially dead churches....want me to prove that? I can't, neither can you disprove it

Yes, that's fine. You can say that, and I'll trust your opinion on it. I, however, will combat your assertion that "well that's sad, then....there are an amazing number of "churches" (so called) in 2006 that do not follow the Biblical model of church discipline" by saying you are lumping in churches of which you have no firsthand knowledge. That's basic logic, Mark. You have a circle in which you are knowledgable. It's a small circle, comparatively, to the number of churches in the world. Stick to that circle. No more generalizations, please.

it's pretty common knowledge, actually, among many pastors I listen to

OK, that's their opinion. What about the pastors you don't listen to?

Or, better yet, how about going out and making up your own opinion, instead of relying on others to give it to you?

um....Israel defends itself just fine

:blah: :lmfao: :rofl: Sure they do. With American equipment, American co-operation... You need to remember that Israel the country has only been around for about 60 years. Who the fuck are they to start dictating to people?

it's also based on my first hand experience....that wasn't good enough for you

If you had said "In the churches I've attended, many are weak or lacking in..." I would have accepted it as your opinion, and that would have been that. But, when you make blanket statements like you do, I'm gonna pounce on them.

If I said "All Audis are unreliable pieces of shit", that would be an untruth. If I said, "The Audi I own has been an unreliable piece of shit, I'll never buy another one", that is 100% factual from MY experience.

Do you understand me yet?

I'm not denying God has used the U.S. as a hedge for Israel....no surprise, since we were at one time a nation founded on Biblical principles (don't bother arguing this, we aren't going there)

Yep, this country was founded on Biblical principles. Not gonna argue it.

I don't think "God" has anything to do with it. I think it's the fact that Israel thinks they can get away with it because of US support that they pull the shit they pull. Same deal with GWB and the invasion of Iraq. He thought he could get away with it because of A) overwhelming public support of the original "war on terror", and B) he thought he had the support of multiple other nations.

If Israel found themselves with no allies and no backup, I doubt they would be behaving the way they are.

Israel has a formidable military....and they have nukes

Ok, that's great. Do you honestly think Israel would be allowed to go nuclear? If they did, the entire world, U.S. included, would turn against them.

"allowed"?

if nuclear warfare ever occurs, it will escalate so rapidly no one will have time to "allow" anything

Nuclear war will always begin with the threat of nuclear war. It's called "rattling the saber". No rational human being will EVER push the button first.

All faiths are about the hope or faith that everyone will get what they deserve.



Not true.

Buddhist faith = hope for freedom from attachment and complete stillness of mind

Evolutionist faith = hope for an explanation to the chaotic nature of living things, infinite universe, etc.

Faith in Christ = complete realization of our inability to ever match the ideal which we seek: perfection in spirit, kindness, compassion, freedom from malicious intent, worldly greed, vanity, and the rise and passing of human trends. The bible was not intended for us to read so as to judge each other, but to direct us to our savior who will soon make us perfect after this world passes.

The "strong" emphasis on human judgement in some tenaciously preached Christian messages around here is one side of the coin. Christ is the other.

Oh goody.
Another one.

Whatcha mean "Another" one? He's been here longer then you :P

I mean...
-Another moron who can't handle the simplicity of reality, which is,
"Look around, folks. This is it! What you see is what you get, so try not to shit on everything & fuck it all up."

But alas, we do fuck everything all up, and so we need to create a fictional situation of "hope".

Man, imagine if all that fucking energy spent on believing in the faith of another life was actually put towards making this one better.

Religion is the bane of mankind. It causes intellectual stagnation, and justifies oppression and horrible atorcities committed toward brothers.

Uhhhh, no. That won't ever happen.
I am to be cremated.

I mean...
-Another moron who can't handle the simplicity of reality, which is,
"Look around, folks. This is it! What you see is what you get, so try not to shit on everything & fuck it all up."

But alas, we do fuck everything all up, and so we need to create a fictional situation of "hope".

Man, imagine if all that fucking energy spent on believing in the faith of another life was actually put towards making this one better.

Religion is the bane of mankind. It causes intellectual stagnation, and justifies oppression and horrible atorcities committed toward brothers.

Man, quit forcing your religion on me :)

Man, quit forcing your religion on me :)
I like you.
We could talk.
I can't wait till Mark pisses you off to the point where you tell him what a terrible Christian he is.

