A comprehensive scan of the human genome finds that hundreds of our genes have undergone positive natural selection during the past 10,000 years of human evolution.

Genes are the instructions organisms use to make proteins. They are encoded in genetic material, usually DNA, and some come in different versions, called "alleles." Positive natural selection occurs when one allele is favored over another due to changes in the environment.

Researchers from the University of Chicago analyzed the genomes of 209 unrelated individuals from three distinct human populations: East Asians from Beijing and Tokyo, Utah residents of European descent and Yorubans from Nigeria.

Each population contained roughly 250 positively selected genes; however, most of the affected genes differed depending on the group.

"This study addresses the question 'Are humans still evolving?', and the answer is 'Absolutely,'" study team member Benjamin Voight told LiveScience.

Other studies have also reached the same conclusion.

"There have been a lot of recent changes — the advent of agriculture, shifts in diet, new habitats, climatic changes — over the past 10,000 years," said Jonathan Pritchard, a human geneticist at the University of Chicago who led the study.

Many genes were found to be evolving in all three of the human populations studied. The specific functions of many of the genes are not known, but the researchers were able to separate them into broad categories. These categories include:

— Olfaction: the researchers found many genes important for taste and smell

— Reproduction: involved in things like sperm mobility and egg fertilization

— Increasing brain size

— Bone development and skeletal changes

— Carbohydrate metabolism: positive selection was observed for genes involved in breaking down mannose in Yorubans, sucrose in East Asians and lactose for Europeans. Mannose is a sweet secretion found in some trees and shrubs, sucrose is common table sugar, and lactose is a sugar found in milk, which most Africans and East Asians cannot digest as adults.

— Disease resistance and pathogen protection

— Metabolism of foreign compounds, such as exotic plant proteins or animal toxins

A tradeoff

The researchers also found positive selection in four pigment genes important for lighter skin in Europeans that were not known before. Scientists think humans evolved lighter skin in Europe as an adaptation to less sunlight.

In East Asians, they found strong evidence of positive selection in genes involved in the production of alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH), a protein necessary for breaking down alcohol.

Many East Asians can't metabolize alcohol because they carry a mutation that prevents them from making ADH. The new finding suggests that the mutation may confer some currently unknown additional benefit.

The study, which used data collected by the International HapMap Project, is detailed in the March 7 issue of the journal Public Library of Science-Biology.

*waits for YZF to come in*

nothing ever stops evolving......

meanwhile, mutational defects are continually on the rise: genetic disorders such as cancer and MS are ever increasing, life spans, in lieu of modern medicine, are not increasing over the last several thousand years, if anything, they are declining, slowly and asymptotically


"There has been a substantial increase in the length of human life." - http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/future/longevity.html

"Americans are living longer than ever before - for an average of 77.6 years - and the life expectancy of men is drawing closer to that of women, according to government statistics released Monday." - http://www.aegis.com/news/lt/2005/LT050302.html

"According to reports from the 2000 Census, people are living longer." - http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1249/is_4_74/ai_77418482

"MANCHESTER, England - More people are living to a healthier old age with fewer disabilities and the trend is likely to continue, an expert in geriatric medicine said on Friday." - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3077038/

and it's "heresy", you idiot, not "hearsay"

my gosh some people really were born to follow the herd and be damned


http://www.answers.com/hearsay&r=67

golly gee, i meant to say hearsay. everything in the bible=Unverified information heard or received from another


what's with the name calling?

yes.

call it what you will, only a complete fool would refer to the Bible as "hearsay"


well, only the so-called sayings from god, jesus or whatever are hearsay.

yzf=nincompoop

so that scroll of Isaiah, for example, circa 200 B.C. (part of the dead sea scrolls discovery) which reads essentially word-for-word with modern translations, is "unverified information"?




how do you know they were made in that time era?

hopefully they didn't use science to find out how old they are. considering that scientists are wrong with how the world and life began, how are we to know that they are right about the age of those?

only a complete fool would refer to the Bible as "hearsay"What do you call someone who refers to Genesis as being 100% historically accurate?

He's baaaaaaaaack.......

