Let's pretend "Joe" feels like he needs to commit this sin.

Can Joe repent, if you will, before he kills himself to afford a way into heaven? Is he screwed regardless?

He's fucked as I understand it.

You can't preemptively repent, and the Catholics don't sell indulgences anymore.

Why is it a grave sin again? What if he can't stand living here anymore? What else is there to do?

Sorry, I watched Constantine and it got me thinking.

Heres another question:
Why is it that when my friend commited suicide they made a special effort to refrain from saying so during her funeral (at a chruch mind you) and kept saying she's "with god in heaven".

I thought the threat of damn-nation told to you in church was to keep people from killing themselfs. Why would they lie, just to save the feelings of the family of this 18 yr old single mother who regularly attented church? Seems like they missed the chance to scare a few youths into prayer.

Sucks man. Did she leave a note?



Back to Mark....

What if the guy puts in a quarter or half a century in? Isn't that enough? He has put in more time than a person who died at 16 in a car crash.

There has to be some loophole.

Serious note...what about doctor assist suicide or people carrying plastic weapons for the cops to kill them inadvertently?

R281: not to sure, they stayed far from the topic

czarofzar: guess it all depends on what one's deffinition of suicide is.


edit: wait a sec czarofzar, I remember that quote!! that was directed at me, and I still dont know WTF he's talking about.....

Serious note...what about doctor assist suicide or people carrying plastic weapons for the cops to kill them inadvertently?
yeah, is that a way to cheat the system?

I thought Tony's quote was original and is something I wish I had thought of.

Thats right! You are trying to get the girl in bed. And I think Tony was suggesting that in most cases, when you find you have nothing to lose with a girl, and you've tried all unobtrusive hints to get into her pants, try performing 'ice breaking' behaviour to see where it goes.

suicide is a very grave sin....I question whether anyone can be saved and take their own life, perhaps there will be exceptions

Samson in the temple.

so flying a planeful of moslem {devilworshippers} tourists into a mosque would be ok .


people carrying plastic weapons for the cops to kill them

jesus. his superpowers would have enabled him to escape Roman justice, instead he egged them on, "what is truth ?"

R281: not to sure, they stayed far from the topic

czarofzar: guess it all depends on what one's deffinition of suicide is.


edit: wait a sec czarofzar, I remember that quote!! that was directed at me, and I still dont know WTF he's talking about.....


I told you to shoot me a PM if you didnt understand it and i would get you a nice picture sequence set up to help out.

Edit: Basically you were asking about how to tell if she wanted to jump you or just be friends. That is how you can tell, if she walks up and plays with said "gum" then she wants to roll in the hay if any other reaction other then her showing interest in the "gum" then she just wanted to be friends.

I thought Tony's quote was original and is something I wish I had thought of.

Yeah i was looking at my "rep" and saw someone added to it on a good note. It took me a second to figure out who would do such a thing.

Suicided just doesnt seem justified to me. They are doing it for the reason that we live. To try and find the better days through life. But what do i know i am not religious.

I agree Tone,
we are trying to figure out if we can get to heaven if we ended our own life. With or without the overwhelming drama in our heads.

I agree Tone,
we are trying to figure out if we can get to heaven if we ended our own life. With or without the overwhelming drama in our heads.

That was the only input i could offer towards this topic. That being said i will keep my mouth shut unless its more specific next time.:bigthumb:

Dont blame you for not reading from the start of this boring journey. Please jump right in. Fresh ideas are always welcomed. If ya real good, maybe youll get a few of us wanting to kill you like our friend YZF managed to do.

j/k please share your views. No one is wrong in their view of religion anyway. Just a group who thinks they are right.

HINT: I am always right. Not Ark2:bigthumb:

HINT: I am always right. Not Ark2:bigthumb:

Lies... all lies!!!

‘For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’[/i]

For to everyone who has, {the gift of forgiveness,} more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, {the gift of forgiveness,} even what he has will be taken away.

seems to describe the setup well.

so the have nots are NOT being tested, they CANNOT pass the test because they are not GIVEN the test.

the have nots ARE the test.

so it makes no difference if a doomed person kills herself, either way she IS going to be cast into hell.

same with a gifted-with-forgiveness person, god ALREADY forgave him for ALL the sins that he would commit in his ENTIRE LIFE, since god already knows exactly what he WILL do.

a person who is forgiven CANNOT EVER SIN since every sin IS forgiven.

a person who CAN sin is not, and CANNOT be forgiven, EVER.

jesus was the last human who COULD CHOOSE to sin or not.

so if a christian wants to commit suicide, go for it, god wants you NOW and he already forgave you for the sin of suicide you are about to commit.

if you are NOT christian, DON'T ! because hell has GOT to be worse than whatever god is putting you through here so you want to put it off as long as you can.

keep in mind that god has given satan super powers to FOOL you into thinking you are forgiven when you are not.

:bowdown: :screwyou: