If any of u think that this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/IndianSwastica.jpg

has the same meaning as this:

http://www.markdery.com/archives/images/SWASTIKA.gif

Then u need to get ur facts straight.

Here is a Buddhist swastika that pre-dates the Nazi by eons:

http://www.bamboo-delight.com/images/Buddist_Swaz.jpg

Here is an example of the Greek Cross that pre-dates the Nazis:

http://www.sarah4historyonline.com/images/2005-Crete/0123-The%20Greek%20Cross--origins%20of%20the%20swastika,%20and%20Hitler's%20 attempt%20to%20link%20Germany%20with%20the%20Golde n%20Age%20of%20Civiliza.jpeg

Here are examples of the Indian's version that pre-dates the Nazis:

http://www.illstreet.com/forums/attach-989

http://www.kamat.org/pfolio/19250.jpg

The name Swastika brings to mind very bitter memories of World War II. It was symbol of Hitler's Nazi Germany. At the time it represented Aryan superiority over all other races in the world according to the Nazis.

But in the Indian context, the swastika stands for universal welfare. "Swasti" means well-being of one and all, "ka" means symbol. Vedic literature is full of such prayers.

The origin of swastika symbol is rooted in hoary past. It appeared as a holy symbol in Mesopotamia, Babylonia, and ancient Greece in similar designs. Variations are also noticed in South and Central American (native American) relics. All these point out to some ancient, common religious rite used by ancient man for invoking a powerful deity, mostly connected with prosperity.

The Swastika is the most auspicious symbol in Buddhist, Jaina, and Hindu traditions. For every holy occasion, swastika symbol is drawn or painted, carved, or sculpted at the place of worship. To signify birth, marriage, or any joyous occasion, Rangoli of swastika forms constitute essential decoration. Swastika indicates happiness, safety, fertility, and prosperity. In the Indian ethos, all these are considered as blessings of Sun god, and we can say that swastika symbol is representation of Sun.

With that being said, what is the ruckus?

I get the impression it's from ignorance, not facts and proper education that the few are crying about.

It's ignorance and a lack of education that is the prelude to hatred, etc....

DISCUSS!

And later it was used as the symbol of an internet car forum...



JUST KIDDING GUYS!

So , you must be getting PMs about it???

Post them

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.witewillo.homestead.com/files/confederate_flag.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.witewillo.homestead.com/links.html&h=330&w=500&sz=198&tbnid=24bszE8CMd0J:&tbnh=83&tbnw=127&hl=en&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dconfederate%2Bflag%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D&oi=imagesr&start=2

If any of u think that this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/IndianSwastica.jpg

has the same meaning as this:

http://www.markdery.com/archives/images/SWASTIKA.gif

Then u need to get ur facts straight.

Here is a Buddhist swastika that pre-dates the Nazi by eons:

http://www.bamboo-delight.com/images/Buddist_Swaz.jpg

Here is an example of the Greek Cross that pre-dates the Nazis:

http://www.sarah4historyonline.com/images/2005-Crete/0123-The%20Greek%20Cross--origins%20of%20the%20swastika,%20and%20Hitler's%20 attempt%20to%20link%20Germany%20with%20the%20Golde n%20Age%20of%20Civiliza.jpeg

Here are examples of the Indian's version that pre-dates the Nazis:

http://www.illstreet.com/forums/attach-989

http://www.kamat.org/pfolio/19250.jpg

The name Swastika brings to mind very bitter memories of World War II. It was symbol of Hitler's Nazi Germany. At the time it represented Aryan superiority over all other races in the world according to the Nazis.

But in the Indian context, the swastika stands for universal welfare. "Swasti" means well-being of one and all, "ka" means symbol. Vedic literature is full of such prayers.

The origin of swastika symbol is rooted in hoary past. It appeared as a holy symbol in Mesopotamia, Babylonia, and ancient Greece in similar designs. Variations are also noticed in South and Central American (native American) relics. All these point out to some ancient, common religious rite used by ancient man for invoking a powerful deity, mostly connected with prosperity.

The Swastika is the most auspicious symbol in Buddhist, Jaina, and Hindu traditions. For every holy occasion, swastika symbol is drawn or painted, carved, or sculpted at the place of worship. To signify birth, marriage, or any joyous occasion, Rangoli of swastika forms constitute essential decoration. Swastika indicates happiness, safety, fertility, and prosperity. In the Indian ethos, all these are considered as blessings of Sun god, and we can say that swastika symbol is representation of Sun.

With that being said, what is the ruckus?

I get the impression it's from ignorance, not facts and proper education that the few are crying about.

It's ignorance and a lack of education that is the prelude to hatred, etc....

DISCUSS!

Thanks for officially posting that.... I get tired of the misconception as well....


For once i'll say "way to clear up the facts, BATMAN"... :D

I deleted the PMs and I don't want to reveal who sent them for their privacy.

