So...the state of WI has recently rejected a statewide smoking ban.

The city council in my city is voting on their own ban tonight, after an at times heated listening session last night that lasted 3 hours.

I am a non-smoker but believe businesses have the right to allow smoking if they please. I am even for a licensing process to allow smoking at establishments, but it looks as though the council will vote to ban smoking which will take effect sometime in July.

Discuss

I agree with you sir. I live in NY where the entire state is now smoke free. I am a smoker and hate having to sometimes go out in the cold at bars just to have a smoke. I liked it better when we had smoking sections and non in establishments. Many of the bars here lost a lot of business due to this legislation and many are still allowing smoking while risking undercovers catching them and fining them. It's a bullshit law and I hate New York State and the NYC Mayor Mike Bloomberg for starting this whole kick.

I agree with you sir. I live in NY where the entire state is now smoke free. I am a smoker and hate having to sometimes go out in the cold at bars just to have a smoke. I liked it better when we had smoking sections and non in establishments. Many of the bars here lost a lot of business due to this legislation and many are still allowing smoking while risking undercovers catching them and fining them. It's a bullshit law and I hate New York State and the NYC Mayor Mike Bloomberg for starting this whole kick.

If all businesses have no smoking, how do they lose business? Smokers go to Canada for wings?

I am torn on this. In bars, I half-expect smoking, but I know I'll have a better time if there isn't smoking.

Besides, you want to be a cop, stop smoking.

If all businesses have no smoking, how do they lose business? Smokers go to Canada for wings?

I am torn on this. In bars, I half-expect smoking, but I know I'll have a better time if there isn't smoking.

Besides, you want to be a cop, stop smoking.

No cops smoke. This is fact.

Did I say businesses lose business? I think I stated that bars here are. Who gives a shit how the Olive Garden is doing because the guidos can't have a cigar?

No cops smoke. This is fact.

Did I say businesses lose business? I think I stated that bars here are. Who gives a shit how the Olive Garden is doing because the guidos can't have a cigar?

If all bars have the smoking ban, they all lose the same money. But if guys want their booze, they get it. You know this.

Besides, you just use the smoking ban as an excuse to not go out. Really, you just have no friends.

Because I don't go out even though I said above I have to go outside in the cold to smoke. Are you a fucking cro-magnon?

Because I don't go out even though I said above I have to go outside in the cold to smoke. Are you a fucking cro-magnon?

I know you're lying. You're a pig.

Aspiring Pig dipshit.

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If you don't want to go to a smoky bar I am sure there are other options. Here there are townships that start where the city ends. With a ban there could be a smoke free bar on one side of the street and a bar that is not on the other. Thus drawing the smoking crowd and business away.

I prefer smokefree, however I have many choices as to where I can go. Here we have approx 43 smoke free bar and resteraunts and apporx 30 places that allow smoking.

Stop calling me names, I am bigger than you.

I will squash you like bug!

Smoking ban FTW!

hey if you don't stay on topic I will report and delete your posts.

If you don't want to go to a smoky bar I am sure there are other options. Here there are townships that start where the city ends. With a ban there could be a smoke free bar on one side of the street and a bar that is not on the other. Thus drawing the smoking crowd and business away.

I prefer smokefree, however I have many choices as to where I can go. Here we have approx 43 smoke free bar and resteraunts and apporx 30 places that allow smoking.

Appleton has a smoking ban, and the restaurants and bars have shown an increase in business year round.

The tavern league doesn't like talking about it, but the bars are making moneys. I'm pretty sure the tobacco lobbyists have the tavern league in their pocket.

Appleton has a smoking ban, and the restaurants and bars have shown an increase in business year round.

The tavern league doesn't like talking about it, but the bars are making moneys.

This came up at the listening session. Very true, but from what I understand it took over a year for this to happen.

Like I said I would support the ban, however where does it end? Do they ban you from drinking alcohol in a bar. Pretty crazy but 50 years ago so was a smoking ban

Stop calling me names, I am bigger than you.

I will squash you like bug!

Smoking ban FTW!

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This came up at the listening session. Very true, but from what I understand it took over a year for this to happen.

Like I said I would support the ban, however where does it end? Do they ban you from drinking alcohol in a bar. Pretty crazy but 50 years ago so was a smoking ban

It did take some time, but now I go to Appleton, which is an hour drive, pretty regularly to eat.

I think this ban is more about the health of those that don't smoke, rather than puritanical values of some crazies in Washington. At least, I hope so.

