And I ran across this: http://www.chuckhawks.com/smith-wesson_dark.htm

I am not knowledgeable about guns, but I know some people here are. Please, discuss.


Also, Centertext.

Colts and S&W .38 revolvers used to be the staple for LEO's we have a couple but I have never shot them. Any real reason why you want one?

I like the feel of the trigger, the shape/weight of the gun, the simplicity of a revolver and this one is a decent price with all the fixins.

EDIT: I've never shot one either, but then again, I haven't shot much :P

Just wondering if I should bother :P

I have a Charter Arms Detective 5 round snubnose that I love. A .38 Special with +P rounds is a nice back up piece.

I know the 2 we have were used by my great uncle and were range fired on a weekly basis. Considering their age they have held up for 40+ years. I personally have not heard anything bad about older S&Ws it is the newer generations that have had issues from what I understand. But I am not that knowledgeable on handguns

Not my gun but the same one

http://www.armsbid.com/8webpix/1028.jpg

Why do you need penetration power in home defense? I have a CZ 52 that shoots Bulgarian ball ammo thru two 4x4s at point blank range. But why kill the neighbors? A .38 Special has TONS of good rounds that are extremely deadly and the nice thing about them is that they dont over penetrate and its something the wife/gf can pick up and shoot and not feel scared to use. .357 is a arm cannon to a woman. My wife wont shoot mine but she holds 2 inch groups at 25 feet with my .38.

http://www.barnesbullets.com/products/pistol/ Very deadly rounds for the .38

Here is what the round does upon entry http://www.rifleshootermag.com/ammunition/RStriple_0723C.jpg

And yah I know that isnt a .38 round.

its something the wife/gf can pick up and shoot and not feel scared to use.

Ding ding ding!

so you can shoot through walls

a .357 Sig does not kick bad at all compared to a .357 mag


I dont know what type of walls you are shooting through but my .38 doesnt have a problem with ripping through metal much less sheetrock.

a .357 Sig does not kick bad at all compared to a .357 mag

.357 Sig still has a kick comparable to a .40 S&W or a downloaded 10mm Auto. I guess it all comes down to personal preference.

I've seen petite women shoot .50 caliber handguns with no problem, tell your wife to stop being a geek and kick some ass

As have I but accurately? Also this is not my wife, just some skank that gets owned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFJjaj7pXsA&feature=related

Here's my pre produdction smith model 36 from the early 50's.
Note the flat latch, and square grip butt.

I love 38 snubbies.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/Alex-7/fghgfd.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/Alex-7/dfghgf.jpg

Funny thing, one of my dads friends in silver spring (Olny) has two brand new in box older ones (70's ish) for sale.

Think he wanted $250 each for them.

Dude, Olney is 10 minutes from me. :D

Don't be a pussy, Jason, make a gun.

I would if I had experience with guns. I'm afraid my lack of knowledge will cause me to create one that blows up in my hand.

I would if I had experience with guns. I'm afraid my lack of knowledge will cause me to create one that blows up in my hand.

Betcha it'll scare the baddies, though.

Betcha it'll scare the baddies, though.

To be sprayed with blood from my exploded hand? Maybe :P

Maybe they're squeamish?

Funny thing, one of my dads friends in silver spring (Olny) has two brand new in box older ones (70's ish) for sale.

Think he wanted $250 each for them.

Hook me up, yo.

I don't have to FFL since it's not being mailed, right?

I will.

My dads been hounding me so I'll be in silver spring pretty soon I'm sure.

Cash and carry is fine by meh, I know you're not a psycho and I'm sure youve got better things to do with the $30 an ffl would charge.

$65 around here.

If you're gonna be in the area, come by for lunch :)

Nice, Jason. :D

I'd like to find a nice 9mm myself, though. Revolvers are nice, but kinda dated.

I know you don't need something with a large payload considering where you live and all, but where I'm at it never hurts to have a few extra brass tips to trade. Usually threats come with more then one aggressor.

Edit: I hate MD and it's gun laws. Hate them so much.

I know you don't need something with a large payload considering where you live and all

Explain!

I live right next to the metro station :P

Edit: I hate MD and it's gun laws. Hate them so much.

Anyone with half a thought does.

Explain!

I live right next to the metro station :P

lol, you're back in the cut though. Your area seemed safe enough to me.

lol, you're back in the cut though. Your area seemed safe enough to me.

Thats only because the axe murderers keep the serial rapists in check. It's a delicate balance.

Also, all the crack addicts around here can afford it without really batting an eye. X_X

the glenmont station, tofu?

If so I could probably walk to your house from my dads..

Yep, I'm walkin distance from there. Lemme know when you want to come by.

sweet. He's at about Randolph and kempmill.

I'll shoot ya a pm when I know.

I drive past there every day :P

Air dried clothes feel like shit imop.

Yeah, while you're over here, squeeze a towel.

yeah I will, I'll even bring one from home for you to try out.

We should get DAK around too, make it a mini Tfl meet.

Then he and I can go out and do magic tricks for girls when it comes time for you to tend to the family.

Ooo, good. That would be fun. Good luck getting him out of his turf tho, I've only managed it once :P

I owe him a hangout, so it's definitely possible. Been meaning to come see you again since you had your little one too, Tofu.

Yatta!

Oh, btw, don't listen to marky (durrrrr). A .38, especially loaded with good +p rounds will be quite adequate in downing a bad guy as the case may be. Unless he's wearing kevlar, but then you might as well use a rifle. Or shotgun. With flechettes.

I don't know why people think that somehow these old rounds have gotten weaker or something over time. Yeah, maybe the old LRN rounds might not be up to par, but the modern hollowpoints are effective, and .38 is cheap to shoot.

It doesn't matter if you use a .22 or a fucking .454, it's not going to matter if you miss. So practice, and i guarantee you that if you get 2-3 .38 slugs in COM on a badguy, he's going down. If i'm wrong, i'll pay you $100.

I prefer firing .38's out of my .357 3" SP101. They're cheaper, and i can shoot more without tiring out my hand. Even with the gun itslef weighing 27 oz., hot .357 rounds still hurt and give me a flinch.

:werd: Steel.

I like .38+P in a small hammerless pocket revolver.
.357+P in a medium frame revolver.
.44Mag in a large frame revolver.

THen you can start talking about the 454, 500, etc. But those really aren't "defense" calibers.

I looked at a S&W 500 today, only 5 lbs. $999, not a bad price, and it will kill.... anything.

Well, I'm taking a pistol training class with my brother next week. After that I'll look at a purchase.

I wouldnt shoot +P through a J frame smith on a regular basis.

Well, I took the NRA class, and I have to say, I really like the 38s we were shooting in the class. I really don't like semi-autos.

So, my choices are boiled down to what I can find for a good price used.

Basically between the S&W 686 and the Ruger GP100

4 inch barrel, unless I can find the S&W with the 5 inch barrel. It would be nice to get the 686 with the 7 chambers :)

I'll be in silver spring pretty soon I'm sure.

What is your definition of "soon?"

It's been months! :P