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BATMAN
09-09-2008, 03:43 PM
Taking aim at a longstanding rite of passage for 16-year-olds, an influential auto safety group is calling on states to raise the age for getting a driver's license to 17 or even 18.

Adrian Lund, president of the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, a research group funded by the auto insurance industry, acknowledged the idea is "a tough sell," but noted that car crashes are the leading cause of death among teenagers.

"The bottom line is that when we look at the research, raising the driving age saves lives," Lund said. He plans to present the proposal Tuesday at the annual conference of the Governors Highway Safety Association in Scottsdale, Ariz.

Not surprisingly, a lot of teens hate the idea.

"I would really be upset because I've waited so long to drive," said Diamante White, a 16-year-old in Reading, Pa., who got her permit in July. She said learning to drive is a "growing-up experience."

Many parents agree. They also like not having to chauffeur their teens to school, sporting events and any number of other places.

"Do we really want our kids dependent upon parents for virtually everything until they go to college, can vote and serve their country?" asked Margaret Menotti, a mother in Uxbridge, Mass.

She argued that keeping teens from driving would only make them less responsible. Some parents also find it ironic that this conversation is happening just as a group of college presidents have proposed lowering the drinking age to 18.

Decades of data
Among other things, institute researchers have compiled decades worth of data from New Jersey, the only state that issues licenses at 17. Various studies have shown that the overall rate of teens killed in crashes in New Jersey has been consistently lower than in some nearby states.

One study from the 1990s found that the rate of crash-related deaths among 16- and 17-year olds were 18 per 100,000 in New Jersey, compared with 26 per 100,000 in Connecticut. Those rates, researchers said, have dropped even further since both states instituted graduated driver's license programs.

Graduated licensing, which has become the standard across the country in the past 15 years, requires teens to spend more time driving with a parent or other responsible adult before they go solo. Though these rules are sometimes difficult to enforce, many states tie these more stringent standards to declining teen crash rates.

More than 5,000 U.S. teens die each year in car crashes. The rate of crashes, fatal and nonfatal, per mile driven for 16-year-old drivers is almost 10 times the rate for drivers ages 30 to 59, according to the National Highway Safety Administration. Many industrialized countries in Europe and elsewhere have a driving age of 17 or 18.

Debates to rage on
Barbara Harsha, executive director of the Governors Highway Safety Association, said she welcomes a debate on raising the driving age — as do many who deal with public health.

"Getting the highest of the high-risk drivers away from the wheel probably isn't a bad idea," said Dr. Barbara Gaines, trauma director at Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh of UPMC.

But she and others — even the Insurance Institute officials who propose raising the driving age — agreed it is not the only option.

Gaines noted that teen drivers in the Pittsburgh area who have committed moving violations must attend a "reality education" program at her hospital. They tour the intensive care unit and talk with young drivers who have been in serious crashes.

Andrea Summers, coordinator of the teen driving program for the Delaware Office of Highway Safety, said her state and others have chosen to toughen laws without raising the driving age — by banning teens from using cell phones while driving, imposing stricter driving curfews and expanding supervised driving time. Even New Jersey is considering lengthening the time a young driver has a permit, from six months to 12.

Real threats
Still others say we are worrying too much about teen drivers, and not enough about others who cause serious problems on the road.

Karen Sternheimer, a University of Southern California sociologist who studies accident statistics, cited federal data from 2007 showing that drivers ages 25 to 34, as well as those ages 45 to 64, were nearly twice as likely to be involved in alcohol-related fatalities as 16- to 20-year-old drivers.

"The intense focus on teens diverts our attention from the real threats to public safety: speeding and driving while intoxicated," she said.

wotnartd
09-09-2008, 04:35 PM
We need to put an age cap on drivers.

dg123
09-09-2008, 04:47 PM
We need to put an age cap on drivers.

No, we need to make getting a license harder. Don't know about other states, but its rediculously easy in Washington to get a license at 16, even with the 6-month restrictions. I am willing to bet that the vast majority of all teenage traffic accidents are not caused because of age, but because of the lack of experience in understanding what a car will do in certain circumstances. Even adults are not immune to this as I have seen where experienced "drivers" overcorrect a skid, over react, and cause an accident.

People need to be taught the fundementals of accident recovery, accident avoidence, skid control, and threshold braking and maneuvering. This way, they can learn to see a problem coming up before they actually reach it, and in the event they are in the middle of the problem, they will know what to do.

vrooom305
09-09-2008, 05:25 PM
No, we need to make getting a license harder. Don't know about other states, but its rediculously easy in Washington to get a license at 16, even with the 6-month restrictions. I am willing to bet that the vast majority of all teenage traffic accidents are not caused because of age, but because of the lack of experience in understanding what a car will do in certain circumstances. Even adults are not immune to this as I have seen where experienced "drivers" overcorrect a skid, over react, and cause an accident.

People need to be taught the fundementals of accident recovery, accident avoidence, skid control, and threshold braking and maneuvering. This way, they can learn to see a problem coming up before they actually reach it, and in the event they are in the middle of the problem, they will know what to do.


quoted for truth....

seeing how it rains in WA for like six months straight, I don't know how the fuck people forget to drive in the rain. It's sunny one day then rains on the next. Then there's like one accident in each major highway :screwyou:

dg123
09-09-2008, 05:44 PM
seeing how it rains in WA for like six months straight, I don't know how the fuck people forget to drive in the rain. It's sunny one day then rains on the next. Then there's like one accident in each major highway :screwyou:

You know what the best part about living in this state is? People get so used to one weather pattern that the instant it changes, there's an accident. If it suddenly rains, people are skidding to a stop and you see loads of rear end collisions. If it all of a sudden turns sunny after a dreary cloudy day, the freeway is backed up because some ass-hole thought he could squeeze past someone and wound up clipping their front end with his ass. :soapbox:

RyanFlemington
09-10-2008, 12:27 AM
north american needs to do what germany does. Drinking age really young(i think it's 16 there), and then have the driving age at 19, so people have 3 years to get the drunken idiot out

Vert8813B
09-10-2008, 06:01 AM
fuck driving. do cocaine instead.

oakback
09-10-2008, 07:16 AM
My driving test consisted of, in a parking lot: stopping on a hill (in an automatic), parking without hitting the cones on either side (not parallel parking, just regular head-in), backing up in a straight line, and doing a 3-point turn.

I have a friend who couldn't ever back up in a straight line. She went to the next county over, where they're apparently more lenient, and got her license there.

It's pathetic! A 10 year old could pass that test!

I don't see what they're bitching about, there are plenty of folks who ride bicycles to work and school. If everyone had to ride a bike for a couple years, they'd probably be safer drivers.

BATMAN
09-10-2008, 10:41 AM
License should be a license to:

drive
drink
fuck

I want a world where if i see a gal that i wanna bang, all she has to do is to provide 2 forms of Governement ID.

Vert8813B
09-10-2008, 07:36 PM
License should be a license to:

drive
drink
fuck

I want a world where if i see a gal that i wanna bang, all she has to do is to provide 2 forms of Governement ID.

BATMAN 4 PREZ!

vrooom305
09-10-2008, 07:43 PM
to prove that she's at least over 18 or 21?

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