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A new planet-hunting technique has detected the most Earthlike planet yet around a star other than our sun, raising hopes of finding a faraway space rock that might support life, astronomers reported Wednesday.

“This is an important breakthrough in the quest to answer the question ‘Are we alone?”’ Michael Turner of the National Science Foundation said in a written statement. “The team has discovered the most Earthlike planet yet, and more importantly, has demonstrated the power of a new technique that is sensitive to detecting habitable planets.”

In the last decade, astronomers have detected more than 160 planets orbiting stars outside our solar system. The vast majority of these have been gas giant planets like Jupiter, which would be hostile to life as it is known on Earth.

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But an international team has detected a cold planet about five and a half times more massive than Earth — still small enough to be considered Earthlike — orbiting a star about 20,000 light-years away in the constellation Sagittarius the Archer, close to the center of the Milky Way.

A light-year is about 6 trillion miles or 10 trillion kilometers, the distance light travels in a year.

Using a star as a lens
To find this new planet — named OGLE-2005-BLG-390Lb — the team used a technique called gravitational microlensing.

This method uses a network of telescopes to watch for changes in light coming from distant stars. If another star passes between a distant star and a telescope on Earth, the gravity of the intervening star acts like a lens and magnifies the incoming light.

When a planet is circling the closer star, the planet’s gravity can add its own signature to the light, the scientists said in research being published in the current edition of the journal Nature.

This kind of light signature was observed on July 11 by a group of telescopes participating in a project known as OGLE, short for Optical Gravitational Lensing Experiment, which sees more than 500 microlensing events each year.

At first, OGLE scientists did not know that a planet was responsible for the change in the light.

They went to two other groups of telescope-using scientists, RoboNet and PLANET (Probing Lensing Anomalies NETwork), who eventually confirmed the presence of a previously unknown planet.

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Fine-tuning the planet search
Astronomers have been discovering so-called extrasolar planets for the last decade, but most have used a method that looks for a characteristic wobble in stars caused by the unseen planets that orbit around them. This technique has been successful in finding Jupiter-type planets but few with Earth’s mass.

However, the microlensing technique may hold promise for detecting more planets like our own, in the habitable zone neither too torridly close nor frigidly far from the stars they orbit, said David Bennett of the University of Notre Dame in Indiana, a member of the PLANET team.

“The main advantage (of microlensing) is the signals for low-mass planets: They’re not weak signals, they’re just rare,” Bennett said by telephone. “If there happens to be a good alignment between a foreground star with its planet and the background source star, then you’re able to detect that planet.”

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*waits for YZF-R1 to come in with things from answersingenesis.com*

ditto........

+1

fascinating. hopefully this will be a valid discovery of potential life out there, rather than another Face on Mars and UFO sightings outside Kansas.

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Christianity does not hinge on earth being the only inhabited planet. I am a Christian and believe there is life on other planets.

aside from the unecessary sacrilegious stuff, "life on other planets" is a myth....and a complete waste of time and money

space exploration is good, that is, exploration of the universe displays the grandeur of God in ever more stark terms, but to conceive that life spontaneously arose on other planets is just more evolutionary nonsense/fairy tales

the vast array of factors needed to support life on this planet is found nowehere else in the universe (nor will it ever be)

great video on the topic http://www.arn.org/arnproducts/videos/v039.htm

WTF?!
Life not existing on another planet in our galaxy is a mathmatical impossiblity.

WTF?!
Life not existing on another planet in our galaxy is a mathmatical impossiblity.

Mathematical impossibility? WTF are you talking about?

Their too many solar systems similar to our own in our galaxy.
I'm not saying intelligent life, but at the least the minimum for what can be considered life.

Mathematical impossibility? WTF are you talking about?


basically that probability dictates that, considering how much of space there is and how many planets there are (let alone ones we haven't discovered), it's impossible that only one small planet is the only one in the entire universe to have life.

Maybe Adam and Eve were cave people. Maybe Cain killed Abel and turned into a monkey who latter evolved into a ******.

These things have nothing to do with your salvation. Maybe there are prophets on other planets talking about Jesus and how he died on Earth to save them from their sins.

Maybe there are prophets on other planets talking about Jesus and how he died on Earth to save them from their sins.

interesting proposition. it never occurred to me, actually.:)

1) probability/statistics has nothing to do with an impossible event occurring

life arising by "chance" on this planet, or any planet, with all the myriad of inter-related, complex factors involved to support complex life, is absolutely impossible....

Silly Silly YZF.
Why can't you Christians understand your book more.
Don't you get?
You cannot say that anything is impossible because of the bible. The Bible and history both prove 1 thing.

There are no such thing as miracles...everything is within the realm of possibility.

So there are no green adam and eve with 4 arms to gather more space apples?

I find it hard to believe that God would have such a vaste universe and invest all his glory in the 3rd rock from the sun..........

1) probability/statistics has nothing to do with an impossible event occurring

life arising by "chance" on this planet, or any planet, with all the myriad of inter-related, complex factors involved to support complex life, is absolutely impossible....and if any of one of these factors were changed even a little, we would all be dead....we live in a razor thin atmosphere in a universe surrounded by lifeless, and extremely deadly, environments....and take it all for granted

2) for the Christian, it is silly to conceive of life on other planets, for a number of reasons, but the obvious fact is that, at the conclusion of the age, God will un-create the existing universe (even the elements themselves will be destroyed, the Bible says) and a "new heavens and new earth" will be created, all in a brief window of time, just as before....so, if there are "aliens" out there, they will be incinerated

it isn't that the universe is so big that bumbling humans can apply some hocus pocus statistics and figure out the chance of life arising from *nothing* by chaos, as stupid as that notion is


it's not the probability of random life appearing by accident, it's the probability of the conditions on Earth conducive to life being replicated on other planets that, quite potentially, have a similar make up to Earth. there's nothing particularly special about Earth itself; there are hundreds of stars like our star, and now it seems there are other planets like our planet. that's all the probability is about.

of course aliens will be incinerated if all life is incinerated; doesn't mean the aliens aren't there to begin with. saying "they can't exist because they'll be destroyed at some point" doesn't make any sense.:dunno:

it's possible God created life on other planets in His creation of the universe, after all.

So there are no green adam and eve with 4 arms to gather more space apples?

I find it hard to believe that God would have such a vaste universe and invest all his glory in the 3rd rock from the sun..........

+1

sorry to hear that.......

yzf, what are you talking about? this is a thread about a new planet being discovered like Earth. i'd think you'd be the first to be praising God for this kind of thing. :dunno:

Hey Zeus (jesus pronounced in mexicanese) Christ YZF.

ur starting to sound really presumptious.

you're missing the point, and i'm sick of arguing with you. not gonna do it in STB.

Why would God call people on any planet aliens?
We can only label beings as aliens if they are not from our planet.

Any species of people on any planet would not be considered "alien", they would be natives of their own planet.

How do you know as "messengers" christians are'nt supposed to spread His word throughout the Universe?

In fact, why are you puting limits on GOD?

Why not just not comment or say I don't know?

Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy proposes the same question. In fact they it gives the idea that intelligent life all around the Universe ask the same questions about creation we do.

all right, chief. we're wrong, dead wrong about everything, you're the only right authority because you read the Bible. ok.:rolleyes:

all right, chief. we're wrong, dead wrong about everything, you're the only right authority because you read the Bible. ok.:rolleyes:

No, don't let him off easy. Let him continue to question his beliefs.
Let him fathom that GOD is running 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 of the same "life" senario all over the Universe. Let him fathom that with time he eventually GOD would like to see humans and all species woking together to better the lives of each other. Let him fathom that the Bible is vague on so many of these things so that we do explore, so that we are always looking for answers.

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that cartoon is such an illusion

evolutionists force fit data all the time, as they claim we do

geez, it was a joke. take a pill.

geez, it was a joke. take a pill.
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hahahaha... fantastic.

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evolutionists force fit data all the time, as they claim we doThere's no "claim" about it, Mark.

Nobody can prove anything. Just believe what you believe and leave it at that. If both sides refuse to allow for the possibility of an alternative truth, debate is useless and there is nothing to be gained by anyone.

I am open to all things but I also have my faith. So far I have never seen or read anything to shake my beliefs. Faith after all is the belief in things not seen or heard. But anyone who believes they are so smart that they have proof of the origins or purpose of life is a fool.




Although it is fun to me to find facts that fit my faith but facts do not rule my beliefs.

Nobody can prove anything. Just believe what you believe and leave it at that. If both sides refuse to allow for the possibility of an alternative truth, debate is useless and there is nothing to be gained by anyone.

I am open to all things but I also have my faith. So far I have never seen or read anything to shake my beliefs. Faith after all is the belief in things not seen or heard. But anyone who believes they are so smart that they have proof of the origins or purpose of life is a fool.




Although it is fun to me to find facts that fit my faith but facts do not rule my beliefs.
:ditto:

the Bible is not vagueIf you can even remotely interpret "leviathan" to be a reference to dinosaurs when it's obvious the writers of the Bible didn't have the first clue that dinosaurs had preceded them on this planet, I don't know how much more vague you can get.

Question: Would the Egyptians have worshipped crocodiles and jackals with Spinosaurus Aegypticus around?

Answer: Not on your life, pally.

but it is veiled, to the spiritually deadHow about to the brain dead, Mr. Flatline? :D

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you can'targue with it...it's what God says

everyone else is wrong, and they will all be PROVEN wrong!!

THERE IS NO PHYSICAL LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE OUTSIDE OF EARTH....PERIOD....WE'RE IT

may as well get used to it

This quote illustrates how difficult it is to accept God's word, because it clashes with our collectively human perception of modern reality. The Word of God was and still is foolishness, and He chose the lowest of the low to spread the Word. It is no accident that Yzf has a shitty reputation, that is how God designed it, and it was the same with the 12 apostles of Jesus Christ.

The likelihood of the foolish, unbelievable message of God having propogated into a worldwide religion, preached by ordinary and foolish people, having lasted for thousands of years, is unbelievably slim.

Many are called, but few are chosen, and this shows why: very very few can accept the authority of God through the utterly foolish, ridiculously unbelievable and irrational message and those preaching it.

All predicted.

the description of Levithan in Job is not vague at all....it fact it closely resmebles the massive sea going "Super Crocs" that national geographic recently did a story on, based on fossil evidence.Thanks for admitting that leviathan was only a crocodile, large examples of which are still plentiful today.

see above....also, there are carvings of smaller dinosaurs in several ancient culturesSure there are. Again, interpretation.

Funny, you search on "drawing dinosaurs ancient cultures" on Google and the first several web sites returned are:

www.genesispark.com/genpark/ancient/ancient.htm
www.allaboutcreation.org/dragon-history.htm
www.s8int.com/dinolit1.html
www.bible.ca/tracks/peru-tomb-art.htm

Searching on "cave drawings dinosaurs", and you get:

www.creationists.org/dinos_artifacts_and_art.html
http://www.genesispark.com/genpark/ancient/ancient.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/dinocarving.html

Funny, no legitimate non-Creationist whacko web sites seem to support the idea.

bear in mind the larger dinosaurs most likely quickly perished in the far less temperate post-Flood worldOr the pre-localized flood, post-massive meteor impact world...

This quote illustrates how difficult it is to accept God's word, because it clashes with our collectively human perception of modern reality. The Word of God was and still is foolishness, and He chose the lowest of the low to spread the Word. It is no accident that Yzf has a shitty reputation, that is how God designed it, and it was the same with the 12 apostles of Jesus Christ.

The likelihood of the foolish, unbelievable message of God having propogated into a worldwide religion, preached by ordinary and foolish people, having lasted for thousands of years, is unbelievably slim.

Many are called, but few are chosen, and this shows why: very very few can accept the authority of God through the utterly foolish, ridiculously unbelievable and irrational message and those preaching it.

All predicted.

Boy did you turn into a loon in a hurry.

DIY Religious whacko kit?

It is no accident that Yzf has a shitty reputation, that is how God designed it, and it was the same with the 12 apostles of Jesus Christ.You mean they were complete douche bags too?

All predicted.One whacko religious fanatic per forum is enough, thanks.

Boy did you turn into a loon in a hurry.

No shit. At least he's seen the light on what should be powering an rx7!

No shit. At least he's seen the light on what should be powering an rx7!Only because he can't afford a real engine...

Only because he can't afford a real engine...

Some just prefer the oval Jim.

you sure turned into assholes in a hurry

sorry you need to be a dick because you don't agree

not marine crocs 40-50 feet long...and who knows how big they really were, on average, this is just one example

A key factor here is that that show dated the giant croc to over 100million years ago.

you sure turned into assholes in a hurry

sorry you need to be a dick because you don't agree

I'd prefer to not have you blow smoke up my ass. MarKKK already fills that role nicely. Sorry if that's "being a dick".

not marine crocs 40-50 feet long...and who knows how big they really were, on average, this is just one exampleBig, but just more speculation and wishful thinking on your part.

There's no evidence that supports them sharing the planet with man. A modern 14-15 foot long croc is enormous, and a 18-19 footer is absolutely immense. Salt water crocs and Nile crocs can both easily attain that length, given enough time. Either would make a suitable leviathan to the uneducated and superstitious mooks who wrote your book.

A key factor here is that that show dated the giant croc to over 100million years ago.Don't you mean 6,000 years ago? :wink2:

that means nothing....zeroNothing to you. The rest of the scientific and free thinking world seems to take it pretty seriously, however.

the "dates" they come up with are based on arbitrary, imaginary time scales, designed to fit pre-conceived evolutionary time frames....this is not a valid C-14 "date" of course, it's just a random number, thrown out with no basis whatsoeverSure. Maybe you should go back to school. It's obvious nothing sank in the first time around.

Don't you mean 6,000 years ago? :wink2:

We apparently, this marine species all drowned in a flood 4300 years ago.

Well apparently, this marine species all drowned in a flood 4300 years ago.Lucky for us. I thought I saw one in my bathtub the other day... shit, imagine my surprise if I had jumped in and landed on a leviathan! :bigthumb:

god likes a lollipop

the vast array of factors needed to support life on this planet is found nowhere else in the universe (nor will it ever be)




life on other planets wont be modeled after us. therefore they wont need the same supporting factors that we need. maybe they dont need oxygen. maybe they dont need water. we wont now till we actually make contact. To say that other lifeforms dont exist is a waste. they arent going to be exactly like us, so they wont need the same factors.

evolution is about adaptation. they would/will have adapted to their enviroment, just like all life on earth did.

the number one requirement for life is water,

Here...on this planet. Perhaps the same constraints don't exist elsewhere.

Here...on this planet. Perhaps the same constraints don't exist elsewhere.


EXACTLY!!!!

yzf, your are failing to crasp that life on other planets isnt going to be held to the same constraints (sp?) that life on earth is limited to.

the number one requirement for life is water, and the temperature range for liquid water is pretty narrow....plus the myriad of other factors that have to be "just so" for life, even simple life

I'm telling you, get this DVD, it will significantly impact how you think about this question

http://www.illustramedia.com/tppinfo.htm

btw God is not mentioned in it, neither is the Bible


Just so? They found bateria in caves with no light. In dirt hundreds/thousands of feet down where the only heat is from the magma underneath. In yelllowstone you'll find basic plants living in damn near boiling water, at the bottom of the ocean with thousands of LBS of pressure. Who calls that "just so"? Life is remarkably adaptive, the fact your here is proof. Now for the fun part. :evillaugh

You, and other very religious people say the world is only a few thousand years old right? (I'll use the number 6000 cause its already been mentioned) So, the world is made in 6 days and some short time after that adam and eve are stuck in a garden. Please stop me if I get some "facts" wrong, I'm going from memory of what I've been told about the bible. Shit goes down involving apples, you know the story. So, adam and eve bumb ugly's, have some kids who have kids and now we are here. You also say the bible refers to dinosaurs/big lizards/"Super Crocs" and if they existed (You yourself used the "based on fossil evidence" line as proof so therefore you belive there fossils are under the dirt somewhere) they had to have been around in the last 6000 years along with people cause how else they gonna record them. Anyways, if people were around to watch and record then its safe to say that people were dieing at the same point in time, weather natural or picked off by a few of the buggers. So a few thousand years go by, the lizards turn to fossils, and we dig them up. Where are the human fossils? Even if you disregard the carbon dating evidence, there'd have to be human bones at the same depth of dirt and/or lower. Explain to me how living creatures could live, die, get underground, turn to rock, and not have any human remains down there with them? I wanna hear the answer to this, I really do.

And while your thinking, ponder this one. Purely hypothetical here. What happens if (when) there is undeniable proof that live exists outside of this world? Joe Alien drops into your back yard and taser's your ass for experimentation. You've said that there cannot possibly be life outside of this razor thin atmosphere because god didn't make it. My guess is that you'll either ignore, dodge, spit out some bible quotes, or just plain say "well then god must have done it".

but that is nothing more than religious metaphysics....not science

how the hell is that religious metaphysics?

I'd prefer to not have you blow smoke up my ass. MarKKK already fills that role nicely. Sorry if that's "being a dick".

How was I blowing smoke up your ass? Did I attack you or your beliefs? Did I trash you personally? Did I get angry and threaten you?

No, no and no. You don't know me. We met a couple times but don't think for a second that I didn't come from a perspective very similar to yours before searching my soul long and hard before coming to Christ.

This is really a little disappointing, you seemed like a really down to earth respectful man. If you don't believe what I believe, state your opinion, but there is no need to make ad hominin attacks on me just because you don't like my beliefs. There are far more persuasive ways to refute my assertions than trying to make me look bad.

Only because he can't afford a real engine...

Now that was just weak. You yourself told me that you came from the same poor logging town that Curt Cobain grew up in, started out poor and worked your way up Microsoft due to hard work and ambition. How are YOU any different than me, considering YOU didn't own what you now do when you were in college?

free of religious baggage and subjective hypothesis


isn't science 'subjective hypothesis'?


and you keep saying life can't exist without water and air, but you can't seem to grasp that perhaps life elsewhere does not need to meet these constraints, because they do not live on this planet. perhaps God created life elsewere that doesn't need to conform to these standards. why are you placing limitations? He created the entire universe, all the animals, planets, space dust, man himself, I think He's capable of putting life elsewhere. He WANTS us to learn and to know all the glories of His universe; He could have put a stop to all scientific discovery if He wanted us to run around with such a close-minded point of view, thinking there was only the sun, stars, and us.

This is really a little disappointing, you seemed like a really down to earth respectful man.Look out Drew, here comes the "you really disappoint me" speech... :rolleyes:

Now that was just weak.Actually, the key words in that sentence were intended to be "real engine", not "can't afford", but was I wrong either way?

How are YOU any different than me, considering YOU didn't own what you now do when you were in college?I've mastered English sentence composition, for starters...

If you're going to act like an ass clown now that Mark is here to inflict his religious psychosis on us, then expect to get kicked in the nuts just like he does. No one wants to hear it, in case you hadn't noticed. However, if you can hang out and act like one of the guys instead of forum religious nut #2, then that's different.

well you sure can't call it science! life that exists without water, possibly without oxygen?
Plenty of life exists without oxygen. It's even poisonous to some species.

no....I will never question science, properly applied, that is, observable, testable, repeatable....free of religious baggage and subjective hypothesis


Alright then...
It is observable, testable, and that test can be repeated that a female is incapable of concieving a child without being impregnated by a man...
so what's your Mary vs. Science argument?

I certainly agree God created us with intelligent minds and this amazing window called planet earth within the Milky Way Galaxy where we can peer out and view the glories of the universe....but I believe that is to display His INFINITUDE, and His MAJESTY, not so we can look for little green men

So you would rather choose to beleive that we are alone in the universe.
You don't even want to look.

Are you from the same group who it took 600 years to accept that the earth is round? Would you have been against Magellan(sp?) going on his journey to find out? Or would you had said(like the Catholic Church)"your gonna fall off the edge"?

So I guess this means you don't "believe" in Earthquakes either?
The Continents connot still be changing and forming according to you.
Which would also mean that you believe the continents are not drifting apart.
In order for them to be still drifting apart they had to be one at some point right?
What about Pangea? It can't be denied, or you just don't believe in earthquakes.

How was I blowing smoke up your ass?

Did you read what you wrote? You compared MarKKK to the apostles. :rolleyes:


It is no accident that Yzf has a shitty reputation, that is how God designed it, and it was the same with the 12 apostles of Jesus Christ.


Did I attack you or your beliefs? Did I trash you personally? Did I get angry and threaten you?

Your point? You don't have to threaten me or trash me or my beliefs to become a nuisance. I'm obviously not the only one that thinks you've taken a strange turn.


No, no and no. You don't know me.

You're right, I don't. I only have the handfull of times we've interacted and what you put out on display here and at other forums to go by. I have to say that I'm surprised by how you're choosing to present yourself now. It's not at all similar to the person I met a couple years ago.

We met a couple times but don't think for a second that I didn't come from a perspective very similar to yours before searching my soul long and hard before coming to Christ.

Forgive me if I find your "conversion" disingenuous. I think you're just using it as a crutch to escape from whatever inner demons you think you're fighting. It's much easier to swallow a prepackaged message than it is to think for yourself.


This is really a little disappointing,

Boy, I'm crushed.

you seemed like a really down to earth respectful man.

Yeah, and you seemed more normal when you were into cars and racing, before you decided you wanted to be a card carrying, bible thumping soldier for Christ.


If you don't believe what I believe, state your opinion, but there is no need to make ad hominin attacks on me just because you don't like my beliefs.

Just as there's no need for you to try and force feed your beliefs on all of us. What you and wonderboy are doing is no less annoying than the door to door visits from Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses. If I wanted to be preached to I'd go to church. If I wanted to read scripture I'd open my bible.

Believe whatever you want to believe, just keep it out of my face.. YOU feel better about yourself through reading scripture. Great. More power to YOU. Key words there are YOU. Your soul seraching and introspection should be about your personal realtionship with God. Don't be so arrogant as to ASSume that you've figured it all out and you're going to show the rest of us the way. :rolleyes:

There are far more persuasive ways to refute my assertions than trying to make me look bad.

I'm not trying to pursuade you to do anything, and I don't have to do anything to make you look bad. You're doing a fine job of it on your own.

Now that was just weak. You yourself told me that you came from the same poor logging town that Curt Cobain grew up in, started out poor and worked your way up Microsoft due to hard work and ambition. How are YOU any different than me, considering YOU didn't own what you now do when you were in college?

Boy, you totaly missed the point. He was throwing a small dig at the fact you're using a Ford motor, not that you're poor.

fine....believe what you want to, but that isn't science, because so far, no such life exists in the known universe

so...just because something isn't known and sighted and documented, it isn't real? last I heard, nobody's seen and documented God in a little notebook and published it in Scientist Monthly, but you and i both know he's plenty real. science is all about hypothesis, experimentation, refutation of that hypothesis to form a more refined one. we haven't had the technology before to go explore the outer reaches of space, hence why these hypotheses have yet to be proven/disproven. that IS science.



I'm certainly not placing "limits" on God, He can do whatever He wants to, but I also believe His Word is pretty clear on this...Jesus Christ is the full manifestation of God in HUMAN flesh, not in alien flesh....God is TRIUNE, not some strange blend of aliens....God created us in His image

did we say Jesus and/or God was of alien flesh? no. you're completely missing the point. all we're saying is that there might be life on other planets that God Himself created. it could be some crazy nonhuman life-form, or it could be very much like us. we don't know. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT LIFE ON EARTH HERE, so we're not saying humans, we're not saying 'us' on other planets. so life that is NOT us does not have to be in God's image, just like the beasts were not in God's image, or anything BUT Adam himself.



I certainly agree God created us with intelligent minds and this amazing window called planet earth within the Milky Way Galaxy where we can peer out and view the glories of the universe....but I believe that is to display His INFINITUDE, and His MAJESTY, not so we can look for little green men

wouldn't finding other life he created be part of worshipping his infinitude, that he could create life in all reaches of the universe? i think giving us intelligent minds serves us to question what else is out there, what else he has created, rather than sitting on our little plot and saying, "This is it, this is all there is in the whoooooole world and no one will tell me otherwise because I like just looking at my plot."

yzf, you're being ridiculous, and i'm tired of arguing with you when you keep arguing the wrong point. obviously a lot of people care about alien life if we're so worked up about a planet that might potentially hold it. and this "[there is no possible way you can read multiple simultaneous (physical) created beings into scripture, with God manifesting Himself to all of them" makes no grammatical sense; why can't he appear to all of them? and no one says alien life would have the ability to communicate directly with God, just that maybe he created them. he created animals too and they don't directly communicate with him.

and you really need to stop playing the age card with me. "You're 18, you know nothing, I'm 30, I know so much more than you," is a tired argument.

i think this scientific finding is fascinating. i'm just surprised we haven't found any other terrestrial planets out there.

that IS the age card. "when I was your age..." is claiming i'm less intelligent because i'm younger.

you don't know it's a lifeless rock; they don't know it's inhabited with life either. that's why they're looking. that's why they're developing new technology to travel through those light years. not too long ago people thought it was impossible to know much about the Moon because it was so many miles away. and they're excited because it's the possibility of learning that we're not alone in the universe. it's presumptuous of you to say they're all atheists when you don't know them. but no one likes to think they're the only ones out there; the possibility that this life is even sentient is thrilling, because think of what they could know about their branch of the universe?

um, who says 'aliens will save us'? what a stupid thing to say; only crazy zealots who see UFOs in lights off a lake say things like that.

you're turning this into something it's not: a battle about belief in God. for Christ's sake, all that happened was that they think there's life out there, not that God doesn't exist and all Christians are wrong wrong wrong. calm down.

I'm not "playing the age card"You always play the age card. When losing an argument, you predictably play any card that you think gives you some advantage over others.

Well, guess what. We're tired of hearing about how wise, fit, or righteous you think you are, because A) we don't care, b) we don't care, and C) we know you're full of shit anyway.

even atheists need to hope in SOMETHING, it's human nature...No, curiosity is human nature...

Wanting to know more doesn't necessarily mean trying to prove some hidden agenda. You're so tied up in trying to prove your own personal agenda that you're unable to accept the possibility that anyone else might be without one.

what hope is there in the future of this planet, with war in Israel, and subsequently, WWIII looming on the horizon?

answer: none!Give it a rest, you loon... :rolleyes:

How about you post less about the bible,and more about testing your cutting edge non-seq setup. :roll:

I'm not catholic :)

many catholic "doctrines" are extra Biblical man made stuff....contrary to popular myth, there is no mention of a "flat earth" in the Bible, and, regardless of what the catholic church taught, many people did not believe such myths at that time
Uh...Many, many people did. You know, they are same people who claimed that large octopi were "monsters".

Then again, how often does the church endorse ,promote or recommend scientific experimentation.

no, I defend myself against false accusations, like yours, which never stopCorrection; accusations that you perceive to be false, resulting from shit you posted in the first place.

it's not my "personal" agendaYou're the only "Christian" I see babbling about it. If the shoe fits...

these guys do http://www.icr.org/


Sure they do. They do hopelessly biased "research" in the hopes of validating scripture. :rolleyes:

and they are the true church, not the buildings with stained glass

Right. :rolleyes: I guess a billion other christians are all listening to the wrong message. You're such a broken record.

