I'm for legalizing the natural, unprocessed ones like Mushrooms and pot that u consume.

Not the lab ones that u inject in the veins.

Why? I think we spend too much money on fighting the "safer" drugs.

Socially, I'm pretty liberal. I'm all for drugs being legalized.

Natural only, all the way :D

Socially, I'm pretty liberal. I'm all for drugs being legalized.

I wanted to adopt that stance, but given the problems with folks on drugged up people should the tax payers pay for those that suffer the consequences and don't have medical insurance.

It's not like we can just let them lay in the streets and become speed bumps for rx7's.........

I wouldn't see why not... Gotta go sometime, and what better way to do so then to get hit by a 7... :D

I'm for legalizing the natural, unprocessed ones like Mushrooms and pot that u consume.

Not the lab ones that u inject in the veins.

Why? I think we spend too much money on fighting the "safer" drugs.


I agree the war on drugs is a failure. You can't stop adults who want them anyway. All it would do is save money and put drug lords out of business.

Natural only, all the way :D
:werd:

I wouldn't see why not... Gotta go sometime, and what better way to do so then to get hit by a 7... :D


Actually it would suck have to pull bodies out of grilles. unless someone slaps up the picture of the 4X4 FC.

i wouldnt wanna dent up my MaDD tIgHT InTurrCo0L3R Y0!!!

make em all illegal they just cause stupid shitt

Make them all legal, and then tax the hell out of them like we do cigarettes and alcohol.

People ruin their lives every year by crawling into a bottle, an dyet alcohol is still legal. You can't legislate based on the potential consequences of bad decisions (At some point personal responsibility has to come into play), so turn them all loose IMHO.

Drugs should be illegal, INCLUDING cigarettes. Alcohol and Caffeine are the only two drugs which humans seem to be able to use in moderation without side effects which adversely affect their ability to perform every day life. You could certainly go to work or drive a car with a beer in you, although I don't condone the latter.

Drugs, including cigarettes, should be illegal, because I don't need to be harassed by a bunch of potheads smoking on a street corner or injured by some dumbfuck tripping on LSD.

your just angry cause your not old enough to purchase alcohol or cigarettes

I would be pissed if someone hit my 7 because they are on some drug...

LMFAO. I don't plan to drink, even when I do turn 21. I just don't have the desire to use any kind of drug or drink at all, even sips of parent's beers. Call me pansy, fag, w/e, but I just don't find that to be a desirable activity.

I'm for legalizing the natural, unprocessed ones like Mushrooms and pot that u consume.

Not the lab ones that u inject in the veins.

Why? I think we spend too much money on fighting the "safer" drugs.

Everything should be more legal than it is now, but necessarily stratight-up legal. Getting caught with most things should be the equivalent of a speeding ticket.

We don't want to encourage it, but it's certainly not worth ruining someone's life over.

If it was just plain legal for virually any drugs, I sure as hell wouldn't be accepting any drinks or food from strangers.

I really dig the current mindset in this country. Let's just get rid of or outlaw everything that's dangerous or inconvenient for people. If people would just be accountable for their actions we wouldn't need so many laws.

It's a never ending viscious cycle. Legislate or ban one activity or vice and move on to the next one. Why stop at drugs? Guns? Knives? Porn? Violent Movies and Video Games? What do we need those for? Maybe we should get rid of cars that are able to exceed national speed limits too? After all, they're just for transportation right? I don't need to be put my life at risk by some adrenaline junkie that feels the need to exceed triple digit speeds on public roads.

The continuing pussification of this country makes me sick. :puke:

Legislate or ban one activity or vice and move on to the next one. Why stop at drugs? Guns? Knives?

All of those can be used to harm other people, and as such, their legal size is restricted.

Porn?

If you beat off 15 times a day to underage porn, you're not hurting me.

Violent Movies and Video Games? What do we need those for?

For fun. You still have to get ahold of an illegal item, such as a knife or a gun, to actually do anything, and if you're fucked up enough to allow video games to impact you in such a way, chances are the only person you're gonna be hurting is yourself.

Maybe we should get rid of cars that are able to exceed national speed limits too? After all, they're just for transportation right? I don't need to be put my life at risk by some adrenaline junkie that feels the need to exceed triple digit speeds on public roads.

Jeez. Why the fuck do you need high-speed internet access? It's just a tool used by hackers to harm other people's computers and data. I don't need my personal information put at risk by some adrenaline junkie that feels the need to hack into my computer using his high-speed internet connection.

The continuing pussification of this country makes me sick. :puke:

So move somewhere else, asshat. Don't come crying to ANYONE, including the police, when some jackass hopped up on LSD beats your ass down.

Clown.

Savington, thats the second time you refered to "hopped up LSD'' users harming someone; I think you have LSD confused with dust

For fun. You still have to get ahold of an illegal item, such as a knife or a gun, to actually do anything, and if you're fucked up enough to allow video games to impact you in such a way, chances are the only person you're gonna be hurting is yourself.

Jeez. Why the fuck do you need high-speed internet access? It's just a tool used by hackers to harm other people's computers and data. I don't need my personal information put at risk by some adrenaline junkie that feels the need to hack into my computer using his high-speed internet connection.


Nice job there champ. Those questions were rhetorical and tongue-in-cheek. You didn't need to address them. :rolleyes:


So move somewhere else, asshat.

Why should I move? I was born here. I'd rather voice my complaints and exercise my right to vote.


Don't come crying to ANYONE, including the police, when some jackass hopped up on LSD beats your ass down.

:roll:

Clown.

Ouch. The 15 year old called me a clown. :(

Personally I don't think drugs should be legalized however on a logical stance I think they should just let it go. Because, people that want to do it will do it and get it however they feel, legal or not. Therefore, to save money and just let shit go it wouldnt be a bad concept. But, I still don't agree with it.

Make them all legal, and then tax the hell out of them like we do cigarettes and alcohol.Or make them cheap and flood the market.

Take the monetary component out of the equation so you don't have crack heads stealing for their next fix and eliminate the profit for dealers. Then when everyone's nice and happy with the new government-run drug infrastructure, poison the shit out of the supply and start fresh. :)

no

Or make them cheap and flood the market.

Take the monetary component out of the equation so you don't have crack heads stealing for their next fix and eliminate the profit for dealers. Then when everyone's nice and happy with the new government-run drug infrastructure, poison the shit out of the supply and start fresh. :)

Sorta like natural selection.

Our government will not legalize marijuana for the fact they cant tax it. It grows anywhere (unlike tobacco) and if they want to sell legal weed for a 100 bucks a quarter ounce there will still be a street dealer selling it elsewhere for cheaper.


And for the record the government grows some good ass weed!

Sorta like natural selection.A little bleach in the gene pool at the right point in time could work wonders for cleaning up society... :D

*snicker*

That means a whole lot of kids in their 20's and less.......

yes, cause food tastes so good right now.

I don't think it's fair that alcohol is legal and weed is not.Alcohol used to be illegal many years ago but our government wanted in on the cash being made so they legalized it to line their own pockets.Weed is not illegal because of moral reasons,it's illegal for monetary reasons.Not to mention the fact that i've never heard of someone smoking a joint and killing someone in an accident, or having to go to rehab.WTF?

Not to mention the fact that i've never heard of someone smoking a joint and killing someone in an accident, or having to go to rehab.WTF?

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-25,GGLG:en&q=marijuana+accident

First of all, IMO anyone who does drugs is a fucking retard.

Second of all, I don't count alcohol as a "drug."


Third, in my line of work, any kind of "mind altering" anything is dangerous. "safety sensative" only begins to scratch the surface of the environs I work in.

Do I want some stung out dumb fuck blinding a vessel I'll be cramming my ass into to try and inspect? NO. Do I want some strung out dumb fuck to be running a crane while I work bellow and around him? NO. Do I want some strung out dumb fuck air arcing a weld out while I'm in there or near him? NO. Do I want some stung out dumb fuck doing anything while I'm around them? NO.

If a person wants to drugs bad enough, I personally think they should have to give up rights.

Right to drive, right to vote, right to have a job where anyone might be injured because of a fuckup on their part.

Hell, I even go so far as to say, if they want it bad enough to be legal, mark them out some way. Give them an ID card so if they go an apply for a job that they can't have the employer would have the RIGHT to refuse to even accept an application.

I am sick and FUCKING tired of having to give every single goddamned employee a pre-employment drug test when only maybe 1/4th of them can pass it. If they don't pass, they can't work, but we still have to pay them their first couple weeks wages.

You guys can flame me all you want, but gods honest truth, I have never done anything more then smoke some cigars and drink liquor, and in my not so humble opinion, anyone who stoops to drugs has some serious fucking issues in their life they should adress instead of trying to escape chemically.

That goes for "feel happy" legal pills that doctors give hypocondriacs as well.

I never done drugs in my life.............. no really.

First of all, IMO anyone who does drugs is a fucking retard.

Second of all, I don't count alcohol as a "drug."


Third, in my line of work, any kind of "mind altering" anything is dangerous. "safety sensative" only begins to scratch the surface of the environs I work in.

Do I want some stung out dumb fuck blinding a vessel I'll be cramming my ass into to try and inspect? NO. Do I want some strung out dumb fuck to be running a crane while I work bellow and around him? NO. Do I want some strung out dumb fuck air arcing a weld out while I'm in there or near him? NO. Do I want some stung out dumb fuck doing anything while I'm around them? NO.

If a person wants to drugs bad enough, I personally think they should have to give up rights.

Right to drive, right to vote, right to have a job where anyone might be injured because of a fuckup on their part.

Hell, I even go so far as to say, if they want it bad enough to be legal, mark them out some way. Give them an ID card so if they go an apply for a job that they can't have the employer would have the RIGHT to refuse to even accept an application.

I am sick and FUCKING tired of having to give every single goddamned employee a pre-employment drug test when only maybe 1/4th of them can pass it. If they don't pass, they can't work, but we still have to pay them their first couple weeks wages.

You guys can flame me all you want, but gods honest truth, I have never done anything more then smoke some cigars and drink liquor, and in my not so humble opinion, anyone who stoops to drugs has some serious fucking issues in their life they should adress instead of trying to escape chemically.

That goes for "feel happy" legal pills that doctors give hypocondriacs as well.


Does..... Does this mean we can't be friends anymore, Sup? :tear:

Does..... Does this mean we can't be friends anymore, Sup? :tear:
DAK, it means I'm fed up.

we had ten motherfucking SAFETY GUYS run off this last shut down for drugs.

SAFETY GUYS!!!!

those asshats are the people that are supposed to make sure I DON'T DIE.

I don't care if you do drugs, I don't care if you SELL drugs, but when your personal habbits start to intrude on my personal safety, then I have an issue.

DAK, it means I'm fed up.

we had ten motherfucking SAFETY GUYS run off this last shut down for drugs.

SAFETY GUYS!!!!

those asshats are the people that are supposed to make sure I DON'T DIE.

I don't care if you do drugs, I don't care if you SELL drugs, but when your personal habbits start to intrude on my personal safety, then I have an issue.

:werd:

In that sense, i'll agree with you...

Luckily, i'm smart enough to realize that if I plan to take a "vapor trip", i'm staying inside and relaxed untill I come back... Last thing I need to do is be unfocused at something that requires full attention...

:werd:

In that sense, i'll agree with you...
interesting.

A thoughtfull druggie. :swords:




















:wiggle:

interesting.

A thoughtfull druggie. :swords:

:wiggle:

Hey, we're not all bad...