You could'nt recognize humility if you actually had any.
As far as tofu "being a better man" than you, well that's not much of a compliment.
There's a crack addict here in town who's a better man than you, and she's a skank!

I like you.
We could talk.
I can't wait till Mark pisses you off to the point where you tell him what a terrible Christian he is.

Well, thanks? :P By talk I assume you mean "Duel of Words?" :p

I'm a pretty "terrible Christian" myself at times, my sin just dosent show to others as easily.

No one is rightious, no, not one.

tofu has rebuked me in private, and he always does it graciously, and with humility...and furthermore he has my respect

he's a better man than I am, I don't have a problem admitting that!

Praise God, bro.

You could'nt recognize humility if you actually had any.
As far as tofu "being a better man" than you, well that's not much of a compliment.
There's a crack addict here in town who's a better man than you, and she's a skank!

It was a rather humble statement. Putting somone who rebukes you above yourself is not easy for most men.

The usual reaction is to lash out, or defend yourself.

Oh yes, yes..."kudos" to good ole' Mark, right?

...You haven't known him long enough.
-Or you're a saint.

Either way, Mark treats people exactly how Christians are NOT supposed to treat people.

He is, the AntiChrist; the socially polar opposite of Jesus.
Jesus taught love.
Mark teaches hate.
Jesus taught tolerance.
Mark teaches intolerance.
Jesus taught forgiveness.
Mark teaches retribution and vengeance.

Jesus spoke of the things that Mark teaches, but he spoke of them as the God's will and justice, humbly, -and he was His SON!
Mark speaks of these things with contempt and vanity and arrogance, as if he relishes the idea that mankind will suffer their consequeces; as if he will most certainly be -not only saved, but have a front row seat on the shore of the lake of fire so that he may bask in the heat that causes eternal pain and suffering of those who rebuked him, but did not believe in the lord.

You see tofu, Mark Strong is a fucking maggot, and if there is a hell, he should be on the express train there for completely defacing the word of God and twisting it to justify his own hate and contempt.

The boy simply either was abused or neglected. Maybe his daddy smacked him around a lot, or his mommy molested him, or he just never got a hug. I dunno.

One does not need to be Islamic to recognize that Osama bin Lauden is a bad Moslim.
Likewise, one does not need to be a Christian to recognize that Mark Strong is a bad Christian.
The difference is that Mark will say Osama is a bad person because he's not Christian, not because he illy represents his faith.

Mark's intolerance is enough for me to want to club him like a baby seal.

For real. I mean completely and utterly, totally without regret or remorse, I think I coulod do that.
In my mind, he represents the root of all that is wrong with society.

Oh yes, yes..."kudos" to good ole' Mark, right?

Give praise where it is due. Humility is a good thing, praise what is good and rebuke what is bad. Why does it bother you that I stand up for his humble reply? He could have just gone off on a rant about how I'm a terrable christian who needs to get the plank out of my eye before I can judge him, but he did not.

...You haven't known him long enough.

He is the reason I am here. I am his servant.

-Or you're a saint.

Yes, I am a saint, in fact. :)

Either way, Mark treats people exactly how Christians are NOT supposed to treat people.

True. Do you think if he repented, publicly, you could forgive him?

You see tofu, Mark (We dont post last names here!) is a fucking maggot, and if there is a hell, he should be on the express train there for completely defacing the word of God and twisting it to justify his own hate and contempt.

Where did he twist The Word?

The boy simply either was abused or neglected. Maybe his daddy smacked him around a lot, or his mommy molested him, or he just never got a hug. I dunno.

Perhaps. We won't know unless he tells us, really. Would that change anything?

One does not need to be Islamic to recognize that Osama bin Lauden is a bad Moslim.
Likewise, one does not need to be a Christian to recognize that Mark (You and last names, mannn) is a bad Christian.
The difference is that Mark will say Osama is a bad person because he's not Christian, not because he illy represents his faith.

Nah, I'm pretty sure Mark will say all people are 'bad' simply for being sinful, myself and himself included.

Mark's intolerance is enough for me to want to club him like a baby seal.

For real. I mean completely and utterly, totally without regret or remorse, I think I coulod do that.
In my mind, he represents the root of all that is wrong with society.

