http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/26/world/main2514360.shtml

with no yzf to foam at the mouth about it, what is the point ?


the christians say jesus just vanished in a poof of sulphurous smoke, leaving no bones.

the moslems say he eventually died, leaving bones.

I would be interested in any DNA because half of jesus' double helix is supposed to be streight from heaven, the other half would be his mothers human stuff.

so what if the moslems and christians are both partially right ?

jesus WAS immaculately concieved, but he DIDN'T die on the cross.

we would have the possibility of getting a sample of perfectly designed DNA which would help the antidarwinist case.

while shooting holes in another part of their dogma :D

http://www.theforumlounge.com/thread8726-apperent-proof-jesus-died-film-will-reveal.html

haw haw

Even the usual anti-god crowd wont stand behind this one.

This one is really, really sad.

Even the usual anti-god crowd wont stand behind this one.
A lot of talk at work. One xtain joked at me that it is "Proof Jesus did exist!"

But it wouldn't surprise me if this was indeed Jesus' body.

in a starnge paradox, I absolutely believe slanderous attacks on our faith such as DaVinci Code


The DaVinci Code is fiction, you retard.

but many people were affected by it, several I know

you don't understand how subtle Satan is....heck, you're part of his system, part of his web of lies, why would you see it?


That mind set is do f'n retarded....so anything that you see that doesn't align with your beliefs is caused by Satan?!?!?

Then if that is true, with my beliefs you are one of his evil imps here to spread false truth and confusion.

YZF = SATAN

Quit trying to paint everyone black and white Marky.......

so says the heretic, who openly mocks God's Word

Mark, there isn't ONE BIT of your behavior that can be backed by the Bible, so who here is really doing the mocking?

Jesus would spit on you in disgust.

Really.

A lot of talk at work. One xtain joked at me that it is "Proof Jesus did exist!"

But it wouldn't surprise me if this was indeed Jesus' body.

You want proof he existed?

For starters, how about reading what the Jews of the time wrote about him?

You want proof he existed?

For starters, how about reading what the Jews of the time wrote about him?

I think he existed.
My two cents: Because he wasn't good working with wood, or he was pissed off about jewish laws or whatever, the Jesus we read about was a 'side of the road' showman like a circus, for donations and to raise money. How else was he feeding himself and his friends?

You want proof he existed?

For starters, how about reading what the Jews of the time wrote about him?

The Greeks wrote stories about the Gods walking among them, but that doesn't make you believe in 'em... And the ancient Greeks were FAR more advanced philosophically, scientifically, and legally than the Jews.

The Greeks wrote stories about the Gods walking among them, but that doesn't make you believe in 'em... And the ancient Greeks were FAR more advanced philosophically, scientifically, and legally than the Jews.

Makes you wonder why they lacked longevity.

anything outside of God's revealed truth, in a spiritual context, is ultimately satanic in origin

no, not ultimately.

ultimately EVERYTHING is godly in origin, including satan and all his works.

Makes you wonder why they lacked longevity.
Longevity? As in race or religion? or...?

I suppose we can argue that Greeks were more attractive to conquer than some desert caveman real estate.

I was referring to religion.

the greek gods would have had to show up PERSONALLY to fight against the appointed representitives of jesus.

since they didn't jesus won by default without even having to get personally involved.

note that although jesus promised to show up, for every generation of men since he ascended he has not actually made his promised appearence at all.

too busy wrestling naked with Apollo on Mt. Olympus ?

not much changes in 2,000 years

Matthew 10

Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues. You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.

Now brother will deliver up brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death. And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.

A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master. It is enough for a disciple that he be like his teacher, and a servant like his master. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more will they call those of his household! Therefore do not fear them. For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known.

Its absolutely sickening that you try to justify your unchristian like behavior with scripture....fact is that you have been brainwashed or you are an egomaniac who thinks that this attitude is acceptable....

Either way, hell rejoices when you speak and act....you are the one keeping Satan in business Marky, and you are the best example of a hypocrite...

Mock Gods words? Never....
Mock your (bad) interpretation of the Word? Always....

Mock your (bad) interpretation of the Word?

this here is a really good approximation, almost positivly very close to the original, virtually all of the really big messages are translated with admirable precision and a very low tolerance for errors.

garunteed inerrent ? nope.

close enough ? with enough faith.

Makes you wonder why they lacked longevity.

How long was their system of belief around for? I know it started long before Christianity, and carried on for a long time after Jesus' birth. Hell, it was probably around total for about as long as Christianity... It was definitely around much, much longer than modern Christianity.

Religions tend to have ~2,000 year cycles if I recall correctly.

If all you need is longevity, Buddhism started before Christ, and continues today virtually unchanged.

How long was their system of belief around for? I know it started long before Christianity

"Christianity" wasn't born with Christ. Jews were the first "Christians."

A true "Christian" is just a Jew, or a gentile that has been grafted into the branch.

The religion never changed, it's always been a focus on God.

Hell, it was probably around total for about as long as Christianity...

I say it was around just as long. It is just another representation of people who chose and designed their own gods to suit their own wants, needs and/or goals.

Gods that were just as prone to commit (or in the case of the Greek/Roman gods, even more prone) human errors, and limited to the scope of human logic.

It was definitely around much, much longer than modern Christianity.

The religion of putting God first existed before time. The religion of putting man first was born with Adam.

"Christianity" wasn't born with Christ. Jews were the first "Christians."

A true "Christian" is just a Jew, or a gentile that has been grafted into the branch.

The religion never changed, it's always been a focus on God.

Jews are NOT Christians in any way, shape, or form. Jews do NOT believe Christ is the Messiah.

I say it was around just as long. It is just another representation of people who chose and designed their own gods to suit their own wants, needs and/or goals.

So, every religion is people who design their own Gods, except for the one you believe in.

Well, isn't that just so convenient!

Gods that were just as prone to commit (or in the case of the Greek/Roman gods, even more prone) human errors, and limited to the scope of human logic.

Could it be because *gasp* the stories are just meant to teach morals and values, and by using a God figure, it gave the stories authority???

The religion of putting God first existed before time. The religion of putting man first was born with Adam.

So all the religions that don't include the story of Adam put God first, and the ones that are inclusive of that story don't??

"Christianity" wasn't born with Christ. Jews were the first "Christians."

A true "Christian" is just a Jew, or a gentile that has been grafted into the branch.

The religion never changed, it's always been a focus on God.



I say it was around just as long. It is just another representation of people who chose and designed their own gods to suit their own wants, needs and/or goals.

Gods that were just as prone to commit (or in the case of the Greek/Roman gods, even more prone) human errors, and limited to the scope of human logic.



The religion of putting God first existed before time. The religion of putting man first was born with Adam.

The religion of putting God first began when Adam was created. There were no people around before then to put God first. That is not "existing". Thats like saying that there was wood before there was ever a tree--if no one exists to put God first except for God, then that kills your theory. The bible makes it clear that there were no living creatures until this world was created, "in the beginning".

And putting man first did not take place until Eve was present. Until that moment, Adam and Eve were still putting God first.

pretty high handed statement, how will you fare at the judgment? I can tell you, not well, because you reject God and His Christ

news flash: no one is saved by works....even David said, "my sin is ever before me"


news flash yourself--works are required, but not works alone.

Lest you forget, "faith without deeds is dead".

The two go hand in hand, marky. Simply calling on the name of the Lord wont do. believing by itself wont do. And running around trying to do enough good also fails. you need to have enough conviction in your faith so that you are spurred on to go out and do God's work. The work by itself is just as useless as your testicles, and the same goes for faith.

Jews are NOT Christians in any way, shape, or form. Jews do NOT believe Christ is the Messiah.

Remember, the question at first wasn't "should Jews be allowed to convert to Christianity?" but "How can gentiles become believers in Yeshua? Should they become Jews first? Is it even possible?"

Even personally, I have issues understanding how a gentile could possibly understand the works and significance of the acts of Yeshua.

Yet all the people who claim to have been brought to faith as a result of my actions (God working through me, may the works of His hands be praised, and not mine) were previously practicing Catholics.

I guess God does this to show me the true meaning of the passage "To the Jew first, then the Gentile."

His wisdom is far beyond my understanding, and his ways are not like human ways.

you were actually talking to one there, kev-dog....wake up

Zing :P That made my wife laugh out loud :D


So, every religion is people who design their own Gods, except for the one you believe in.

Well, isn't that just so convenient!


Actually, that wasn't the case till about four or five years ago (I'm terrible with most dates). Once I saw The Word was true, then I believed. So it is indeed convenient that the truth wouldn't be designed.

Otherwise, this logic could be turned around to anyone to say "Isn't it convenient that the only true religion is the one you believe in?"

