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BATMAN 03-09-2006, 01:00 PM http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/multimedia/gallery/Enceladus_PIA06254_full-browse.jpg
The surface of Saturn's moon Enceladus is composed mostly of water ice and there may be a cold ocean beneath that holds some form of life, according to studies of images taken by NASA's Cassini spacecraft last year.
``Any life that existed could not be luxuriant and would have to deal with low temperatures, feeble metabolic energy and perhaps a severe chemical environment,'' said Jeffrey Kargel of the hydrology and water resources department at the University of Arizona in Tucson. ``Nevertheless we cannot discount the possibility that Enceladus might be life's distant outpost.''
Images show a plume of gases and water spouting from the moon's southern pole, similar to the Old Faithful geyser in Yellowstone National Park in the western U.S., said Andrew Ingersoll, a member of the Cassini imaging team and an atmospheric scientist at the California Institute of Technology.
He is the co-author of one of the studies, which are being published in tomorrow's edition of the journal Science.
Other moons, such as Jupiter's Europa, have oceans covered by ice more than a kilometer thick. On Enceladus, pockets of liquid water may be as close as 10 meters below the surface, Ingersoll said.
The underground reservoirs may hold some extreme form of life, Kargel said.
``It's a big leap, but at least the ingredients are there,'' Ingersoll said in a telephone interview from Pasadena, California.
Enceladus, one of Saturn's 47 moons, was discovered by astronomer William Herschel in 1789. It is the size of France and orbits Saturn about every 1.4 days.
The Cassini spacecraft, which has been circling the planet since July 2004, flew by the moon three times between February and July of 2005.
The observations make Enceladus the fourth known body in the solar system with active volcanoes, in addition to Earth, Jupiter's moon Io and Neptune's moon Triton, said John Spencer, a scientist with the Southwest Research Institute in Boulder, Colorado, in a statement. The moon is also the third known body, besides Earth and Io, with internal heat that can be measured remotely.
The plume likely spews liquid water, which breaks down into oxygen and hydrogen that travels thousands of kilometers into Saturn's atmosphere, where it helps to replenish the planet's so- called E ring. Some of the material may fall back to the surface of the moon as snow.
Cassini will fly by the moon again in 2008. Yet the spacecraft won't be able to verify that life exists, Kargel wrote, and Ingersoll said the findings may lead to a future NASA mission to Enceladus.
SpartanTS 03-09-2006, 01:01 PM Do you just post this stuff and immediately log out? I never see your name down there, and then the threads just pop up out the blue.
SpartanTS 03-09-2006, 01:36 PM it seems like there is another "alien life" story/hypothesis just about every day...but it will never be found
Exactly, and we can only wonder why people keep looking.
BATMAN 03-09-2006, 01:46 PM Do you just post this stuff and immediately log out? I never see your name down there, and then the threads just pop up out the blue.
:batman:
Cosby 03-09-2006, 03:12 PM hes invisible ... I'm willing to bet we'll find some sort of life before I die
BATMAN 03-09-2006, 04:24 PM to say that God ONLY allowed life on Earth is:
1. a big gamble with the population overgrowth, pollution, and religious zealots/lunatics
2. Saying that God has finite powers and wisdom.
Say No To Pistons 03-09-2006, 04:55 PM I'll take that bet....for any amount you care to mention
"life on other planets" is simply an outgrowth of evolutionary fairy tales....clearly, God created life on earth, and nowhere else....earth is the very focus of God creation from Genesis 1
get this vid, it will change how you think about this issue
http://www.illustramedia.com/tppinfo.htm
awhhh stfu.
Manntis 03-09-2006, 05:21 PM All these worlds are yours... except Europa. Attempt no landing there.
Use them together. Use them in peace.
ComradeGiant 03-09-2006, 06:52 PM Say, did you know they removed the word 'gullible' from the dictionary?
Supper 03-09-2006, 07:11 PM blah.
they just can't claim Europa since Arthur C. Clarke did it first, so they go after the only other "Ice Moon"
(Can anyone say Hoth?)
Manntis 03-09-2006, 07:30 PM you REALLY think colonization of other planets is even REMOTELY possible?
if you do, you're HIGH....and you've been watching re-runs of "Aliens" too many times[\quote]
similar arguments were made against a moon landing. And powered flight. And unpowered flight. And of powered ships crossing the atlantic. So far your side has a low batting average.