What do you call someone who refers to Genesis as being 100% historically accurate?

what is a "bible thumper with delusions of grandeur" for $100 forum bucks jim?

someone who will be ""proven"" right in everything he or she believes
proven? when?
and they're wrong now.which is what matters at the moment.these upcoming moments decide the future and you're walking around hoping to be proven right instead of activley making things better.

You should try to be part of the solution instead of waiting for one.

and little doubt Mr. Voight is an atheistic evolutionist with an agenda to push

You're such a fucking hypocrite.

As much as you decry Falwell and Robertson, you're just as bad.

awhhh shit not again...

what's with the name calling?

He does that to damn near everyone, I've been called an idiot more times then I bother to count. The insults usually come about after someone makes a good argument and theres no real way for him to disprove any of it.

and little doubt Mr. Voight is an atheistic evolutionist with an agenda to push

Yeah, unlike the Christians with their agenda... Recruit more sheep, keep the dollars coming in... I wonder something: If you added up every dollar given to every Christian church in the country, how would it compare to some of the GNPs of the rest of the world?

Jesus is Big Business.

yzf im just wondering... do you believe in a set destiny?


oh and i was watching the history channel the other day, and they were saying that Satan, Hell, and all that shit was made up by the church to draw in more people. Saying that if you didnt they would all burn in hell, even though satan and visions of hell are not mentioned very often in the bible. And that the 7 deadly sins were made up by a priest or cardinal, also to bring in more people, since those 7 deadly sins happened to be the favorite indulgences of the people at that point in time.

yzf is less a proponent of the church and more of a proponent of just christianity in general.

as such, anti-church arguments don't really apply to him. he criticizes organized religion more often then the rest of us do.

Actually, Mark is only a proponent of himself, as he's repeatedly proven. He's the best at everything he turns his hand to, apparently, and anything he hasn't is "mindless" and not worth bothering with. :D

His adoption of "Christianity" is just another attempt to satisfy his need to be better than everyone else. The belief that all of his antagonists will eventually burn in hell and that he will be one of the chosen few is just the ultimate extension of that mentality. In the final analysis, though, his abuse of "religion" is nothing more than a transparent effort to boost his own ego and get some attention.

If Mark were a Girl Scout, he'd be desperately trying to break the troop cookie sales record, or more likely, just telling everyone else that he had.

15 years ago.

In his buddy's big block Camaro. :bigthumb:

Sort of makes you wonder how fucked up his real life must be if he deliberately chooses to act this way in a virtual world.

......oh and i was watching the history channel the other day, and they were saying that Satan, Hell, and all that shit was made up by the church to draw in more people. Saying that if you didnt they would all burn in hell, even though satan and visions of hell are not mentioned very often in the bible. And that the 7 deadly sins were made up by a priest or cardinal, also to bring in more people, since those 7 deadly sins happened to be the favorite indulgences of the people at that point in time.

That's one of my points that I've been trying to get across to YZF and his allies........

......the "church" (and I use that term loosely, because it's difficult to tell the true church of Jesus Christ from the legions of imitators and false teachers these days) doesn't invent any Biblical doctrine, although some, like the Roman Catholic system, try to undermine doctrine with lies.......


The irony is that ur convince that ur "brand" of bible is immune to that......

Hey, YZF, quit it with the name calling :p

What do you call someone who refers to Genesis as being 100% historically accurate?

Tofuball.

Yeah, unlike the Christians with their agenda... Recruit more sheep, keep the dollars coming in... I wonder something: If you added up every dollar given to every Christian church in the country, how would it compare to some of the GNPs of the rest of the world?

Jesus is Big Business.

It's true; a lot of people have found a lot of money in it. It doesn’t mean that they are right, or true representations of the Will of Christ or God.

Oh yeh, and the bible does preach directly against them, and warns Christians to be on the lookout for them :P



I'll give an example; the way I deal with my money is not to donate a whole lot of it to the church I attend. Sure, I give a little, that’s to help the fund the church in paying for the pastor, the presentation equipment, the snacks afterwards, and that kind of thing.

I've been to a whole lot of different churches. If I see a ridiculous building with large, professionally contracted stained glass windows, it gives me the hint that perhaps this church isn’t really focused on anything important.

The larger quantity of my income (and time) is send towards missions in third world countries that I personally went and assisted, and witnessed the Hand of God at work in powerful and miraculous ways.

predestinaton? yes...key Biblical doctrine


predestination

n 1: previous determination as if by destiny or fate 2: (theology) being determined in advance; especially the doctrine (usually associated with Calvin) that God has foreordained every event throughout eternity (including the final salvation of mankind)


Now maybe its just me. But to me that means that God has choosen all these things to happen. Also meaning that he has chosen who will believe in him (not giving us a actual choice, remember now destiny has been pre-ordained) and be "saved" compared to those that he choose not to and be condemn to an eternal hell. If destiny is set, and all things forseen, then he doesnt give a damn really.

I mean hell look that the Book of Job, he made a fucking BET to prove how much of an idiot Job is. he let Satan take everything away from him, and i do mean everything, to prove a point.

Mark, even if your good is real. You can keep him for yourself. Im gonna go find Buddha, least he doesnt bet on my family.

mark im not reading all that shit.. you CANNOT take a book that worships god or jesus, to prove your points!!

1) from what i did read you didnt even try to prove me wrong that all our believes are pre-ordained.

2) go read your book again, look at the book of Job. it will tell you that he made a BET with the devil that Job would not renounce his faith. They pretty much shake hands on it.

3) he is not my god, he is no ones god. he's a figment of a jesus ( a crazy man, just like david korensh (sp), imagnination. he doesnt exist. Your Noahs Ark flood happened a long time ago in a babylonian/sumarian valley, and was considered a world flood, becuase that valley was basically the entire wolrd at that time.

4) and just like either batman or jimlab said (im not going back to look). Your trying to prove your worth by saying your better than everyone else "Hey im Mark, i can benchpress a Buick at 40." Your "faith" is just another way to one up everyone.

that all you got?

no real answers?

Colton-1
Mark-0

Jimlab - alot
BATMAN - 666
Colton-1
Mark-0

hey at least im part of the elite now lol

No score for Manntis? Zhen daomei!

just watch me

quoting Pierre Trudeau now? ;)

"moron" is a deadly accurate term for you and your ilk


You say that like it isn't an accurate term for your ilk.

Everytime you start quoting the Bible I'm going to refute it with a quote from the Silmarillion.

or from "Stranger In A Strange Land" or "I, Robot" ;)

bah, you're another moron

Case in point :)

And what, I dont get on the list? lol, I put in my time, .5? nothing?

Jimlab - alot
BATMAN - 666
Colton-1
Manntis-1
Rodney-.5
Mark-0

everyone happy now?

You're doing a bang-up job of spreading the good news, YZF.

Keep it up and you'll get a Gold Star!

Not true, you hear about the new white furry lobster thing they found? :moon:

We are called to spread the Good News.

amen to that

do you get the Voice of the Martyrs newsletter? is this Brian?

Nope, Never heard of it, whats it about? (Sounds cool) :)

My name is Jason :)


. . . Remember to repay good for evil, when they curse you, bless them.

on this forum, I spread the bad news...On this forum, you spread the bullshit. Nothing more.

before this thread de-railed, anyone have a response to this???

What was the point of your post? Of course we're exposed to new diseases, look at how fast the population of the world is increasing, as well as the pollution, radiation, etc. we are being subjected to.

What was the point of your post? Of course we're exposed to new diseases, look at how fast the population of the world is increasing, as well as the pollution, radiation, etc. we are being subjected to.

His argument is about as flawed as people thinking that God is mad at America and that's why September 11th happened. So don't mind him :)

Gooooooooooooooooooooood Bless AAAmericaaaaaaaaaaaa. Our Hoooooooooooommmmme Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet Hooooooooooooome :bigthumb:

EVOLUTION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ORIGINS, FOLKS....THE INEVITABLE TREND OF EVOLUTION IS DECAY, DISORDER, AND DEATH. IT IS NOT BECAUSE GOD IS PISSED AT ALL THOSE WHO REFUTE THE WORDS OF HIS CHRISTIAN MESSENGERS.