I like to think that this forum has attracted and retained the smarter bunch that like to have fun at the same time.

okokok What, you want me to act 41??

i didn't say that.

i have nothing against it. i dont think you can say shit to offend me. anybody who is offended, get out haha.

This all depends on the context of the sender to the audience.

If you spray paint a swastika on a Jewish guys house or a brothers car, chances are you are not conveying the Buddhist message of togetherness.

As a matter of fact- you might be a dick-head.

As a general rule of thumb, images that you know may serve to offend a portion of the audience you are engaged with- it is always better to err on the side of caution and refrain from its' use.

That's just my take on it (and not that I really give a rat's ass)

the nazi swastika is actually the ancient one reversed

the ancient one means 'universal harmony' and ish

the nazi's reversed the insignia, signifying the oppositte.

or at least that's what i heard from old chinese people

i thought the nazi one was the crooked cross?

gotta admit, it's a pretty cool looking insignia

good to know

tanks

i thought the nazi one was the crooked cross?

I'm betting you mean the Blood Drop Cross patches found on Klansmen robes....

That's the only thing I could think of that comes close to your description...

I think a certain someone just owned them self and got their pantys in a twist about it.

Sence it caused such a fuss I took it off, but it really is pathetic how easy some people are offended.



Bitching + total ignorance about what is is you are bitching about = faggot.

its swastika btw :)

its swastika btw :)



Not if I want to keep the peace it isn't. I spell fu-ne-tic-lee

Why the fuck is the always blue and underlined?


the the the The THE The the

It's only for you. It's spy ware. Go download and run ewido.

I'm betting you mean the Blood Drop Cross patches found on Klansmen robes....

That's the only thing I could think of that comes close to your description...
I do believe he was talking about the Prophecy from Nostradomous (sp?) about the man who would conquor the world under the crooked cross :dunno:

or at least sow chaos under the crooked cross... IIRC there is like 15 different translations and interpretations of that prophecy. Some say it was hitler, others say it is yet to come. Who really knows for sure.

So if its such a great symbol and used far and wide how come you dont have a picture of anything recent except the latest white supremecy site? I emailed it to a Rabbi I know and he thought it was stupid for someone to even use it, then defend it, when it brings up bad memories with someones wife.

As a matter of fact- you might be a dick-head.


:roll: Damn that's funny. :D

Here's my take:

A swastika is like a middle finger.

Sure in a different time and place, it may have had a different meaning, but the meaning in present day society is pretty darn clear.

Trying to argue otherwise is pretty silly, especially when people who fought in that war are still around. (Maybe it will work 100 years from now.)

Face it, you KNOW what it means to everyone else. You know the message it sends. It had a different meaning once upon a time, but you haven't been in a coma for the last 100 years. It's obvious that the meaning has been forever changed by historical events than will not be soon forgotten.

It's all about perspective. Before 9/11, you could have walked around Manhattan with this shirt and not pissed anyone off.
http://www.tshirthell.com/images/contestpics/a102_021.jpg
If you did that today, you're asking for trouble and you know it.

I'm not saying it's a huge deal to me personally, but it's silly to be suprised at how people are taking it.

I do believe that shirt came out after 9/11 occured...

I can see how some people would get mad over a swastika (even though they shouldnt) but his was backwards from the nazi third reich sign so i dont see why people would get in a pissy fit over that..

I can see how some people would get mad over a swastika (even though they shouldnt) but his was backwards from the nazi third reich sign so i dont see why people would get in a pissy fit over that..

And this siloutte probably isn't an exact match for the actual planes that hit the towers. Somehow, I don't think that's gonna matter to most people...

I do believe that shirt came out after 9/11 occured...

Correct, you win a cookie :)
http://www.doheth.co.uk/funny/misc/Fortune_Cookie.jpg

Depicting planes hitting NY is alittle different that calling a religous sign offensive and linking it to the nazi party.

So if its such a great symbol and used far and wide how come you dont have a picture of anything recent except the latest white supremecy site? I emailed it to a Rabbi I know and he thought it was stupid for someone to even use it, then defend it, when it brings up bad memories with someones wife.

regional differences, the symbol is still quite common in a postive sense in asia and india where it originated.

regional differences, the symbol is still quite common in a postive sense in asia and india where it originated.


Why are you defending this? I have said it a 100 times before and he has never denied it. The whole point of using it was to cause trouble with people. He has not stated it being HIS religous symbol. No his only defense is, "its backwards". And if he didn't think it was wrong he wouldn't have changed it.

No, the whole point of using it was to weed out the most neurotic and over sensitive sissy on the internet............and looky looky it worked.


I used to think you were a good guy dude, but your just another fucking e crybaby starved for something to be offended by.

I didn't change it because I thought it was wrong (it's not wrong) and I'll put it back up in a fucking heart beat if you try and use that to defend your whining. As a matter of fact fuck it, it's going back up and I hope it offends the shit out of you and your ignorant rabbi.

The end.

^ yay!

Just as I was saying, he knows full well what it means in our society and that it's going to piss people off. It appears that he WANTS to piss people off.

Gotta love the circular logic here:
I can piss you off, therefore you deserve to be pissed off, therefore I'm going to piss you off.

yo , you a bitch i bet you wouldnt swastika in my face would you id stomp you and throw a rock on your head

^just shut the fuck up dickbag....

I used to have shirts in my store that had the word NOSTALGIA on them - only the S was a swastika (nazi style) and the G was a hammer & sickle, soviet style. It was based on the work of a Polish friend of mine who had survived the death camps and was pissed off about the high number of Eastern Europeans longing for the 'good old days'. The NOSTALGIA message was meant to point out that the good old days were far from good.

However, people would see the shirt, their eyes would stop at the swastika, and they would assume the shirt was meant to promote fascism. People wearing the shirt would point out the hammer & sickle and remind the objectors that Nazis and Soviets were mortal enemies, but the point was lost.

Thats because people are stupid and dont want to look for the deeper meaning.

Thats because people are stupid and dont want to look for the deeper meaning.

yup. Friggin' goldfish have more attention span than some...

yup. Friggin' goldfish have more attention span than some...
you know you are....
































what were we talking about again?


porn?

I used to have shirts in my store that had the word NOSTALGIA on them - only the S was a swastika (nazi style) and the G was a hammer & sickle, soviet style. It was based on the work of a Polish friend of mine who had survived the death camps and was pissed off about the high number of Eastern Europeans longing for the 'good old days'. The NOSTALGIA message was meant to point out that the good old days were far from good.

However, people would see the shirt, their eyes would stop at the swastika, and they would assume the shirt was meant to promote fascism. People wearing the shirt would point out the hammer & sickle and remind the objectors that Nazis and Soviets were mortal enemies, but the point was lost.

That, or one could take the shirt to mean that the person wearing it was nostalgic for the days when fascists were in charge. That's probably how I'd read it unless the guy was wearing a yamaka.

That, or one could take the shirt to mean that the person wearing it was nostalgic for the days when fascists were in charge. That's probably how I'd read it unless the guy was wearing a yamaka.
and for that I would treat you like a fucking tard.

How could you take a shirt bearing the insignia of two mortal enemies as wishing them to be in power again?

No, the whole point of using it was to weed out the most neurotic and over sensitive sissy on the internet............and looky looky it worked.


I used to think you were a good guy dude, but your just another fucking e crybaby starved for something to be offended by.

I didn't change it because I thought it was wrong (it's not wrong) and I'll put it back up in a fucking heart beat if you try and use that to defend your whining. As a matter of fact fuck it, it's going back up and I hope it offends the shit out of you and your ignorant rabbi.

The end.

Oh god I will be up all night because you dont like me. I cant even masturbate it bugs me so much. I dont give a fuck what you think of me, you could fall down and worship me and I would still be an asshole.

And hes not my rabbi, hes my wifes rabbi. So get your facts straight sparky.

So when you going to link us to your white supremecy sites? Got any tats like in American History X?

I remember seeing the "peace" symbol at a Buddhist temple. It was on a number of the Buddhas...as well as a bell that was available for sale in the gift shop.

you could fall down and worship me and I would still be an asshole.


You're not being an asshole, You're being a pussy who cant admit he's wrong.

I don't give a shit what my avatar reminds you of. The fact is, that's not what it means. And you continue to ignore that fact.

If you had asked me to change it insted of crying to the mods and being rude, I would have.


I WILL have the last word here "sparky" so if you're done bitching, stop posting.

Damn I wish you guys would stop fucking arguing over this shit, he said she said they said WHO GIVES A FUCK. If you dont like it put him on ignore but for Gods sake quit bitchin about it, its a PUBLIC forum.

^ you could also choose not to click on this thread ;)

im lovin this lol

Well, personally it doesnt bother me.

-Chad

not a public forum, someone has to own it...

When did everyone get giant sticks up their asses on here? :scratch:

I'm the one on steroids... I'm supposed to be the angry one!

Symbols only contain the power you invest in them.

For some the bald eagle is a symbol of power and integrity, to me it is a carrion fowel that makes big nests.

^ you could also choose not to click on this thread ;)


That would be nice, seeing as Im an admin on this site I get emails everytime someone bitches about something. :banghead:

not a public forum, someone has to own it...


As in a forum open to the public.

Symbols only contain the power you invest in them.

For some the bald eagle is a symbol of power and integrity, to me it is a carrion fowel that makes big nests.

fowel?

Is that a superabsorbent bird?

I'd like to buy a fowel, Pat.