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^ lol - you're just doing your job.

Yeah, I seen the aerosol spray. Actually have some astounding photographs throughout the course of days.

Psychology Question: why did you put so much effort into the pics, to convey that side of the story without once researching for yourself, or simply observing your environment when it is undeniable that the stakes of the issue are so high?;)

A: because, whether you realise it or not, you've been sociopathically programmed to do so.

You're calling me a sociopath? The one touting jet trails as the government's scheme to "ethnically cleanse" the nation, is calling me the sociopath?

Wow.

Let me guess, you walked up to the clouds and took samples of this mysterious frozen cloud dust (which is just frozen water vapor from jet engines) to tell me it has a racially programed bacteria?

You are a fucking moron.

Ted Nugent and Raptor13x aren't as crazy as you.

^ dig the new handle

Yeah this sounds a tad wacky.

^ dig the new handle

Kevin is always so creative.

Psychology Question: why did you put so much effort into the pics, to convey that side of the story without once researching for yourself, or simply observing your environment when it is undeniable that the stakes of the issue are so high?;)


I have all the pictures in my photobucket account.

Troll Fark and 7club long enough and you can get a lot of good stuff.

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You're calling me a sociopath? The one touting jet trails as the government's scheme to "ethnically cleanse" the nation, is calling me the sociopath?


um, ya basically. Did you even read it? people don't like being awoken to realities that strongly contradict a very fundamental sense of security. Why do you think you're so eager to pounce at anything of the nature (it's your reaction to a percieved threat to your la di daydreaming?) why the fuck do you think those 'conspiracy theory' graphics are so readily available? There is a lot of bullshit out there, without a doubt. The only shit that makes sense, to me, is where some demographic has a SHITLOAD OF MONEY TO MAKE and is doing it. Period. It's the stupid ignorami that will actually just kill themselves. And theyre doing it... fat people, cancer (ignorance to it's cause), trendy pandemics. etc etc. Why dont you write the equation for me, as you understand it. Oh that's right, youve never once thought about anything in this realm, good job. You're an expert.

Aerosols are nothing new. Bromide Salts are nothing new. They serve so many functions. It increases the electrical conductivity of the atmosphere to propegate radio signals, it's water loving and will absorb water vapour, it will also leave this new chemical solution open to be irradiated so as to create a plasma. The ozone layer is dead, theyre simulataneously masking the severity of it. Read a few unsung patents, William Teller etc, check out the new acronized "pandemics" that are reported with lightening speed, check the motehrfucking sky, you idiot. I have seen this shit FIRST HAND and have photographic proof, complete with some commercial jets not emitting sky-hazing aerosols as a control. There is no way any jet would need to fly 7 miles above the earth and leave a "contrail" that remains visible and dissipates into a sickly haze which covers the entire sky with a pearlized haze. There is also no good reason for the geometric patterns which ensure ground coverage. Look, I posted this as a primer to get the word out, obviously at the risk of ridicule. Read the page, draw the conclusions and think like a criminally rich demographic to really 'get it' and marvel at it's nazi precision.

I've heard this before, and unless you have proof, aside from pretty pictures of clouds, let's see it. I'm talking real, undeniable proof.

It's called a conspiracy theory for a reason, it is a theory, not a fact. Just like the JFK assasination, man landing on the moon, and twinkies, this is just the government trying to make us believe something false.

I know my government lies to me, and not always for my own benefit, but this is just internet fodder propagated by men wearing tin foil hats in their fallout shelters eating cold canned corn.

i thought everyone knew it was happening, and i thought the question everyone was trying to answer next is what is it, and from that determine it's intent. get on top of your shit man
when i learned about it, early spring, i was lucky enough (lol) to catch a smogging in progress only 2 days later. captured it on 35mm slr with wide and telephoto. esp over the airport, 30mins away, you can see the bronish-rainbow color of the ethylene dibromide added to commercial jet fuel. ehtylene dibromide, wanna knwo wha it does? it suppresses the immune system. people are getting sick, but whens the last time youve heard someone say "oh gee, u know I think my immune system is suppressed"... thats how ignorant. after reviewing the photos, not only did i catch the stages throughout the day, from crystal blue sky, to sickly haze. you can clearly see how the trails dissipate, because i shot one roll over a day. you can see the excess patterns and 'targeting'. it's all there. Intersting note, actually, some of the trails (yes, with telephoto lens) show a clear point of , uhh, demarcation, but NO VISIBLE JET IN FRONT! The smog plume is crystal clear, but it's only sky in front of it !??!!?