I'm actually more productive when I smoke, mostly due to the fact that i'm involved in a lot of high stress situations usually.... Also, I only smoke AFTER the day is done if I happen to have any, never before or during a day of work or driving.... Most i'd ever spend is like $50 a month....

And i'm restricted to chronic by choice... If it ain't natural, I don't want any part of it... :bigthumb:

I know "you" aren't "all bad"

I'm still just a little pissed over it. Especially when my crew had to take most of the ass reaming over the safety boys fuck up. Inspection shouldn't have ever even heard a whisper of it, but instead of that we were treated like it was our fault.


FYI, it fucking sucks being a shift foreman on a job where I was one of the youngest people on the facility.

I know "you" aren't "all bad"

I'm still just a little pissed over it. Especially when my crew had to take most of the ass reaming over the safety boys fuck up. Inspection shouldn't have ever even heard a whisper of it, but instead of that we were treated like it was our fault.


FYI, it fucking sucks being a shift foreman on a job where I was one of the youngest people on the facility.

That sucks... :(

yeah, shit happens, jobs end, life goes on.

Thankfully last night was the last night shift, though I'm considering going back to the plant tonight to tell the night superintendent that he was a cocksucking asshat and I hope to never work on another of his jobs again.

Legalize the natural stuff. It makes no sense to have alcohol legal and pot not.

Laws are already in place determining who can, when you can, and where you can drink so the same rules can apply to weed. Get caught stoned on a job? Get fired. Want to fire up a blunt and drive? Get a DUI. Get multiple charges? Get sent to NA or rehab.

It's not a perfect system in place for alcohol abusers (I think the DUI laws are too lenient) but it's a start.

Plus- why not glean tax revenue instead of pumping billions into BS enforcement and interdiction programs?

Legalize the natural stuff. It makes no sense to have alcohol legal and pot not.

Laws are already in place determining who can, when you can, and where you can drink so the same rules can apply to weed. Get caught stoned on a job? Get fired. Want to fire up a blunt and drive? Get a DUI. Get multiple charges? Get sent to NA or rehab.

It's not a perfect system in place for alcohol abusers (I think the DUI laws are too lenient) but it's a start.

Plus- why not glean tax revenue instead of pumping billions into BS enforcement and intradiction programs?

:werd: x 2

As long as a druggie colored man doesn't blame his shortcomings on the white man.

As long as a druggie colored man doesn't blame his shortcomings on the white man.

I don't have time to blame other people for my problems... Too busy trying to solve them for myself... :D

Good........


http://www.cmerrill.com/archives/zell.palpatine.jpg

How in the fuck can you say Alcohol ISNT a drug? Are you dead serious? At the very least its a controlled substance that kills just as many if not more people than pot could ever think of doing. Nevermind the fact you cant become addicted to pot physically, I mean Im not religous but even God said it was okay.


1:11
And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

1:12
And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good

and here comes the religious bullshit...


also, how can you say you can't get addicted?

A person can become addicted to anything. And I mean anything, from porn to pot to driving to alcohol.

If they ever made alcohol illegal I would move. Seriously.

also, how can you say you can't get addicted?


He only said it isn't physically addictive, like nicotine or caffeine for example, where you go through withdrawal if you stop taking it. But you're right, you can become psychologically addicted to just about anything.

and here comes the religious bullshit...


also, how can you say you can't get addicted?

A person can become addicted to anything. And I mean anything, from porn to pot to driving to alcohol.


I was always told that your body doesnt become PHYSICALLY addicted to smoking marijuana and this is coming from a few doctors who I have discussed this with before in friendly conversations.

As far as the religous bullshit Im with ya on that, I dont go to church and as shitty as life can be I wonder about God existing at all. Im just pointing out that some of the people anti-drugs are religous fanatics and the Bible says right in the book of Genesis that God gave us ALL seed bearing plants and herbs to use.