Fixxed

this is fucking gay. thanks for making TFL boring yzf.

EVOLUTION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ORIGINS, FOLKS...It may or it may not, but you aren't knowledgable enough or even articulate enough to discuss it intelligently, so debating the subject with you is an exercise in futility.

THE INEVITABLE TREND OF EVOLUTION IS DECAY, DISORDER, AND DEATHNo, the inevitable trend of life is decay, disorder, and death.

Evolution is the change in the traits of living organisms towards a more advanced, or mature stage, not less. Survival of the fittest and most adaptable is still very much alive and well in the animal kingdom, with the exception of humans. Ryosuke is proof of that.

irrefutable factThat you're an overzealous and undereducated moron? Yep, that's irrefutable fact, and the first accurate statement you've made in weeks.

I'll leave that to you, mr. FD-on-jackstands 5 years from now, while still trumpeting his own excellence on several forums.Have you seen my work? Is it anything short of excellent? You yourself have stated so on several occasions, and you'd be hard pressed to find one of my most fervent detractors who wouldn't grudgingly admit that what I have done on the car is top notch and worthy of respect.

That the car is not running is my concern only. Since I am obviously unconcerned, it is therefore irrelevant. The day that I come over to your house and take the rotary engine out of your car and put it on jackstands for 5 years is the day that you have a legitimate complaint.

None of which has anything to do with your inability to form a rational thought...

provide an example of this

speciation is not proof of increasing information, it is simply reorganization of the same original information....the key is the overall trend of information with respect to time, is it increasing? is it becoming progressively more organized? the answer is no, thousands of creatures become extinct, nothing new ever arises, and speciation does not produce new organisms

The others are genetically washed out via cross breeding (ebony rooster and plantation man) or snuffed out via natural selection......

agreed, what I have seen of your work is excellent, I wish you would let that speak for itself....your personal god complex I could do without, so could many others

Come on Mark, U don't have a GOD complex with ur eternal thirst?

At least jimlab can back his up in this life.

U taken the initiative to develop those bushings.

U simply repeat someone else's workings, the bible.

provide an example of thisOnce again, you've proven that your reading comprehension is for shit.

"debating the subject with you is an exercise in futility."

End of discussion.

your personal god complex I could do withoutWhy, because you've already got a well-developed God complex of your own?

so could many othersI really need to send you a mirror, God-boy.

the difference is, Jim exalts HIMSELF....continually....regardless of contextThis is coming from Mr. Shoot Better, Lift More, Ride Better, and Drive Faster?!? :roll:

Who's been bragging about themselves... continually... regardless of context? YOU HAVE.

One extra large mirror, on the way.

I seek to exalt God, except whenyou have the chance to exalt yourself...

and none of it is trueAt least we agree on that.

so, again, although defending one's self is essentially much a waste of time here (and perhaps I'm overly defensive), but I don't tolerate false, baseless accusationsYou just like to make them about other people...

so let's stock to the topic, someone's personal life really isn't the issue, is it?Especially when it's as pathetic and unfulfilling as yours must be, Mr. 29-posts a day on the forum that doesn't appreciate my righteousness...

because you can't do it.No, because you're not worth the bother.

nice cop-outI like yours better; God did it, can't argue with that. :bigthumb:

uh...

"How much do you bench? I bench more than you!"

"But I didn't tell you how much I bench. So you don't really know if you lift more, and-"

"Shut up! God loves me and hates you, minless sinner!"


...yup, just the facts :rolleyes:

99% of the time in response to false accusations...Blow your smoke up someone else's ass. You're constantly ready to toot your own horn if given even half a chance, even if it means making something up... which is pretty damn sad when you think about it.

alain,

the difference is, Jim exalts HIMSELF....continually....regardless of context

I seek to exalt God, except when called to defend myself against false accusations such as "you're weak", "you can't think for yourself", "you're short", on and on it goes!

and none of it is true

so, again, although defending one's self is essentially a waste of time here (and perhaps I'm overly defensive), I don't tolerate false, baseless accusations

so let's stick to the topic, someone's personal life really isn't the issue, is it?

who u think is right or wrong is not the point.

the point is u made an accusation that jimlab has a god-like complex when are just as guilty, if not worse.

http://www.firstuniversal.clara.net/godzilla_files/godzilla.jpg

......... I'm simply confident in what I believe

simple minded people, unable to debate a highly complex issue such as evolution, divert the topic and resort to personal insults, or direct attacks on what I believe, such as "the Bible is hearsay", etc the trend is always the same

I can live with what u believe.