Fuck a Government smoking ban. Why shouldn't it be up to the business owner in the first place? If the Gov wants to continue their pursuit in pussifying this country, let them make laws to govern things in their own (our own, that is) buildings and stay the hell out of private business when it comes to trivial matters like this.
If a business owner wants to let people smoke and run the risk of losing bucks from non-smoking people, let them. It should be their choice. If you don't want to go into a place that allows smoking, go somewhere else- simple as that.

It should be up to the business owner and how it affects his business, not some chump miles away who most likely could care less one way or the other but makes these stupid laws to get his rep up.

The put the Smoking Ban in France, which really surprised me. The good benefit is that you can easily tell how packed the bars are when you walk down the street if you see a good crowd of people standing outside.

Ireland also has a smoking ban

The ban was passed last night 7-4. The county will now vote next month, more then likely it will pass also...this will help with the bars on the edges of the city limits by leveling the playing field. Goes into effect July 1st.

I agree that you should not be told how to run your business and such. However people need to realize that smoking is not a right, but a privilage just like driving. I heard comments on the TV from people saying they were taking away their rights, some people are ignorant as to what the government can actually do sometimes.

Ireland also has a smoking ban

The ban was passed last night 7-4. The county will now vote next month, more then likely it will pass also...this will help with the bars on the edges of the city limits by leveling the playing field. Goes into effect July 1st.

I agree that you should not be told how to run your business and such. However people need to realize that smoking is not a right, but a privilage just like driving. I heard comments on the TV from people saying they were taking away their rights, some people are ignorant as to what the government can actually do sometimes.

I agree a hundred percent! People say the same thing about driving. It's such a bad argument.

I'm completely in favor of a smoking ban because it puts my health and the health of others at risk, and it's selfish

you can go stand out in the cold if you need a cancer stick

I don't understand what the problem is with having some establishments that cater to non-smokers and some that cater to smokers. There's obviously demand for both, so there's no reason why you can't just stick to the places that you feel more comfortable without affecting everyone else.

I'll even agree with Ark here. Peaceful resolution for everyone.

I have no problem with that, but it should be clearly designated

It usually is. For the most part, it only takes me an average of about 3 seconds to figure out if an establishment allows for smoking or not.

As far as the "right" or "privilege" thing, I don't think it fits into either category. Smoking just......is. If we start calling it a privilege, then it becomes something that can be dangled over our heads and snatched away when someone else decides that we no longer deserve it, or that it can be taken away like the keys to dad's car.
I don't think it's proper to deem it as such.

I also don't think it's a "right", either. I can't find anything about the subject in the Constitution, for one thing. For another, I think it just takes the matter to an extreme that is not necessary.

The act of smoking shouldn't be considered anything, really, and it certainly shouldn't be an issue left to any form of local, state, or Federal court system. It should be a free market issue. If we continue to take every trivial matter like smoking before the courts, then we surrender our ability to establish and sustain a free market system and trust in elected idiots with little or no stake in such matters (in many cases) to make our decisions for us. It's happening with many other issues, as well.

The matter is simple: If you don't want to eat with a cloud of smoke around you, then don't patronize the establishment. On the flip side, if you don't want to head outside every 30 mins and consider it an inconvenience, then head on over to a place that will allow you to smoke. Why that becomes something that would end up in a court is beyond my current comprehension of the situation.

The issue of smoking in public buildings (in other words, buildings owned by some form of government) is something different altogether. They have to make a decision based on the general health of the public. It's been determined that second hand smoke may be dangerous to others so they made laws to establish a smoke free environment in government buildings. I'm fine with that.
But, when they enforce that rule, they need to enforce the law in it's entirety. The same law that restricts smoking in government buildings also says that there has to be an established smoking area that protects smokers from inclement weather. This area is to be at least 50ft from entrances, as well. I work in a Federal building and they see no need to enforce that part of the law, oddly enough. They can pay for all kinds of signs telling people not to smoke inside, but somehow cannot find the funds to put up a cheap covered area to keep people out of the rain or snow.

In a technical sense, they are in violation of the same law which one would be in violation of if they lit up inside.

But, I'm straying from the topic a bit. The issue is not one that should be left up to the courts, but rather one that should be determined by the free market, as it pertains to smoking bans in privately owned businesses.

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Son of a belch can e-essay with the best of 'em

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Fuck smoking bans, you non-essay reading, short post requesting bitch.

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