UNLESS you believe that NO religion is true;

Though, there are some who believe that all religions are "true" as that they have a lesson to teach, or some shallow, similar expression. Or perhaps quite as Bhudda states: "There are many paths up the mountain"

Yet, Yeshua, the salvation promised to us since the beginning, who's life was prophesied by Moses, Jeremiah, Isaiah, and the other prophets of the Living God, says "I AM The Way" and "I am The Gate"

Could it be because *gasp* the stories are just meant to teach morals and values, and by using a God figure, it gave the stories authority???

The Bible places Truth, and the manifestation of Truth above ALL. Yeshua IS the TRUTH, the WAY, and the LIGHT. If those who wrote it, lying and spinning a myth the whole way as you say, did indeed have that thought pattern you describe, then they would be the greatest hypocrites that ever lived!

So all the religions that don't include the story of Adam put God first, and the ones that are inclusive of that story don't??

Hrm. My wording sucked there, as Sky picked up on. But I believe my point came through. Quit picking on me :P

it's one thing to "spin a myth" in one lifetime, as all the founders of false religions have done....quite another to do it over 1500 years, with breathtaking synergy

satan is the BEST at what he does in gods glory.

look at the wonderful job he did with his book to the catholic church, milllions of souls lead to hell with the almost inerrent bible.

uh ok. so did anyone actually watch it?

I watched till about 10pm. I found it illogical and amateurish. They started off referring to a rumor in Matthew's account about the disciples stealing the body of Yeshua. Without actually quoting the account, they produce a thesis based on it to the viewer. Here's what Matthew said:

62 The next day, the one after Preparation Day, the chief priests and the Pharisees went to Pilate. 63 “Sir,” they said, “we remember that while he was still alive that deceiver said, ‘After three days I will rise again.’ 64 So give the order for the tomb to be made secure until the third day. Otherwise, his disciples may come and steal the body and tell the people that he has been raised from the dead. This last deception will be worse than the first.”

65 “Take a guard,” Pilate answered. “Go, make the tomb as secure as you know how.” 66 So they went and made the tomb secure by putting a seal on the stone and posting the guard.

I can't imagine Matthew, who was one of the apostles, admitting to his deception in his own account.

You say, OK so what, they have a tomb with ossuaries in it that include his name with a bar Joseph, his mother's name, a brother's rare name, oh and a second Miriam and a Matisyahu.

Well what about the bones? I find it hard to believe that an archaelogist working on the ossuaries wouldn't have noticed if the heel and wrist bones showed evidence of crucifixion. Especially in light of the fact that the name on the ossuary might indicate the remains may be a person who was crucified 2000 years ago.

Good point with the bones.
I'm not throughly convinced but it's close. I thought it was interesting that Simon from a different grave site had the same markings of a chevron over a circle. Pretty kewl.
I guess we'll see what this does. I'm not going to fuss over about how this is the real deal or not. For I was convince on other matters on Jesus much earlier than this show.

pretty high handed statement, how will you fare at the judgment? I can tell you, not well, because you reject God and His Christ

news flash: no one is saved by works....even David said, "my sin is ever before me"

Ahh, so when I call YOU on YOUR behavior, you turn it around on ME.

I see.

Fine, if there is a judgment and a God and His Christ, I won't do so hot. I'll agree with that, just for the sake of getting back to my original quote of:

Mark, there isn't ONE BIT of your behavior that can be backed by the Bible, so who here is really doing the mocking?

Jesus would spit on you in disgust.

Really.

Now, Mark, we've agreed that at the Judgment, I'd go to Hell.

So, now let's turn that magnifying glass of yours to YOUR behavior. Answer my question, or you're banned for a month.

Sorry, that's not acceptable. You lay everyone else out in public, why should you be spared?

If you can't hold YOURSELF accountable, then you can't hold anyone else accountable, either. That's hypocritical. Why set a standard for others that you, yourself, are unable to meet?

How would anyone know what Jesus' DNA was, even if His bones were found? Compare it to the shroud of Turin?

or proof that you need to reassess reality.

the DNA would be half nonhuman.

or proof that you need to reassess reality.

the DNA would be half nonhuman.

Would it? Aren't we all created in God's image?

again, kevin, it's a DEBATE forum...no one knows much about the other guy's personal life except what little they choose to reveal (unless we're talking about "internet detective" psycho jonnie)...talking about someone's "actions" here strikes me as absurd

we debate the issues...that's it, that's all....live with it

BS, every chance you get you call me out with something personal...or if you get flustered then you damn them to hell or wish cancer on them....or in my case call me some sort of sinner of the day....

