I've seen some pretty interesting documentaries lately that I'd like to recommend to those of you who support Darwinian Evolution/Natural Selection.

Unlocking the Mystery of LIfe and The Privileged Planet.

While I don't normally jump in the evolution vs creation slap fests between YZF and the rest of you, I saw these documentaries myself and they made excellent arguments for Intelligent Design. If you wholeheartedly support natural selection, you really owe it to yourself to see Unlocking the Mystery of Life so that you can understand the logic behind the movement. It is based on science and presented by scientists having PHDs in the studies of biochemistry, mathematics, astronomy, etc.

Rest assured that you will not be "Preached" to. Neither video identifies Jesus as the creator. Nobody mentions the Bible.

While this won't likely cause you to realize that Jesus is the key to your reconciliation to God. It may humble your heart towards the recognition that it is absolutely possible and reasonable that the universe was the creation of a divine being.

Let's say that all of us wants to fertilize the girl of our dreams ovums, but she wants some guy that is more intelligent, better looking, healthy physique, and last, but not the least, hung like Mr. Ed, would that be divine influence or natural selection?

Same applies to our visual appetite for a fine piece of ass.

It's amazing the number of bible thumpers that prefer to date the "pretty and the popular" over a product of inbreeding (happens alot in the red states) that has a heart of gold.

The hypocracy is amazing........

Let's say that all of us wants to fertilize the girl of our dreams ovums, but she wants some guy that is more intelligent, better looking, healthy physique, and last, but not the least, hung like Mr. Ed, would that be divine influence or natural selection?

Same applies to our visual appetite for a fine piece of ass.

It's amazing the number of bible thumpers that prefer to date the "pretty and the popular" over a product of inbreeding (happens alot in the red states) that has a heart of gold.

The hypocracy is amazing........

Hrm, my wife doesnt fit into your catagories :)

SPELLING ALERT! you mispelled hypocrisy batman!

intelligent design is a dumb dumb dumb dumb theory, and there's nothing remotely scientific about it. it's completely untestable and unverifiable.

that doesn't mean that god didn't create the universe and everything in it.

it just means there's no need to espouse a pseudoscientific theory and try to pass it off as legitimate science to try and advance your 'alternative' view.

porn has warped you brain beyond belief

The bible's warped yours.

What two things are often times offensive and entirely made up? Pornography and the bible. :)

it's a sad day when fools compare the Word of God to perversion

they will be swept away

I'll hold the dustpan, you cult-following imbecile. :hide:

.sdf

I'll see you humbled, rebellious fool!

:rofl:

Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design. Your friends, up there on the sanctuary moon, are walking into a trap, as is your Rebel fleet. It was I who allowed the Alliance to know the location of the shield generator. It is quite safe from your pitiful little band. An entire legion of my best troops awaits them. Oh... I'm afraid the deflector shield will be quite operational when your friends arrive.

Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design. Your friends, up there on the sanctuary moon, are walking into a trap, as is your Rebel fleet. It was I who allowed the Alliance to know the location of the shield generator. It is quite safe from your pitiful little band. An entire legion of my best troops awaits them. Oh... I'm afraid the deflector shield will be quite operational when your friends arrive.
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which came first, the Truth, or the many stories and fables that borrow heavily from it (including the Quran)?

You know, the last time someone wrote a powerful, highly publicized book, it turned out to be total bullshit. (Google James Frey.) Nobody has been able to convince me of a decent reason why a billion people subscribe to the writings of twelve guys who are just like you and me. Hell, if that's what it takes to write a religious book, someone send some white robes and a couple sacrificial offerings to JK Rowlings.

You know, the last time someone wrote a powerful, highly publicized book, it turned out to be total bullshit. (Google James Frey.) Nobody has been able to convince me of a decent reason why a billion people subscribe to the writings of twelve guys who are just like you and me. Hell, if that's what it takes to write a religious book, someone send some white robes and a couple sacrificial offerings to JK Rowlings.

i'm not saying you have to believe it word for word, but comparing it to harry potter is just dumb. like wow dumb. like really really dumb.

like it or not, the bible in its christian form has been around for 2000 years and has, for better or worse, altered the course of human history. conversion of the roman empire, theological split between eastern orthodoxy and western roman, divine right of rulers in the middle ages, etc.

i really don't think anybody is going to care about harry potter in the year 4006.

People thought the Earth was flat up until about 350 years ago or so, too, folks. In fact, they were sure of it, so sure that people wouldn't go sailing too far away from home for fear of falling off the shit.

Look, I'm all for a higher being, a force to look up to to help you lead a virtuous life, but IMO the vast majority of organized religions take it WAY too far. I hate fucks like YZF who say that every other organized religion is simply a copy of Christianity, a lowly knockoff (YZF: YOu can't please everybody, but pissing off the 80% of the world that ISN'T Christian probably isn't the best strategy either) and whatever those 12 guys wrote is suddenly the law of the fucking world. Hey, asshole: GOD DIDN'T WRITE THE BIBLE. 12 BROKE FISHERMEN DID. It's entirely possible that God came down and told them what to write, but it's also equally possible that the 12 of them got wasted in Paul's mom's house and wrote the thing in a week and a half. Christianity has certainly had a positive impact on the world, but nobody likes to mention the negatives, like how gays and lesbians can't get married even though they have just as much right to a legal union as the rest of us. My favorite book of the Bible, Leviticus, has such gems as "homosexuality is a sin" and "blind people can't recieve communion."

I don't doubt that Christianity has changed the course of the world. But what about this minor following called Islam? They've been around just as long, and one could argue that their religion had an equal impact over the course of time. It's certainly had a FAR greater impact in the last 50 years than Christianity has had.

Christianity has certainly had a positive impact on the world, but nobody likes to mention the negatives, like how gays and lesbians can't get married even though they have just as much right to a legal union as the rest of us.

Marriage isn't the same exact thing as legal union. Marriage is a religious practice. The freedom of religion... a religion CAN ban homosexuality; it's their right. Certainly, there are other questions to be asked about a religion doing that.. degree of sin, why are one person sins worse than the other, etc. Legal Union? Sure... Go the judge and get a legal union... but don't fight for religions to allow things they don't want in their doors. I'm not for the persecution for anyone... but if a religion doesn't want homosexuals.. they have that right just as much as homosexuals claim their right to legal unions.

I don't doubt that Christianity has changed the course of the world. But what about this minor following called Islam? They've been around just as long, and one could argue that their religion had an equal impact over the course of time. It's certainly had a FAR greater impact in the last 50 years than Christianity has had.

Wrong.

http://www.sacklunch.net/biography/M/Mohammed.html

Mohammed was born in 571, a.d. it's about 3/4 as old as Christianity. Judiasm is older than both.



People thought the Earth was flat up until about 350 years ago or so, too, folks. In fact, they were sure of it, so sure that people wouldn't go sailing too far away from home for fear of falling off the shit.

Yup, this is the result of idiots interpreting things. "Take my word unto the 4 corners of the earth." This could be Pangaea, or just 100% symbolism, but this is just one example of morons misinterpreting things. The more that I become interested in science.. and the more i look at "hot topics" of the Bible... there's room for everything to plug in.

Marriage isn't the same exact thing as legal union. Marriage is a religious practice. The freedom of religion... a religion CAN ban homosexuality; it's their right. Certainly, there are other questions to be asked about a religion doing that.. degree of sin, why are one person sins worse than the other, etc. Legal Union? Sure... Go the judge and get a legal union... but don't fight for religions to allow things they don't want in their doors. I'm not for the persecution for anyone... but if a religion doesn't want homosexuals.. they have that right just as much as homosexuals claim their right to legal unions.

Religious people have every right to prosecute whomever they choose, a la Voltaire. It becomes an issue when Marriage goes from a religious ceremony to a legal union. You can't have your cake and eat it too; Marriage is either a religious ceremony, in which case it can be discriminatory, or it is a legal union, in which case it CANNOT be discriminated against.

Of all the stupid shit Bush has done, the scariest thing he tried to do was have gay marriage banned via the Constitution. Separation of church and state my ass.

where the hell do you get your info savington? wtf are the schools teaching nowadays?

350 years ago? uh... no. maybe the uneducated masses thought the earth was flat 350 years ago, but people knew the earth was round in classical greece... 2500ish years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth

in fact, if you click on the link... you'll see that someone estimated the circumference of the earth within 2% of its actual value in 240BC.

nor did i say christianity had a 'positive impact' on the world. i only said it had a huge impact on the course of human history.

350 years ago? uh... no. maybe the uneducated masses thought the earth was flat 350 years ago, but people knew the earth was round in classical greece... 2500ish years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth

in fact, if you click on the link... you'll see that someone estimated the circumference of the earth within 2% of its actual value in 240BC.


Queen and I were just discussing this... (she knows everything.)

where the hell do you get your info savington? wtf are the schools teaching nowadays?

350 years ago? uh... no. maybe the uneducated masses thought the earth was flat 350 years ago, but people knew the earth was round in classical greece... 2500ish years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth

in fact, if you click on the link... you'll see that someone estimated the circumference of the earth within 2% of its actual value in 240BC.

nor did i say christianity had a 'positive impact' on the world. i only said it had a huge impact on the course of human history.
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2 things. 1, I suck at math. I meant to say 550 years, or around 1450 when sea was a major way of transportation. The greeks may have known the Earth was round, but I still think that most people believed it to be flat. If everyone knew it was round, why were Columbus' crew so afraid of sailing off the end of the world? And 2, has anyone come up with a decent rebuttal to my gay marriage argument? YZF, I'm sure you can pull some biblical quote out of your ass.

The greeks may have known the Earth was round, but I still think that most people believed it to be flat. If everyone knew it was round, why were Columbus' crew so afraid of sailing off the end of the world?

because public education sucked in the 15th century. almost as bad as it does today, apparently.

there's also that thing about how the western world forgot all the awesome greek knowledge and philosophy etc. until they rediscovered it from the arabs. aka the dark ages....

because public education sucked in the 15th century. almost as bad as it does today, apparently.

:evillaugh

Marriage is a religious practice.

nope - people get married in godless communist countries too, ya know. And Athiests get married in god-fearing countries like the US of A...

Christ took the moral law of the O.T. and revealed the underlying standard: sin conceived in the mind, which is why pornography, for example, has such a devastating impact on society

If so, why do you visit the Sex & Relationships section of this forum so often? Have you plucked out your right eye yet? ;)

Christ often used hyperbole to make a point

but you've said everything in the bible is the literal word o God. Is it literal, or hyperbole? If that bit is hyperbole, is it not possible that the hundreds-years lifespans of some of the other characters is also hyperbole? Or the whole creation-in-7-days thing?

but you've said everything in the bible is the literal word o God. Is it literal, or hyperbole? If that bit is hyperbole, is it not possible that the hundreds-years lifespans of some of the other characters is also hyperbole? Or the whole creation-in-7-days thing?

you're taking yzf's statement out of context...

it's one thing to say that christ himself used a hyperbole.

it's quite another to say that something the bible says actually happened should be interpreted as a hyperbole.

If I can redirect for a moment...What's fascinating in the video, for anyone who loves biology and science, are the demonstrations of the protein machines. I believe the point they make about natural selection is that it falls apart when viewed in the microbiological level.

you're taking yzf's statement out of context...

it's one thing to say that christ himself used a hyperbole.

it's quite another to say that something the bible says actually happened should be interpreted as a hyperbole.

you'd have a point, if Mark hadn't gone on in the past about how every word in the bible is the literal word of God, and meant to be taken as such - which includes the teachings of Christ, speaking on behalf of God.

Then again, he's also taken the findings of Mary Schweitzer out of context to 'prove' that T-Rex lived less than 10,000 years ago - although her own research states that the tissue findings show that tissue can be preserved for millions of years, and she has asked the Answers In Genesis people to stop distorting her work

read her work for yourself, not the AIG filtered version.

BTW of your AIG buddies, she says "If God is who he says he is, he doesn't need us to twist and contort scientific data... These people are claiming to represent the Christ that I love. They're not doing a very good job. It's no wonder a lot of my collegues are athiests"

she's been programmed by the system to accept "millions of years" as fact, just like everyone else in 2006, so anyone who challenges the paradigm is seen as "hateful" :rolleyes:

...when AIG uses her name to say "see? a scientist agrees with us!" you hold her in high regard. When she says "Uh... not quite" you turn around and say she's brainwashed :rolleyes:

the article does not "hold her in high regard"


I didn't say the article did - I said you did. You've held up the AIG version of her research and her credentials to 'prove' that dinosaurs existed less than 10,000 years ago.

Hyperbole

I personally don't read it as hyperbole.
I see it as an example, and a display.

My thought is:
How could your real eye cause you to sin? It does not, sin is conceived elsewhere . . .

Does AIG have an article explaining away plate tectonics? I'd like to see the explanation for the patterns of polarity shift on the Atlantic floor, especially how they explain away the known rate of tectonic motion.