Actually, Jesus returned already. They just arrested a man claiming to be the son of god liek a week ago. He seems to return a few times a year, and always gets locked up in the looney bin. There are probably a dozen Jesus Christ, sons of god in Barnes hospital.

and that trend will continue, and greatly escalate during the Tribulation

Will Jeff Probst be there? :D

many professing "Christians" are a) not even true Christians, i.e. have no walk with the Lord, b) are ignorant/misinformed...

You do know how funny you sound saying this after reading your quotes from teh 7club right?:evillaugh

many professing "Christians" are a) not even true ChristiansLike you, for example...

well I never live in the pastYou never learn from it either, evidently...

and that trend will continue, and greatly escalate during the TribulationNow, is this tribulation thing going to be worldwide, or is it going to be very localized, like that flood thing I keep hearing about?

sometimes I don't, you're right....that is a valid criticismNo shit. You set up shop here and on the first day you were doing the same shit that got you in trouble on the RX-7 Club forum 4 years ago.

problem is I tend to have a short fuse, especially with people I do not respectYou see, there you go again, focusing on the wrong part of the equation. It's not a question of who you respect, but whether anyone has any respect for you. The answer is obviously a resounding "hell, no".

Even other Christians shun you, with the exception of those as loony as you are. That alone should tell you something.

anyway, I have enough good friends, so who caresThen what are you doing here?

Go hang out with your good friends and leave the forums alone. If you can't leave the forums alone, why don't you become a contributor to www.icr.org or something?

The bottom line is, WHY IN FUCK'S SAKE DO YOU FEEL THE NEED TO PREACH ON CAR FORUMS?

It's just strange how two of the people who trash others on the forum so much, thus establishing their superiority, find it annoying that such a simple, inferior message could cause so much irritation.

I'm not irritated by your trashing of me, why are you irritated that I talk about God, Jesus, the apostles, and why Mark is who he is?

If Labrek and Lellis were so established in thinking for themselves, surely they would find no irritation in a message that is wrong; likewise it would be simple to refute said message without personal attacks. Ironic really, almost smells like insecurity...... If it is irritating, don't read my posts..... put me on ignore, and be happy. Unless ignoring me violates the sense of defending ones self image?

you call it "preaching", I call it "debating".So your version of debating consists of your posting something and everyone else pointing out that you're a complete fucktard? Interesting...

usually with some high intellect comment such as "what you believe is shit" :rolleyes:Just telling the truth.

If Labrek and Lellis were so established in thinking for themselves, surely they would find no irritation in a message that is wrong;The point is that Mark can't refrain from hauling the Son, the Father, and the holy spirit of ICR.ORG into damn near every thread he participates in.

I have no problem with Mark being a religious quack... on his own time. I have no problem with him having radically different views of the Bible than the Christians I'm familiar with... on his own time. I do have a problem with him showing up on yet another non-Christian forum and trying to bend every conversation to the only topic he's apparently capable of talking about.

It's like living in Miami and having someone following you around with a rain cloud all the time.

Unless ignoring me violates the sense of defending ones self image?Wow, you're crafty... :rolleyes:

It's just strange how two of the people who trash others on the forum so much,

I only trash MarKKK.


thus establishing their superiority

Sure Jeff. That's what I'm doing here, establishing my "superiority" over a bunch of nebulous beings I'll never meet.

find it annoying that such a simple, inferior message could cause so much irritation.

It is annoying. If I followed you around telling you how much Ford motors suck you'd get tired of it in a hurry.


I'm not irritated by your trashing of me,

Clearly not since you referred to me as an asshole. :rolleyes:

why are you irritated that I talk about God, Jesus, the apostles, and why Mark is who he is?

Because this isn't vacation bible study. It's largely a spinoff of a CAR forum.


If Labrek and Lellis were so established in thinking for themselves, surely they would find no irritation in a message that is wrong

I find all fallacy and lunacy irritating. It has nothing to do with my ability to think for myself.
likewise it would be simple to refute said message without personal attacks.

If you say so. Sometimes people need to be slapped in the head to get their attention. Several people have told you they don't appreciate your proselytizing, yet you continue.

Ironic really, almost smells like insecurity......

Please, you're one to talk about insecurity. :rolleyes:

All that soul searching before arriving at Christ was because you were completely secure right? More likely you were sad and lonely and you've found comfort and acceptance in scripture. I won't critcize that, but I will criticize your decision to share it with anyone who'll listen.

If it is irritating, don't read my posts..... put me on ignore, and be happy.

I'd rather you act like a normal person and just hang out as one of the guys.

Unless ignoring me violates the sense of defending ones self image?


Gee, thanks for the free psychoanalysis DOC. It means a lot coming from a Bible thumping engineering student. I'm surprised you didn't find a way to work calculus into your analysis. :rolleyes:

Jim,

do I really post on that many threads here?

Yup. You comment on anything that contains one of your buzz words, or anything that you have a link for.

http://www.theforumlounge.com/thread5974-how-bad-is-the-average-guys-diet.html

any "buzzwords" there? no icr.org links either

Wow one whole thread. That totally invalidates my observation. There are also no icr links in your turbo materials thread. So that's at least two. Keep it up and you'll look like a regular poster. :shocked:

I need to start advertising the site again

I need to start advertising the site again
Try here:www.atheistalliance.org/ ;)

I won't critcize that, but I will criticize your decision to share it with anyone who'll listen.It's like being around one of those annoying born-again-drunks who has to tell everyone they meet that they're an alcoholic and they've been sober for X years.

I'd rather you act like a normal person and just hang out as one of the guys.I don't think they're capable of it, personally.

maybe I should post some naked chicks in the sex/relationships sub-forumMaybe you should just take the hint and leave...