Marijuana has been used for thousands of years, Medicinal purposes are proven, and Hemp is STILL one of the strongest fibers we could use instead of cutting down every tree on the earth to produce paper. George Washington himself grew it. Its not a moral battle its a monetary one, If the government could get in on the money they would. They cant so it remains illegal.

George Washington himself grew it.

Damn straight. How do you think he skipped that rock across the Potomac?

"Duuuudddde!!! Check out the trails on that flattie going across!.... WHOA!!"

Damn straight. How do you think he skipped that rock across the Potomac?

"Duuuudddde!!! Check out the trails on that flattie going across!.... WHOA!!"


I always look forward to your replys Tom, you are off the chain. :roll:

I was always told that your body doesnt become PHYSICALLY addicted to smoking marijuana
guess you could get into the whole "the body is merely an extension of the mind" argument where all mental addictions become physical addictions.





but that just wouldn't be worth it.

guess you could get into the whole "the body is merely an extension of the mind" argument where all mental addictions become physical addictions.

but that just wouldn't be worth it.

You know what they say, opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one and the majority of them stink. :swords:

^ :werd:

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-25,GGLG:en&q=marijuana+accident
Did you happen to notice the eighth search result down?
Recent research into impairment and traffic accident reports from several countries shows that marijuana taken alone in moderate amounts does not significantly increase a driver's risk of causing an accident -- unlike alcohol, says Smiley, an adjunct professor in the department of mechanical and industrial engineering . While smoking marijuana does impair driving ability, it does not share alcohol's effect on judgment. Drivers on marijuana remain aware of their impairment, prompting them to slow down and drive more cautiously to compensate, she says


http://www.news.utoronto.ca/bin/19990329a.asp

Did you happen to notice the eighth search result down?



http://www.news.utoronto.ca/bin/19990329a.asp
I still believe that if a person wants it bad enough, they should have the choice.

The right to drive, or the right to smoke dope.

Legalize weed, not sure about mushrooms you can get pretty messed up on some of those, and crazy, then make the legal drinking age 18 again instead of 21. However, making driving restrictions for people on weed just like alcohol.

I believe as of now they can't test the quantity of THC in the bloodstream, just the grey area of how long ago you smoked. But I could be wrong. Although I have driven while under the influence o marijuana, I no longer do so because it DOES impair your judgement.

However...

Everyday you see hundreds of cases where someone got violent with someone else while under the influence of alcohol. Ever read in the paper how someone flew off the handle in a stoner rage? "Pass the motherfuckin' Doritoes or I'll KILL YOU!!!"

It just doesn't happen.

And to all those people who want to say pot is a gateway drug to harder narcotics, I always said, if your life requires a harder drug of choice than pot; then you need to examine your life, and not your drug of choice.

And to all those people who want to say pot is a gateway drug to harder narcotics, I always said, if your life requires a harder drug of choice than pot; then you need to examine your life, and not your drug of choice.

:werd: x3

Damn, there's some really smart people up in here... :D

Ever read in the paper how someone flew off the handle in a stoner rage? "Pass the motherfuckin' Doritoes or I'll KILL YOU!!!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: But seriously, I agree.

DAK, do you smoke 'Jamaican cigarettes' or salvia divinorum?

Y'know, i've always wanted to see what the deal is with Salvia but I haven't gotten around to getting my hands on some...

I stay true to the stick icky, man... :rasta:

Also, since I like living, I don't really deal with blunts or papers, i'm a vaporizer sorta guy... Nice clean hits that go down like nothing at first, but hit like you're spraying "giggle gas" in a matter of minutes....

Natural only, all the way :D

+ a bagillion

Y'know, i've always wanted to see what the deal is with Salvia but I haven't gotten around to getting my hands on some...

I stay true to the stick icky, man... :rasta:

Also, since I like living, I don't really deal with blunts or papers, i'm a vaporizer sorta guy... Nice clean hits that go down like nothing at first, but hit like you're spraying "giggle gas" in a matter of minutes....

should get a hookah and pack a 1/2 hit under the wet tobacco...