You are the fool mini man....go get some meds schizo.

How would anyone know what Jesus' DNA was, even if His bones were found?

They weren't looking to compare the DNA with a known sample... in those sorts of burial ostuaries, it's typically relatives by blood or relatives by marriage who share space. They used DNA to demonstrate the Jesus wasn't related by blood to the younger Mary, ergo they were likely married.

I see. I didn't actually watch the show. I was busy. Napping.

again, kevin, it's a DEBATE forum...no one knows much about the other guy's personal life except what little they choose to reveal (unless we're talking about "internet detective" psycho jonnie)...talking about someone's "actions" here strikes me as absurd

we debate the issues...that's it, that's all....live with it

why doesnt that lack of knowledge about someone else's personal life keep you from claiming all the shit you do about everyone else, then? You have been running around all the last year or so telling people that I am divorced, that my wife took off, that I was left alone with my children? Where the fuck do you think you get off spitting shit out all day long about others? You just said this is a debate forum, yet you treat it like it's your own personal method to cast shit and judgment on others. THAT is the problem Kevin is speaking of. You whine about me supposedly being divorced, blah blah blah, yet even you have admitted that you have no proof, its just something you decided to shit out of your mouth one day. You claim that manntis makes porno movies, even after he explained how he came to hear about the porn law. how much more slander do we need to see you shit out of your mouth, while howling "its a debate forum" like that covers your ass?

As for what I know about you, perhaps you should shut the fuck up and take care of why your own family says those things about you. Your own brother's wife searched ME OUT, to tell me about your use of steroids, your anger problems, and all the rest. Why are you in here bitching at ME because SHE let the cat out of the bag about you? YOUR OWN FAMILY goes looking to tell complete strangers this stuff about you....at least I have a bona fide source, unlike you, who has admitted that you dont. It isnt like I hit your family up until someone replied....and you know it. As for the mens group, I stand by that because you deserved it. NO ONE who engages in worship with you deserves to have you being this hypocrite. Like the people you go to church with--they put their trust in you when they share their faith with you! AND YOU LET THEM DOWN because you are a fake! Eventually, you can count on it--you WILL be found out. Its just a matter of time. Even if it means they get to heaven and youre not there, they WILL find out about the real marky.....and that's the fact jack, no matter if moses did confirm the height of the bike for his picture or not. Chew on that

off-topic psycho jonnie ranting

no one reads this crap, jonnie, you're insane

Ananias clearly knew that Saul was insane too....but just as God has commanded of ALL the "chosen", he paid attention. Your problem is that you think you know it all already. You couldnt be more wrong. be sure to pack some extra weenies, youre gonna need em for the big bonfire, chief

say what?

gotcha!

No one reads any of my posts, right?

Dude, youre an idiot. Thanks for proving it all by your lonesome self.

no one reads or understands your mindless ranting

you certainly read what I posted....thats why you commented. Stop with the lies now, youre supposed to be a grown fucking man. Try acting like it for once. No wonder youre still single....douche bag....

I read the first line, that's about all I can take of your mindless posts

well, retard, there is na ignore feature for a reason...oh, wait, I almost forgot, you couldnt do that. You already tried...twice....or was it three times? Oh, yeah, thats right, it was only twice, the third time you were only PRETENDING to have me on ignore.

Youre such a joke

and you also claimed to ignore me at one time

don't you have diapers to change?

who changes yours?

Does your mommy change your diapers? You know, since daddy's in that chair, she probably gets a lot of practice....

off topic

everything you post is off topic, why should you suddenly give a shit now?

again, kevin, it's a DEBATE forum...no one knows much about the other guy's personal life except what little they choose to reveal (unless we're talking about "internet detective" psycho jonnie)...talking about someone's "actions" here strikes me as absurd

we debate the issues...that's it, that's all....live with it

Dude, whatever. Every time you tell me that I'm going to hell because I don't believe in the good book is you JUDGING me based on the Bible. Now, I want YOU to judge YOURSELF based on the Bible. That's all I'm asking.