As a Federal Employee, let me assure each and everyone of you that my fellow government workers lack the motivation and cohesiveness to carry out such a plan. In fact if one of our enemies was engaged in such a plan, we'd be delayed in responding, even if we had all the evidence.

i thought everyone knew it was happening, and i thought the question everyone was trying to answer next is what is it, and from that determine it's intent. get on top of your shit man
when i learned about it, early spring, i was lucky enough (lol) to catch a smogging in progress only 2 days later. captured it on 35mm slr with wide and telephoto. esp over the airport, 30mins away, you can see the bronish-rainbow color of the ethylene dibromide added to commercial jet fuel. ehtylene dibromide, wanna knwo wha it does? it suppresses the immune system. people are getting sick, but whens the last time youve heard someone say "oh gee, u know I think my immune system is suppressed"... thats how ignorant. after reviewing the photos, not only did i catch the stages throughout the day, from crystal blue sky, to sickly haze. you can clearly see how the trails dissipate, because i shot one roll over a day. you can see the excess patterns and 'targeting'. it's all there. Intersting note, actually, some of the trails (yes, with telephoto lens) show a clear point of , uhh, demarcation, but NO VISIBLE JET IN FRONT! The smog plume is crystal clear, but it's only sky in front of it !??!!?



So, the commercial airlines are in on this plan? Don't you think if airplane mechanics (regular everyday people) KNEW that they were loading some crap into a plane with for the purpose of being sprayed out, they would have told someone? Wouldn't that information have leaked, just a little bit?

And the one fatal flaw in this whole theory.....the people supposedly doing this also live here. If their goal was to make everyone sick, wouldn't they themselves be sick as well?

I haven't had so much as a common cold in 3 years. I know my immune system is a superstar.

So, the commercial airlines are in on this plan? Don't you think if airplane mechanics (regular everyday people) KNEW that they were loading some crap into a plane with for the purpose of being sprayed out, they would have told someone? Wouldn't that information have leaked, just a little bit?

And the one fatal flaw in this whole theory.....the people supposedly doing this also live here. If their goal was to make everyone sick, wouldn't they themselves be sick as well?

I haven't had so much as a common cold in 3 years. I know my immune system is a superstar.

Exactly. Nobody can keep a secret.

Also, my area gets a lot of fly overs during the day, and I'm healthy as a horse. I am allergic to mold, though, and in the spring there's a lot of spores so I'm a little stuffy, but I take a 10mg loratadine when I wake up and it's all good.

Maybe the people responsible for this have high-grade air purification systems in their homes, cars, and workplaces, so as not to catch the disease, which I will call the T-virus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Virus

Good questions! It appears that it's a slow and chronic process. I would speculate the biological aspect of it, most likely occurs at strategic times. The chemicals, constantly. Much for the purpose of weather modifcation, mostly under the pretense of weather modification actually. Gene splicing markers have been found on the various biological components tested, apparently. The odd viruses could also be trigger viruses. The trigger could be anything, Kool-Aid, McDonalds, something poor people eat for example, even, yes, genetics. The possibilties are endless, these motehrfuckers are smart. When you have trillions at your disposal for eugenics/revenue generating problem,reaction,solution programs, i'm pretty sure you're gonna to protect yourself, own interests etc. When i hear about things like H5N1 (bird flu) etc, being reported wildly, but no one ever sees it, I can't help but think another planted virus, and another failure for them. Anything to cause fear and make people destroy their OWN FOOD SOURCES. (smart, huh?) The idea is so unnatural, that I can't see it 'working out for them' very well though. When i read 'dessicated human red blood cells', I thought where the hell woudl they get all this blood from to use as a medium? Do they have consciousless bodies in labs producing it? Oh wait, no of course not. The Red Cross is down with this entire "special interest group" and their agenda, just like all 'Cure for this and that' charities, World Vision, UNICEF etc etc (thats another story, feel free to investigate)

