Local guy "wants something new" and offered to trade me, straight across, or possibly with a small amount (maybe $1k) of cash going my way.

my car:

'93 touring
140,000KM on chassis, ~20,000km on motor and transmission/turbos/etc.
Needs paint, real bad. Tan/black interior in fair condition. Seats rough, rest is decent. Mechanicals are excellent aside from it needing a new airbox, and muffler. Has a 3" exhaust to stock muffler but is otherwise stock. Car is probably worth $8-10k CDN as it sits, if that. Would be worth a ton more with a paintjob, but paint wouldn't be cheap because of how much work it would need.

his car:

'87 supra, targa, 7M-GTE. Updated bodywork to '92? style. Red paint in PERFECT condition (show quality), tan interior also very good, with new seats. 2 or 3 sets of wheels, plus a TON of extra parts. new motor, (0km, being rebuilt right now), new trans (1000km), new diff (0km). 300,000km or so on chassis, but 90% of it's been replaced.
Has a GT40, custom sheetmetal intake manifold, fmic, 3" exhaust etc, etc, etc.. makes 500hp.
No idea what mk3 supras are worth, I know in bad shape they can be had for $500, but this one is stellar.

I'm really torn on trading him, it would be nice to have a zero effort 500hp daily drivable car (as my 10AE is not a nice dd) - compared to the work I have to do to the FD, but I realllly like my FD.

I personally would not trade. Your car is worth a bit more then his.


I reccomend you take it for a test drive, the MKIII is quite a heavy vehicle, especially compared to the FD, it was more of a 'luxury vehicle' and if you do your own work it's not exactly a pleasant car to work on.

In the end, it's up to your preference.

You will hate yourself for going from an FD to a heavy shitpile like that.

+1 to both posts. keep the 7.

Considering the rarity of the FD vs. how common Mk III Supras are, if you ever kick yourself for not trading, you can alwyas find another Supra. However, if you kick yourself for trading, good luck on finding another FD.

WTF? MKIV Supra guys don't even consider the MKIII as real Supras. It's like trading in a 46" LCD tv for a 27 inch CRT. That guy is probably giggling right now because you actually answered him instead of laughing in his face.

WTF? MKIV Supra guys don't even consider the MKIII as real Supras.

MKIV Supra guys are also fucking retards who will pay upwards of 30K for one of the most overrated cars ever.

Monetarily its not a good deal.

Performance wise, its comparing apples to oranges.

The Supra will be more comfortable and more reliable.

well, if my FD was mint, I wouldn't be considering this.

likewise, if the supra didn't have 500hp, I also wouldn't be considering it.


some MKIV guys don't consider these real supras, much like some FD guys don't consider TII's real rx7's... both groups have retards.

I'd think moneywise they're probably worth a similar amount, no? Hell, I could part the supra out for $8k I'm sure. it has a $2k turbo on it alone.


Anyways, I'm leaning towards not doing it, but I'd still like more input :D

500 on a dyno lol.

i'd keep the FD.

for one thing, i personally have no desire to drive a 500hp car.

for another thing, the FD is sexy while the mkiii is... well its a mkiii. not to bag on anyone who likes them, but i'm just not into the look.

One of the selling points for the MKIII that everyone thinks they're shit cars, but they can kick some serious ass for not much money.

Well, what's the intent of the car? Is this a DD? Is it autocrossed, dragraced, drifted, streetraced, ... ?

A Supra is a lot like a Mustang, not a lot of performance out of the box, but gobs of potential, and most of it on the cheap. If you're more into straight-line driving, or any type of driving where sandbagging is helpful, I'd say the Supra is probably better. If you want a handling car, I'd stick with your FD.

In the end, only you know what you want.

On the flipside, what is it that you want to hear? There's been a lot of reasons to stick with your FD, but you seem unsatisfied with them. Do you want us to convince you to go with the Supra?

The Supra is going to have more power potential, it's easier to find parts for, the parts are cheaper, it's overall more reliable, it has a back seat (so it's more practical), the insurance is probably cheaper, and the motor is going to be better for day to day traffic style driving (low end torque and all).

I don't want convincing either way, I was just looking for opinions. Thanks for all the input guys.

The car is going to be my daily driver, either the FD or the supra.

I think the FD makes a pretty good DD, I'm not sure that a 500hp car will be a better one. my FD is pretty good on gas.

All the supras are ugly in my book, the mkiv's less so, and mkiii's are certainly not the worst. I like how this car looks, it's probably the best looking mk3 I've seen.

I'm worried that I'll end up neglecting the supra, since I have a pretty damn fast FC allready (which sucks to DD, it's too loud and way too bad on gas in town, though it's decent on the highway). I'm thinking more and more about just, well, not doing it. I think I'll keep my FD, it's got enough power for a daily driver, I'll just get off my lazy ass and paint it. :P

I'm also concerned that I'd hate the supra once I drove it... I like torquey DD's and I'm more of a twisties person than a drag person (despite having an 11 second fc lol), and the supras are very big, and very heavy...

bah, I guess I'm still torn on it.

My plan was to drive there in my FD, test drive the car, then drive my FD home, and make a decision after driving and seeing both. But now the engine is out of the supra, being rebuilt, so that plan's out the window.

Why is it being rebuilt? I thought they were invincible :P

(I have a friend who's been through three engines on his Supra so far)

Because they never retorqued the head.

Factory torque specs on the 7m are about 20 pounds too light.

Yes, yes, we all know this, he knows this. Head gasket isn't what went.

Then he's just the most unlucky person in the world.

Which happens sometimes.

I wouldnt touch it. I have a few friends with 7m cars and they are notorious for breaking down here. The car is also not that attractive appearance wise. Overall i would just save the money and put together a backup motor for your car and drive it. Better in the long run.

Then he's just the most unlucky person in the world.

Which happens sometimes.

Prove to me luck exists ;)

Prove to me God exists, and I'll do the same for luck.

Stalemate.

Someone needs to get in here with a third unprovable so we can have a Mexican standoff.

prove to me YZF has hair

^hahaha

I too say stay with the FD. Come on now. Why are you even questioning this?

^hahaha

I too say stay with the FD. Come on now. Why are you even questioning this?

Becuase with a Supra, you can not drive it for a week, drive the pants off it for another week, let it sit for a few more days, then go drag race, then get pissed off later and street race some punk, and the entire time you can feel safe NOT CHECKING THE OIL. Or the myriad of other things that go wrong with an FD every time you look at sideways. Or don't look it at sideways.

The Supra is going to be a better practical car. Certainly not a better track day car, probably not a better race car, but a better car to live with on a daily basis. And in this case, I'd be willing to bet it's faster in a straight line (though the FD still might have a top speed advantage, I hear crazy stories about those things).

I'm not saying the OG poster needs needs convincing either way, I think he got out of this thread what he needed, but there certainly could be a debate as to which car to own given the opportunity to own one at the disclusion of the other.

well, I really doubt any stock rx7 could out topend a 500hp supra, lol.

I'm going to be keeping my FD, for better or worse. I think, anyways. :P

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I found YZF on his old bike.

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