So, you're intolerant to intolerance? :P

If he represents the root of _all_ that is wrong with society, where does bad parenting fit in? :P

Guess I was wrong about you.
You are too blinded by your faith to see Mark for what he really is.

We're done. I'm not going to be tagged teamed by two Bible thumpers.
You're doing your faith and yourself a terrible diservice by coming to Mark's defence.

I don't think you really understand just what he is.
As for the "last name thing", Mark has tried to fuck with me many, MANY FUCKING TIMES on that front. There's a LONG history of which you are unaware.

...And "Yes.", I'm "intolerant of intolerance" from a follower of Jesus. You're GOD DAMNED RIGHT I AM!!!

Guess I was wrong about you.
You are too blinded by your faith to see Mark for what he really is.

We're done. I'm not going to be tagged teamed by two Bible thumpers.
You're doing your faith and yourself a terrible diservice by coming to Mark's defence.

I don't think you really understand just what he is.
As for the "last name thing", Mark has tried to fuck with me many, MANY FUCKING TIMES on that front. There's a LONG history of which you are unaware.


What did you expect me to say?

What did you want me to say?

What do you think I "See Mark" as?

What did you expect me to say?I expected you to make plausible excuses for his behavior, yet still acknowledge that his behavior is consistently unacceptable by Christian standards.What did you want me to say?That you see that there's something very wrong with Mark, though I knew that would not happen due to your relaxed and tolerant personality. (...which is fine."refreshing", actually.)What do you think I "See Mark" as?A fellow self proclaimed scholar of the Bible, and as such, deserving of far more tolerance to be a scumbag than those who do not believe the Word.

...I expected you to hold Mark to the same standards of humility that you apparently hold yourself to. Mark is exactly opposite of humble. He instead is arrogant and pious, and explicitly relishes the pain and suffering he believes will be resultant of God's vengeance.

The man rolls around in the filth of hate that he feels Christianity justly affords him.
Get a spine and stand up for Christianity by telling him how wrong he is.
Won't matter. He'll just accuse you of being a demonic pagan.

I expected you to make plausible excuses for his behavior, yet still acknowledge that his behavior is consistently unacceptable by Christian standards.That you see that there's something very wrong with Mark, though I knew that would not happen due to your relaxed and tolerant personality. (...which is fine."refreshing", actually.)A fellow self proclaimed scholar of the Bible, and as such, deserving of far more tolerance to be a scumbag than those who do not believe the Word.

Actually, I hold christians to higher standards, and grant less 'tolerance' before I must rebuke error.

I cannot make excuses for his behavior, and I do acknowlage that some of it is unacceptable by Christs standards.

...I expected you to hold Mark to the same standards of humility that you apparently hold yourself to. Mark is exactly opposite of humble. He instead is arrogant and pious, and explicitly relishes the pain and suffering he believes will be resultant of God's vengeance.

The man rolls around in the filth of hate that he feels Christianity justly affords him.
Get a spine and stand up for Christianity by telling him how wrong he is.
Won't matter. He'll just accuse you of being a demonic pagan.

I have rebuked him in private. Public is not a place for such things.

There are times to rebuke in private, times in public. And he never called me a demonic pagan. Instead he made a huble statement, as can be seen above.

And he never called me a demonic pagan. .


he's surrounded by ignorant satan worshippers who deserve the whipping that the LORD intends for them.

the fact that the LORD intends to punish them with the utmost severity and emnity is proof that no respect or honor is due them.

folks who at least are trying to listen to The Word, even if they get it somewhat wrong, are not nessarily activly serving satan, except for catholics, moslems, and non-virgin jewish men.


:smacktalk: :screwyou: :bowdown:


{the smilies are, yzf, the LORD, and you. :bigthumb: }

I have rebuked him in private. Public is not a place for such things.
Good. Then he should shut the fuck up already.

I have collected dozens of quotes by Mark in which he demonstrates his "humility".

Give praise where it is due. Humility is a good thing, praise what is good and rebuke what is bad. Why does it bother you that I stand up for his humble reply? He could have just gone off on a rant about how I'm a terrable christian who needs to get the plank out of my eye before I can judge him, but he did not.