In terms of commercial jets , it's added to the fuel. No one at the airport would be the wiser to the presence of ethylene dibromide in the fuel. Oil companies would seem like willing candiates, of course, they too hang out at "the grove" lol. (They too are also sinfully rich and can make one of the most prosperous nations go to war, just like that.. influence?)

Exactly. Nobody can keep a secret.

and nobody is, I can see the shit, how is that secret? I'm telling this to you, but it's already protected under it's umbrella of outlandishness, the story is so 'out there' and 'unbelievable' to the standard consumer, that people not only hear about it, but reject it. Is the a point in keeping a secret then? These people have covered their bases, man. Again, theyre not stupid. Theyre genius, like Hitler genius. Some consumers are so fucked up in living some mentally derived illusion, one of false ideals (social pressures to be alike, depend on society, depend on industry, desire to be resistant to ridicule/safety) one where theyre safe and fictional stories are simply 'entertaining' and 'fun'. Theyre just concerned about entertaining us :) <3 <3 lol actually... the antertainment industry has been a high price hooker for a long time. Now, concepts in fiction are designed to fill the subconscious space about any given phenomenon, so as to plant something there first, which is accepted as not true. (Disinformation by means of creating an emulsion of serious truth and complete nonsense) Later on, should the subject learn about something similar that may be real, the reaction is predictable ie movie references, polar adherence to the right (the safest place, really) because the subconscious already has a fixture in place, and it was fiction. This drives the subject into denial. The same concept religious exploits utilize, tell half-truths embedded with deadly falsehoods, so as to control a person's learning later on, and to cause militant resistance upon hearing about something new (don't think freely it's the devil talking if you disbelieve etc) This is real psychology. Generally, the only people that REALLY know about the vulnerabilities of the human mind, and precisely how to exploit it are, the military (and related gov. institutions), hypnotists and marketing depts./advertising contractors. These people have put in the work and resources, starting well before WW2, all in the name of raping us and putting us on our knees. Mahatten project? Philedelphia project? MK ultra? project montauk? Figure it out, it's worth researching. Once you know this stuff, and you know what to look for, then commercial advertizing and seemingly innocent fiction can actually be dissected to examine the techniques employed.

I do this all the time, and it's disgusting and infuriating how these things are so carefully crafted to rape your mind. The subconscious mind is like a baby, it cant discern sarcasm, a joke, fiction. It's a basal learning device. This is why it's so trendy to exploit it via terror, horror, fear tactics, facetious fascinations with death. Wanna know why peopel dont take commercials seriously, theyre like " yeah dude, its stupid i'm not going to buy something because they advertize it to me" well guess what, it's not designed to appeal to your conscious at all, its tailored for the SUBCONSCIOUS. It's about controlling your ideals, because no one can make you do anything WITHOUT YOUR CONCENT. The point is to MAKE you want to do it, make you want to buy it, make you wanna see it, make you wanna hear it, make you wanna be part of it, make you take a certain political position... step back and look, it works. In conclusion, I'm not here to TELL you whats up, i dont even know myself exactly what is happening. All I can do is use my observations and logic, I suggest you do too, just as long as you give yourself the CHANCE to figure it out on your own, is all that matters.