[QUOTE=yzf-r1]God has infitnite power and wisdom, and His creative work is far from over in this little age of 6,000 years of sin and death....a mere vapor in eternity...
Bible says god created the heavens and Earth - Bible doesn't say that god made everything in the heavens barren. Life on other planets is not incompatable with the Creation myth.
Supper 03-09-2006, 07:34 PM All these worlds are yours... except Europa. Attempt no landing there.
D'Oh!
SHoulda read the thread first.
and :bigthumb: Manntis :bigthumb:
Manntis 03-09-2006, 07:35 PM :)
Manntis 03-09-2006, 08:16 PM it is incompatible with the Bible, because this short age is focused on man
at the end of the age, which is marked by key events that occur on this earth, God will judge all men and promptly create a new heaven and new earth
if aliens do exist, they will be incinerated
no, no, no... after the age of Man comes the age of the Orc...
nowboostinII 03-09-2006, 10:59 PM yo YZF, if they land a probe on this moon and find any sort of life? even small organisms, or bacteria? would this change all your views on your so called 'god'?
rodney87 03-09-2006, 11:06 PM No, he'll just say "god wanted it that way then"
2ndGen.Rocket 03-10-2006, 05:29 AM Considering that space is so incredibly vast, I find it hard to believe that there is absolutely nothing else out there.
Say No To Pistons 03-10-2006, 12:51 PM hey yzf have you seen god? what does he look like?
Manntis 03-10-2006, 02:24 PM hey yzf have you seen god? what does he look like?
Imagine an octopus with jaguar spots and a Santa hat.
Oh, and a beard.
nowboostinII 03-10-2006, 04:07 PM absolutely
Someone PLEASE send a fucking probe up there!
heres my god..:bubbrubb: bubbrubb baby
BATMAN 03-10-2006, 04:23 PM i wonder if it hurts the moon to ejaculate ice @ -300F............
Manntis 03-10-2006, 05:13 PM what factors? Pressure and heat, like on an undersea ocean volcanic vent? We can't live there. Oxygen? Many critters live in oxygen-poor environments. Sunlight? What of those deep underground or under water?
Life is surprisingly resilient. Of course, take a life form from the environment they're adapted for and plunk them in another environment and they might perish - but that does not mean there's no other life already in that other environment. You'd drown in the ocean, but it's teeming with life. A giant squid dropped on the prairies woudn't last 5 minutes, yet gophers do just fine. Cockroaches can survive in a vacuum. They've even survived being at ground-zero in a laboratory-performed M60 cherrybomb explosion (CalTech). I doubt you'd fare so well at ground-zero with scaled-up explosives.
BATMAN 03-10-2006, 05:22 PM Well said, too bad u and Mr RX7 TT don't get along.
jimlab 03-10-2006, 06:50 PM it's a shell game!! complete mythology!!But so is your favorite system of belief...
Manntis 03-10-2006, 07:50 PM Someone PLEASE send a fucking probe up there!
like this?
http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2006/03/10/orbiter-mars060310.html
RX7_2ner 03-10-2006, 08:48 PM Indeed heaven and the highest heavens belong to the LORD your God, also the earth with all that is in it.[/i]
AMEN!
so, you're saying that the grays don't belong to god?
Manntis 03-10-2006, 09:05 PM Indeed heaven and the highest heavens belong to the LORD your God, also the earth with all that is in it.[/i]
AMEN!
So heaven belongs to God, and Earth belongs to God.
There's life on Earth, so obviously 'belonging to God' != sterile... so why quote this as 'proof' there's no life in the heavens?
Say No To Pistons 03-10-2006, 09:14 PM Christ is the image of the invisible God
no one in this time has seen the Lord, either
does god chat with you?
Manntis 03-11-2006, 01:49 AM I'm not sure how you made the jump in logic that, because God is the ruler of all Creation, that all creation must be inhabited, physically
I didn't. I asked how you made the leap that the passage you cite somehow proclaims that life on other planets is impossible.
rtryb2200 03-11-2006, 01:56 AM does god chat with you?
http://www.titane.ca/igod/
jimlab 03-11-2006, 09:34 AM I didn't. I asked how you made the leap that the passage you cite somehow proclaims that life on other planets is impossible.That's Mark's special gift... liberal interpretation of Bible passages to support whatever point he's trying to make at the moment.
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