That is what he tells everyone else. Maybe he thinks you are special. For example, the last time that a fellow Christian on these forums saw what Mark was saying around here for himself, he freely admitted to me that Mark was lying. He freely admitted that Mark is not who he claims to be. AND THEN, when the truth came out about all of this, Mark simply denied everything the guy claimed he had said. Mark tried to label him a liar--discredit the source and you win a point for your own credibility....

More than once, Christians from the forums have PMed me unsolicited, and spoken to me about how "they didnt believe the claims about what Mark says until they read the posts for themselves...." But no one seems to care enough about these things to actually confront it very much. I dont think we should have a public hanging, but God did set forth the manner in which such things were to be handled....and it was not always "rebuke in private". Eventually, Mark will show more of his behavior again, and those of us who have seen it for the last several years know that MOST "christians" simply come to his defense because they share faith, rather than be honest.

He is the reason I am here. I am his servant.

Which makes no difference in the end. No one person, according to God, was put above others in such a way that addressing their actions was off-limits. This simply goes way beyond Mark insulting people--he has committed felonies for crying out loud.....Be his servant, thats all well and good, but how much are you truly "serving" him if you are anything but 100% honest with him about these actions? think about that for a minute....

True. Do you think if he repented, publicly, you could forgive him?

Perhaps, you could teach him the meaning of "repent". He obviously does not know the meaning of it himself. He thinks that typing an apology in a PM one time for one insult covers all of his insults, death threats, and the times he has wished harm on others. And in either case, what good does an "apology" do if you only go back and commit the same acts again the next day?

If he had the guts to admit his mistakes (instead of lying about them each time someone brings it up), apologized for those mistakes to others, and promised to work on things, you might be on to something. But, if someone tells me "sorry" today and "I hope you die in a hurricane, asshole" tomorrow, do you HONESTLY think that the apology meant anything??

I didnt think so.

Where did he twist The Word?

Where hasnt he? Last time I checked, God did not say anywhere in the bible that "viewing pornography is acceptable as long as you claim you are not lusting....". Does your bible say that? Yet, that is one perfect example of exactly what he has said. At the same time, he criticizes others in here who post in that section as "perverts straight out of hell" because they view pornography!!

That is just one example. How many would you like?

Nah, I'm pretty sure Mark will say all people are 'bad' simply for being sinful, myself and himself included.

You left out the part where he then thinks that he has the authority to judge the sins of others. He actually goes around telling people that they are worse sinners than he is! Last time I checked, God did not distinguish sin as "better than" or "worse than" other sin. SIN IS SIN, and we are all in it. But Mark, he thinks he is special....he thinks he can judge others, and as long as he holds up that shiny book, all is cool with the big man. Wrong answer.....

Scriptures have been posted plenty of times to point things out to Mark. You would think that such a "humble" christian, if he doesnt want to listen to a person, could at least humble himself to the Word instead....but no dice...he condemns the message based upon his opinion of the messenger. THAT is humility in your eyes?

If he represents the root of _all_ that is wrong with society, where does bad parenting fit in?


That would depend on whether or not Mark has judged you to be worthy.....if so, than it is a sin that can be confessed, repented for, prayed for, worked on, etc etc etc. If he has termed you to be "demon from hell", then he wont even pray for you, and he has no problem saying that. Wow, look--more humility....

Mark is Mark, tofu. No amount of hoping will change the person that he is right now. And from the point of view of someone who is his "brother", hoping is not even close to the method that should be used, according to God. I could care less that he put me on ignore--he still treats plenty of others with the same contempt and pathetic mindset that he has always blamed on ME. he has even posted that "90% of the blame" for HIS actions falls on ME. Well, I am no longer part of that equation, and he still treats others like garbage. He still lies. He still insults. He still refuses to take responsibility for his actions. He still refuses to be HONEST. And he still judges others at his leisure.

So much for "that damn demonic Jonnie, straight outta hell" being whats wrong here. If you take out the part thats wrong, the problem stops, right? Well, I am out of it, and he is still the same lying, hypocritical, vulgar braggard who actually claims to be better than others.

Theres your humility.

Instead he made a huble statement

He talked about the telescope??

Hrm. Pretty angry replies. I wonder why. :P

When haven't I been 100% honest with him? How would you even know? Can you read his PMs? I will rebuke what I see that needs rebuking. When did I treat him diferently because he claimed he was a christian? When did I say one sin was worse then another?