YZF is a nut... The guy is seriously not all there...

I wonder if being crazier than a shithouse rat shows in the eyes...

Blood pouring out like dust...flesh like refuse...

Interesting.. technology of nuclear weapons wasn't known then.

YZF, is this blasphemous? Some of the lyrics are wrong, but this is without any additional preaching.

http://www.engelen.demon.nl/666.htm#THE%20SYSTEM

So you decided to quote more Bible shit at me after being told that it was one of your least endearing traits? Smart move.

that is certainly satanically influenced music

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Satanic..... :roll:

More liek tongue in cheek stabs at the "righteous".

Nothing worng wiht spiceing up the bible though. St. John's words never seemed so alive!

most ignorant people like you deny Satan exists

and he likes that....that is exactly how he wins, generally speaking

if you fail to recognize the enemy, you will be easily overtaken by him

Well I don't believe in him. But if he were to show up at my door step one day I'd embrace him. Bearing false witness is my trade. Coveting thy neighbors wife is my hobby.

why am I not surprised??

At least I don't pretend to be something I'm not.

Unlike everyone else on the internet, I'm not the strongest, smartest, wealthiest, largest cock wielding, righteous mother fucker in the world.

why am I not surprised??

Romans 1

Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, greed and depravity. They are full of deceit. They are God-haters,faithless. Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

likely sums up your life perfectly


you're editing posts agin. I'll fix your edit to fit me though. Which I know is not right, as you are the rightfull judge of everyone.

I will offend you at willThe only thing you'll do "at will" is to continue making an ass out yourself.

Gee, thanks for the free psychoanalysis DOC. It means a lot coming from a Bible thumping engineering student. I'm surprised you didn't find a way to work calculus into your analysis. :rolleyes:

Hey I take issue with your belittling of the fundamental language of practical science...... don't tempt me, I've got more differential equations stuck in my head right now than there are off topic discussions taking place on this spinoff of a car forum.

This is so lame...... I really have to meet up with you again, Labrek too, but not for a Yzf reason. Getting a slap in the face is so much more meaningful with a human on the other end of it, bwahahahaha.

I never denied that the LS1 is better than the 302, and I'm painfully aware of how broke I am and how little time I have, so sorry if I took some of the fun jokes in here the wrong way.

A heavily modded n/a 302's power band is still pretty bad ass....

They're what... 1/10th the cost of a LS1 and there's 100x as many laying around?

They're good motors.

Wow, you're crafty... :rolleyes:

Try harder. You can't tear me down. Do you realize how demoralizing this semester has been so far? Do you know what it means to have 90% of your waking hours occupied with forced excercises in frustration?

I guess you do; herding cats, considering who you are herding, is probably a bad time. Maybe it is why slapping around people on the internet is such a pastime of yours.

Come on you pussy, do it, is that all you got?

I missed something...

Why is being a student a bad thing? If you're making any money.. you were a student at some point...

I really have to meet up with you again, Labrek too, but not for a Yzf reason. Getting a slap in the face is so much more meaningful with a human on the other end of it, bwahahahaha.I guarantee you'd only do it once. In the meantime, the least you could do is spell my name right.

You can't tear me down.I can, have, and will continue to whenever I feel like it. :bigthumb:

So how about those steelers?

Hey I take issue with your belittling of the fundamental language of practical science......

I'm not belittling math. I'm belittling the fact that you seem to think whatever you learned in class this week has some immediate all encompassing real world application (modelling oil deposits through calc anyone?).

don't tempt me, I've got more differential equations stuck in my head right now than there are off topic discussions taking place on this spinoff of a car forum.

What's your point? You're not the only one to suffer through Diffy Q. Even I had to take it. Fortuntately I've promptly forgotten all of it since it's useless in my professional life.


This is so lame...... I really have to meet up with you again, Labrek too, but not for a Yzf reason. Getting a slap in the face is so much more meaningful with a human on the other end of it, bwahahahaha..

Please. What are you, some "queer eye" metrosexual fag? You'll "slap" me?

Unlike LaBreck you've actually met me in person, so you know what you'd be getting into. I've only got you by what 60-70 pounds? If you laid a finger on me in any aggressive manner I'd beat the snot out of you in a heartbeat.


I never denied that the LS1 is better than the 302, and I'm painfully aware of how broke I am and how little time I have,

It's a subtle jab, nothing more. Don't read anything into it that's not there.

I happen to know that Jim owns two Ford powered vehicles, so it's not the brand he's trashing. Some of us even have some experience with 302s, having owned a late 80's Mustang.


so sorry if I took some of the fun jokes in here the wrong way.

You still don't get it. We're (or at least I'm not) not belittling your faith. I just don't want to wade through it. If your personal realtionship with God enriches your life that much more that's great. Feel free to share that with everyone in the appropriate context (meaning at church, or Bible study).

In the meantime I have my own life experiences, my own beliefs to arrive at my own relationship (or lack thereof) with God. I don't need anyone external trying to force fit their version of spirituality on me.

Try harder. You can't tear me down.

Sure we can. He'll probably even make you cry.

Do you realize how demoralizing this semester has been so far?

Wahhhhhhhh! Want some cheese to go with that whine? Lot's of us went to school Jeff. You're not the first to suffer through your coursework while trying to maintain a life outside of it.

Do you know what it means to have 90% of your waking hours occupied with forced excercises in frustration?

He has a 2 year old, so I'm guessing he does.


Come on you pussy, do it, is that all you got?

Give it a rest. You're not in Jim's league.

Try harder. You can't tear me down.
http://www.theforumlounge.com/showpost.php?p=58208&postcount=27

well, who is?