But when u start to pass it as the truth when there are many "truths" out there and mis-information, while issuing personal attacks on others, then don't start crying when u get sand in ur vagina..........

i understand ur point.

just have to be cool with the other side........

NOTHING I have said is made up, not one thing, INCLUDING the 9.80 pass at the strip, target shooting with a .460 Weatherby, etcBullshit on the 9.80 pass, and yarding the trigger once on a .460 that someone else owned hardly counts as "target shooting".

I do expect some measure of respect to be reciprocated, and it rarely isBecause of your behavior, not necessarily because of the message.

I have no problem with people believing in whatever they want to. If that's Buddha or Ganesha, that's fine with me. If they want to worship Doug the Ever-Flatulent, more power to 'em, as long as they do it on their own time. It's when they start waving pamphlets in my face, spouting proverbs at me, and haranguing me about going to hell if I don't straighten up and fly right (their right) that I start to have a problem with how they choose to practice "their" religion.

It's your religion. If you don't want it profaned, keep it to yourself and don't bring it into every conversation, because IT DOESN'T BELONG THERE and some people are GOING TO RESENT IT.

You're a lot of things, but you're certainly no student of human behavior, Mark.

what the heck is "yarding the trigger"What a flinching pussy like yourself would do when firing a gun that's too big for you...

Oh, come on Mark.

ur eruptions of biblical porportions are not always a result of my stories.

If anything, I came into the scene a little late.

U've danced with the other boys in the "other" forum.

that's a lie....fact is, evolution is your religion, like just about everyone else here, and you don't want your religion attacked

Evlution is backed by science.

religon is rarely backed with science. It's a faith.

think about that grasshopper........

i'm banned from there too.

I must be the Lucifer of both those forums...........

I don't bring it into every conversationDamn near...

that's a lie....fact is, evolution is your religion, like just about everyone else here, and you don't want your religion attackedI'll tell you one last time, and try to read carefully... I don't care what the origin of our species is. Period. If scientists miraculously discovered the answer tomorrow, I'd say "hey, good for you" and go on with my life.

My attacks on your belief in a creationist origin have nothing to do with supporting the theory of evolution. They have everything to do with your complete lack of substantiating evidence for your own beliefs while accusing evolutionists of the same. Not to mention the nutty bullshit about a 6,000 year old Earth...

bah, they IP banned me countless times....I keep posting anywayThat'll show 'em... prove to 'em beyond a doubt that you're too stupid to leave when it's obvious that you're not wanted.

and you don't care what happens after death, right? ultimate questions never enter your mindA single rational thought has never escaped yours.

I know what happens after death, and I don't need to invent nursery rhymes to believe in to make myself feel better about it.

life after death consist of sitting in a worms stomach.

so what happens, mr. all knowing? let me guess, the body rots in the grave and that's it, right?Assuming you don't opt for cremation or taxidermy, sure.

how wrong you will be proven to be!! and don't tell me you wouldn't want to know, perhaps the finality of death hasn't gripped you yet, or perhaps you're really that coldOr perhaps I'm just a realist who isn't banking on finding Candyland at the end of the rainbow to make me feel better about the fact that I'm eventually going to die.

well, I'm a realistSorry, in order to be a realist, your beliefs have to be based on reality. You and reality aren't even on speaking terms.

depends on how you care to define "reality"

the cornerstone of all Mark's arguments finally surfaces... ;)

Watch out, I have the feeling that he's about to quote some Dio lyrics at you. Let's see if I can help out...

Tell a little truth with many lies.
It's the only way I've found.

See how I highlighted the appropriate words to make my point? That means I'm a Bible scholar now. :bigthumb:

youre ruining my interweb experience.

it's true, though, that is exactly how Satan operates...I was referring to you.