Are you even really reading what I'm saying?

Seriously, I'm not here to defend Mark, unless he needs defense. I came here to rebuke him. I didn't even want to come here at first. DAK had twice asked me to come on a while ago specifically because of his actions. I had to pray a lot before I could see that I was supposed to be here.

I am here to serve him, to pull him from the fire. I am not here to judge him, simply to pray for and correct.

Christianity isnt a place for perfect people, it's for the sinner. The one who hasnt sinned doesnt need Christ, right?

Hrm. Pretty angry replies. I wonder why. :P

That is a pretty clueless reply from you. You have seen me post before, tofu....in other words, you obviously know that my post to you was nothing close to angry. Get a grip now....

When haven't I been 100% honest with him?

I did not say you havent been. I simply asked a question--"how much would you be serving him if you are anything but 100% honest...."

Anyone here will tell you that I dont mince words--if I dont think you are honest I will come right out with it and just call you a liar. I dont play games with words, tofu. Obviously I did not call you a liar, so obviously you are misunderstanding my post. All I did was stress the fact that anything but 100% honesty would not be serving him, and this is important because too many "christians" have chosen to be loyal to a friend rather than say what needs to be said.

Additionally, you are asking questions like "when has he twisted the Word". The fact is that a blind man can see the level of hypocrisy he practices. Come on already--how can you declare someone "straight out of hell" because they use profanity, and then curse them out in the next sentence....and THEN, declare yourself better than that person? Do you REALLY need to see examples of this? We can provide plenty of reading if you do....or, you can be HONEST and look at his posts for yourself. It will not take very long to find examples of such behavior. I only bring this up because you questioned the thought that he acts in that manner. Be honest now....and if you seriously have not seen this, I will point you in the right direction.

Can you read his PMs?

I can read the ones he has sent to me, in which he has threatened me, cursed me up one side and down the other, and laughed at the thought of me losing my house last year.....and then I can read the posts he makes in the forum where he denies ever doing such things....how's that?

I will rebuke what I see that needs rebuking

Then you must not be looking very well, if you have to ask when he has twisted the Word. examples of it are all over the place on two different internet forums at least. About the example I posted--is there ANY TIME you can think of, according to the Word, where a single man viewing pornography is acceptable to God? Please indicate the scripture that states this. If that is not found in the scripture, please let me know.....

When did I treat him diferently because he claimed he was a christian?

I didnt say that you have. I wanted you to be honest about his actions so that you DID NOT do that, as too many others have. I clearly stated that in my post.

When did I say one sin was worse then another?

When did I say that YOU said this?? HERE is what I said, tofu:

You left out the part where he then thinks that he has the authority to judge the sins of others. He actually goes around telling people that they are worse sinners than he is! Last time I checked, God did not distinguish sin as "better than" or "worse than" other sin. SIN IS SIN, and we are all in it. But Mark, he thinks he is special....he thinks he can judge others, and as long as he holds up that shiny book, all is cool with the big man. Wrong answer.....

Scriptures have been posted plenty of times to point things out to Mark. You would think that such a "humble" christian, if he doesnt want to listen to a person, could at least humble himself to the Word instead....but no dice...he condemns the message based upon his opinion of the messenger. THAT is humility in your eyes?

Are you Mark now? Please point out the text there where I accused you of that action....CLEARLY I was saying to you that MARK does that, NOT YOU. how can that be any clearer??

Are you even really reading what I'm saying?

Obviously I am--as shown by the responses you are getting from me. However, I am not entirely certain that you are reading what I wrote....as shown by the abundance of misunderstanding on your part. Let's get to the point--I DID NOT ATTACK YOU IN ANY WAY. I am simply stating my response to your questions about Mark and this issue. I was not rude, or profane....I merely explained to you about things that you may not have seen up to this point. You obviously asked the questions for a reason, no? I was just giving you answers....no need to read that far into it, ok?

Seriously, I'm not here to defend Mark, unless he needs defense.

That's fine. I know that some others will not believe you but I give you the benefit of the doubt.

I came here to rebuke him.