and nobody is, I can see the shit, how is that secret? I'm telling this to you, but it's already protected under it's umbrella of outlandishness, the story is so 'out there' and 'unbelievable' to the standard consumer, that people not only hear about it, but reject it. Is the a point in keeping a secret then? These people have covered their bases, man. Again, theyre not stupid. Theyre genius, like Hitler genius. Some consumers are so fucked up in living some mentally derived illusion, one of false ideals (social pressures to be alike, depend on society, depend on industry, desire to be resistant to ridicule/safety) one where theyre safe and fictional stories are simply 'entertaining' and 'fun'. Theyre just concerned about entertaining us :) <3 <3 lol actually... the antertainment industry has been a high price hooker for a long time. Now, concepts in fiction are designed to fill the subconscious space about any given phenomenon, so as to plant something there first, which is accepted as not true. (Disinformation by means of creating an emulsion of serious truth and complete nonsense) Later on, should the subject learn about something similar that may be real, the reaction is predictable ie movie references, polar adherence to the right (the safest place, really) because the subconscious already has a fixture in place, and it was fiction. This drives the subject into denial. The same concept religious exploits utilize, tell half-truths embedded with deadly falsehoods, so as to control a person's learning later on, and to cause militant resistance upon hearing about something new (don't think freely it's the devil talking if you disbelieve etc) This is real psychology. Generally, the only people that REALLY know about the vulnerabilities of the human mind, and precisely how to exploit it are, the military (and related gov. institutions), hypnotists and marketing depts./advertising contractors. These people have put in the work and resources, starting well before WW2, all in the name of raping us and putting us on our knees. Mahatten project? Philedelphia project? MK ultra? project montauk? Figure it out, it's worth researching. Once you know this stuff, and you know what to look for, then commercial advertizing and seemingly innocent fiction can actually be dissected to examine the techniques employed.

I do this all the time, and it's disgusting and infuriating how these things are so carefully crafted to rape your mind. The subconscious mind is like a baby, it cant discern sarcasm, a joke, fiction. It's a basal learning device. This is why it's so trendy to exploit it via terror, horror, fear tactics, facetious fascinations with death. Wanna know why peopel dont take commercials seriously, theyre like " yeah dude, its stupid i'm not going to buy something because they advertize it to me" well guess what, it's not designed to appeal to your conscious at all, its tailored for the SUBCONSCIOUS. It's about controlling your ideals, because no one can make you do anything WITHOUT YOUR CONCENT. The point is to MAKE you want to do it, make you want to buy it, make you wanna see it, make you wanna hear it, make you wanna be part of it, make you take a certain political position... step back and look, it works. In conclusion, I'm not here to TELL you whats up, i dont even know myself exactly what is happening. All I can do is use my observations and logic, I suggest you do too, just as long as you give yourself the CHANCE to figure it out on your own, is all that matters.

Jet contrails last no longer than cirrus clouds, because that is what they are.

Ok but there is still the part about keeping a secret. Say that Mobil executives decided to add shit in their jet fuel. There is still Steve down in the plant that is adding this shit to it, the same guy that has a wife and 2 kids, rides a Harley on the weekends and makes $50k a year. Don't you think THAT guy would have said something to someone? A wife? A buddy? There is just no way that something like this could stay so covered up while being distributed in such a blatantly obvious matter.

you would be surprised.

I would have to be absolutely shocked, because it's a near impossibility. People talk, no matter what. It's not a matter of seeing trails in the sky, it would be a matter of some average worker knowing that he is putting poison in jet fuel, then airline pilots wondering what those big long trails are behind them and why there were never there before, and airplane mechanics wondering what that weird smell is, and why the fuel looks different, meanwhile the people that are planning this are STILL living here and being exposed to it as well.

And trust me, I have a B.S. in Advertising and PR, and have a secondary focus in Marketing with my MBA. There is no mind control going on. Yes, there have been psychological studies done in the past to see how poeple react to certain stimuli, and attempts have been made in the past to use them. However nobody tries to "control your mind". Marketing is about convincing someone that they want to buy your product, or substitute it for what you are currently using.

And my professor, well he was the VP of marketing for RJ Reynolds during the inception of Joe Camel. He might know a thing or two.