You're certainly not. Any chimp that can type CTRL-C CTRL-V could put forth the same argument you do.

and any "chimp" lame ass "scientist" can post crap from talkorigins.org! yeah, I post links, but so do you!

The only talkorigins posts I linked were the ones that DIRECTLY refute your lame ass ICR/AIG crap point by point.

The other stuff I linked was straight from pubmed, which isn't anything more than a search engine for peer reviewed publications. Hardly the same reguritory technique that you practice. Nice try though.

we agree on something, ha....it doesn't happen that often
Don't read too much into it. :evillaugh

Diffy Q being worthless is probably as close to a universal truth as there is. :D

MEs may use it?

I doubt it. I don't think my wife ever did anyways, in the short time that she ws employed as an engineer.

There's probably software to take care of that for them. I'm guessing there's not too much calculation by hand these days. :)

and I'll do the same....jackass

more liver cancer to youGood morning to you too, Pipsqueak! :D

I happen to know that Jim owns two Ford powered vehicles, so it's not the brand he's trashing. Some of us even have some experience with 302s, having owned a late 80's Mustang.1989 Mustang GT here. :D

Jeff, the only logical reason anyone would willingly start an engine conversion 44-48 cubes short is if they were strapped for cash. Camaro 267 and 305 CID V8s are cheap as shit (because no one wants them), but you don't see people running out to swap in a baby V8, do you? Well, except for V8 RX-7's TPI convertible, and once again... strapped for cash. :D

he'll be in a casket within 30 years...And statistically speaking, so will you.

he'll just be ashesAt least you got that right. Traditional burial plots are a waste of perfectly good real estate.

1989 Mustang GT here. :D

Same here. 60's camaro, 80's mustang. V8 powered 90's RX7. Living parallel lives? :roll:

Same here. 60's camaro, 80's mustang. V8 powered 90's RX7. Living parallel lives? :roll:You don't have a mad DORIFTO Lincoln Town Car. Yet. :D

You don't have a mad DORIFTO Lincoln Town Car. Yet. :D

True. I'm not quite as old as you yet either. ;)

I have to send you a pic of our Camry so I can get a sig pic. :D

I don't want to meet either of you to slap you or do some metrosexual type of activity, you took it the wrong way, all I was saying is I can't believe you both could actually be this arrogant in person. But it's cool, Andrew if you thought I was meaning I would lay a finger on you, that is not how I meant it but oh well, looks like I'm not in this league.

I wanted to see some real ownage of me, and actually it came from whoever posted that link to my post a few months ago when I claimed I had made my last post here, so yeah, that was a beat down.

This place brings out the worst in me and I should take a break. Have a great day.

I don't want to meet either of you to slap you or do some metrosexual type of activity, you took it the wrong way,

Obviously Jim and I both read it that way.


all I was saying is I can't believe you both could actually be this arrogant in person.

You've met me several times. You know how arrogant I am in person. I'm the same person. I don't suffer fools gladly.

But it's cool, Andrew if you thought I was meaning I would lay a finger on you, that is not how I meant it but oh well, looks like I'm not in this league.

Clearly.


I wanted to see some real ownage of me, and actually it came from whoever posted that link to my post a few months ago when I claimed I had made my last post here, so yeah, that was a beat down.

Glad you could get what you wanted. :confused:


This place brings out the worst in me and I should take a break. Have a great day.

See you when you get back. :evillaugh

all I was saying is I can't believe you both could actually be this arrogant in person.I'm a Type A personality, and I don't want to hear about your religion. Figure it out.

I wanted to see some real ownage of me, and actually it came from whoever posted that link to my post a few months ago when I claimed I had made my last post here, so yeah, that was a beat down.I thought this one was pretty good too...

http://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php?p=4946282&postcount=45

Jim, did oyu use to race pro?

translation: I'm a 36 year old close minded wrench head/former drag racer, and I THINK I know everything....don't challenge what I believe about ultimate questions (not that I give it much thought, I'm too self obsessed and insipid for that) or I get ugly, real fast

You're any different? You're a pathetic 38 year old, terminally single, card carrying, bible thumping soldier for Christ that assumes he alone is capable of interpretting scripture. And you don't even wait until you're challenged to get ugly, you just start out that way. :screwyou:

terminally single? guess again :)

Married? Children? Stopped living in mom and da's home? Didn't think so.

btw, mr. andrew....are you a chess player? :)
That's Dr to you jackass. ;)

I know how to play, but I don't with any frequency. I think I was ~10 the lsat time I played.

translation: I'm a 36 year old close minded wrench head/former drag racer, and I THINK I know everything....don't challenge what I believe about ultimate questions (not that I give it much thought, I'm too self obsessed and insipid for that) or I get ugly, real fast:roll:

OK, now do yourself.

~10?


LOL. Ten years old.

do you have a rating?

Obviously no.

let's play a game on yahoo

I like to beat up on PhDs ;)

And that would prove what exactly?

:roll:

OK, now do yourself.

I already profiled him. :D

I'm pretty goodNo you're not. I've shit things that had more inborn talent than you do.

I'll play anyone on this forum.....and I'll win....easyWow, you're even more desperate to prove yourself the best at something than I originally thought. What's next? Equestrian events? Archery?

chess is the ultimate game of logicWhich you've repeatedly proven yourself to be no student of...

doesn't prove anything....but it would be fun to beat up on you anyway :D

I'm pretty good

Wow, Captain Humility strikes again. Try not to get hurt patting yourself on the back.

One of the nice things about being a moderator is that I get to see the funny shit that some of u post and later on delete it for whatever reason.