Then by all means, rebuke him. Again, I am not looking for a bloodbath--but too many people are just this fed up with the hypocrisy and dishonesty that is Mark. Too many times I have PM'ed him, or posted politely in threads to him. More than a couple times I have even defended things he has done and given credit for actions he has done. At the end of the day, I can be one of the biggest jerks around....but even I have not crossed the lines that he does on a routine basis.

Eventually, you are going to have to make a choice, however. Mark posts in the same manner whether to me or to others, as plain as day. If your mission is to rebuke where there is sin, then rebuke whenever you see it. Sooner or later, it always seems to come down to "let's stick together and stick it to those ungodly bastards...." The last time a "christian" decided to take note of Mark's actions in here, They both were changing their tune on who said what. All I ask to you is that you pick a course and stay the course. Don't take note one day of his action and blow it off next week because "it's cool--he and I argue with the same people...." like others have before you.

I am here to serve him, to pull him from the fire. I am not here to judge him, simply to pray for and correct.

I dont want you to judge him, but it would be kinda cool if he would get the point that he is not here to judge others, as well. In the other forum, he was banned so many times in one month that they simply got tired of banning him--they just changed the format of the section so that only those who were "allowed" were able to access it. This is because Mark was so intent on passing judgment that he didnt care who he pissed off, how he went about it, or even what laws he broke. Let me tell you--there are people right now in jail for saying less over the internet than he has.

Christianity isnt a place for perfect people, it's for the sinner. The one who hasnt sinned doesnt need Christ, right?

Please include that in your lesson to him--he obviously does not know it. Directly from his posts to others, it is clear that he believes that those in here are in more sin than he is, and because of it they are doomed to burn. That's another thing--do NOT buy into his "I never say that" routine. Plenty of examples of him telling others they will burn have been posted, re-posted, quoted, and so on.

When haven't I been 100% honest with him? How would you even know? Can you read his PMs? I will rebuke what I see that needs rebuking. When did I treat him diferently because he claimed he was a christian? When did I say one sin was worse then another?

I don't think anyone is asking you to be Mark's Daddy and correct him on his mistakes. I think what people are looking for is you to come out and say, in public view, that Mark's actions are not in accordance with Christianity.

and hundeds more that do....but you won't see those!

hey, I'm human....and I have a pretty short fuse with random (and mindless) antogonists

he must be referring to posts like this one:

http://www.theforumlounge.com/showpost.php?p=100421&postcount=128

I'm the M1 tank, you're the insect

What tremendous humility....yep yep....

funny how Dennis always accuses me of being "full of hate" when it's patently obvious he's the one with irrational hatred of Christians (and it's been that way for years now)No "irrational" hate for Christians, Mark. I have a perfectly rational hate for religious zealots who practice deciet, hate, contempt for all people that don't believe what THEY believe, and last but by no means least, HYPOCRISY.

My best friend is a Christian. But because he's my best friend, automatically he cannot possibly, POSSIBLY be anything other than one of those "demonic followers of a false religion".
He believes in Creation just the same as you. But he can't be anywhere near as close to God as YOU are because he doesn't hate people enough.

Dennis doesn't like ANYONE who presents the Bible as the absolute truth....period! he hates them all! in fact he told me in no uncertain terms he hates Billy Graham! Chritianity is inherently confrontational, but that does not mean confrontation is always "hateful", confrontation can produce real change in peopleYou USE that ideology...the idea that "Christianity is inherently confrontational". You short little CUNT. THAT'S why I fucking HATE you, Mark Strong.
Billy Graham is nothing more than a political figure. The politics of your faith are well docum,ented and indisputable. Your faith has an objective; To assymilate as much as possible, by any means possible.

You call your faith "truth", but you sure don't make for a very convincing arguement...during your necessary inherent confrontations. :rolleyes:

I'm direct, that's what Dennis hates....too bad for himYou silly sawed off little runt. You act like I'm the only one who hates you! :lol:

...And you g'ahead and just keep using my name like that -even though you cried to Kevin about me using your name in my sig.
Keep it up, ya little cunt.

I just explained to you my perfectly rational hate for BG and others like him. He is part of a network that focuses on assymilation by default...zombifying and stupifying the masses of the United States.
My hate for him is nowhere near my hate for you, Skippy.
(You're more on par with Roberts.)
He uses the word as a weopon of manipulation.
You use it as a shield to hide behind and a justification for you to be a self-appointed humanity hater.
You're equally fake.
You both should fry.

Actually, I hold christians to higher standards, and grant less 'tolerance' before I must rebuke error.

I cannot make excuses for his behavior, and I do acknowlage that some of it is unacceptable by Christs standards.



I have rebuked him in private. Public is not a place for such things.

There are times to rebuke in private, times in public. And he never called me a demonic pagan. Instead he made a huble statement, as can be seen above.

Your rebukes must be falling upon deaf ears in that case....

http://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php?p=5904343&postcount=32

Here's a particularly kind one--

http://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php?p=5904886&postcount=44

catch the next hurricane, jon....may you be buried with it

http://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php?p=5904923&postcount=47

There you have it, tofu--100% unsolicited garbage from the resident christian wannabe. And to think--he rants on and on in every thread about how he "ignored" me....yet he has to hijack a perfectly good thread over there because being a prick in this forum is not enough?

Tell us again how Jesus would have Marky's back for most of what he does.....:bigthumb:

EDIT--the loser is now following me around in basically every thread I post in....

http://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php?p=5905071&postcount=5

but "he ignored me"....please tell me that no one here is buying into this morons lies....

jon is ignored on this forum, not others

no doubt he will say that I "lied"

And there is the great excuse. I am supposedly so bad, so "demonic", that poor widdle marky has no choice but to place me on ignore....but WAIT--if I really was that bad, and he was seriously trying to do the right thing, why wouldnt he put me on ignore over there too??

Better yet, what kind of rabid assmonkey brags about ignoring someone here, and then INTENTIONALLY contacts me over there with the sole purpose of starting shit? If you choose to ignore someone, it is only logical that you dont then turn around and purposely initiate contact with said person elsewhere just to harass them. Proof positive that Marky here is just trying to put on a show. What a fake ass fraud....:bowdown:

any hate for a man like Billy Graham is demonic...he's a very honorable person in every respect, whether you agree with him or not

Do you know him personally to make that assessment? Do I need to beat you with the Proof Stick again?

From what I understand, he has a private jet. I didn't realize God owned a fleet of them.

I've been to his residence, it's nothing extravagant

I don't know about the private jet

Were you guys playing dress up?

"OK Mark, this time I get to be the Priest, and you will be the altar boy."

And there is the great excuse. I am supposedly so bad, so "demonic", that poor widdle marky has no choice but to place me on ignore....but WAIT--if I really was that bad, and he was seriously trying to do the right thing, why wouldnt he put me on ignore over there too??

Better yet, what kind of rabid assmonkey brags about ignoring someone here, and then INTENTIONALLY contacts me over there with the sole purpose of starting shit? If you choose to ignore someone, it is only logical that you dont then turn around and purposely initiate contact with said person elsewhere just to harass them. Proof positive that Marky here is just trying to put on a show. What a fake ass fraud....:bowdown:Pretty damn hard to argue with that.
-No wonder he put you on ignore. ;)

I'll comment on this:

that argument predated the ignore



*skydivr is on your ignore list*

:)

bye jon....I'm done with you

catch the next hurricane, jon....may you be buried with it


....Nnnnnnope! 'Nother lie, Skippy.
Caught again

note the date of my FIRST post in that thread....that's my point

jonnie dug it upAnd just why, in HOLY FUCKING HELL, would THAT matter?

It's this simple: YOU are NOT a man of your WORD.
(How can you be a man of HIS word if you can't be a man of your own?)

last time I checked, the "ignore" feature does not cover all internet forums...duh! this is an incredibly lame argument....he's not ignored on rx7club, he very rarely posts in the lounge and not in the FD section at all

next?

What kind of bullshit is that?? I "Rarely" post in the lounge? What a crock....

As for the concept of "ignore", asswipe, it is YOUR CHARACTER that is involved, not the specifics of one forum or another. Like I said, if I really was so bad that you had no choice but to ignore me, WHY would you open yourself up to so much more of that "demonic fucker" over there? OBVIOUSLY, putting someone on ignore is just something you do for show. If you really were so bothered that it was necessary, you sure as hell would not be trying to incite shit over there now. And you damn well would not be following me from one thread to another just to hear yourself get all pussy-hurt on the net.

THAT is the point, you fake ass wannabe. You fail. As usual.