I told you that Jesus would NOT approve of your behavior. Am I lying?

no, it's warning you what God declares in His Word



ok



some of it, yes

What is the purpose of warning others that they are on the wrong path when you yourself are not providing a good example of the correct path? When God commanded the chosen ones to reach out, didnt He fully instruct and intend for those chosen to use their lives as an example?

ok, what? Ok, youre going to hold yourself accountable, or ok, you will only do so when you choose to, rather than all the time as the bible instructs?

some of it? Which parts? The threats? The lies? Wishing people death or harm? Applauding when disaster strikes? rampant accusations without having even a questionable shred of proof?

Which parts?

and you also claimed to ignore me at one time

don't you have diapers to change?

Don't you have your dads diaper to change??? You know he made you dinner in it......Or are you getting tired of lifting him from his chair to the toilet?

:/

i watched it.

it was late at night so i didn't catch the last 45 minutes of it, however.

it seemed like a slow tease to get to some sort of punchline. my guess is there wasn't one at the end.

no, it's warning you what God declares in His Word

So, again, it's a "Do as I say, not as I do" type of thing with you? Because, no offense, this is like watching someone snort coke then look you in the eye and say, "You shouldn't do drugs."

You shouldn't tell people how to behave, Mark, you should set an example. What do you think would have more of an impact, you telling people that they are going to hell, or you living a good Christian lifestyle and trying to set an example?

some of it, yes

OK, so some of your actions Jesus would completely loathe. How can you do them, yet call yourself a follower of Christ?

it's warning you what God declares in His Word

no, it is warning him what you believe the book you believe is his word says.

as in, "I believe this book contains gods words, and I believe that the words in this book say this."

naturally one wonders how much faith to put into your ability to choose well what is worthy of belief, since there is no absolute that requires NO belief that can be used to check your beliefs against.

as an aside, my Daddy died this july, fortunatly he had no bowel difficulties so all this diaper talk does not strike home to me.
but is it nice ?

off-topic

dude, STFU and grow a pair already. You need to learn how to be a man. "off topic" is your answer every time someone says something, on point or not, that you cant answer for fear of bruising your friggin ego.

My post was EXACTLY on topic. EXACTLY. So, if you dont have the stones to face up to your issues, at least be honest enough to just say you cant handle that. Your attempt to sugar coat your problems is lame at best, and trying to get to the bottom of exactly what you consider 'acceptable' is a valid discussion. So get the hell over yourself and your damn ego already and learn how to be a man. sheesh, I sincerely hope that the majority of all 40 year old men can handle their shit better than you do.....or we're all screwed.

So, again, it's a "Do as I say, not as I do" type of thing with you? Because, no offense, this is like watching someone snort coke then look you in the eye and say, "You shouldn't do drugs."

You shouldn't tell people how to behave, Mark, you should set an example. What do you think would have more of an impact, you telling people that they are going to hell, or you living a good Christian lifestyle and trying to set an example?



OK, so some of your actions Jesus would completely loathe. How can you do them, yet call yourself a follower of Christ?

it isnt even that he SHOULD set an example--being chosen means he is COMMANDED to set that example in his daily life.

1 Timothy 4:11-16

11Command and teach these things. 12Don't let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in life, in love, in faith and in purity. 13Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to preaching and to teaching. 14Do not neglect your gift, which was given you through a prophetic message when the body of elders laid their hands on you.

15Be diligent in these matters; give yourself wholly to them, so that everyone may see your progress. 16Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.

1 Peter 2:12

12 Keep your conduct among the Gentiles honorable, so that when they speak against you as evildoers, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day of visitation.

Matthew 5:14-16

14"You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden. 15Nor do people light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house. 16In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.

Simply put, marky is commanded to live his live so that he is seen as an example of all that Christ commands. naturally, no one is perfect, so all will fall short of the mark....but the true picture of one's heart, known to God, will show through in their actions. Someone can claim all they want to be something, but unless their heart is truly in it, they are not what they claim. And by the same measure, if your heart is not truly in something, you will not do all that is required to be that. Marky can say all he wants that he is chosen, that we will all bow at his feet, etc etc etc ad nauseum, but none of that will make it happen. He has to have it in his heart to obey and live his life as that example. Based solely on his actions, I cannot agree with his assessment. No one who lives as that example could go this far off the track, and so often.

What is the purpose of warning others that they are on the wrong path when you yourself are not providing a good example of the correct path? When God commanded the chosen ones to reach out, didnt He fully instruct and intend for those chosen to use their lives as an example?

ok, what? Ok, youre going to hold yourself accountable, or ok, you will only do so when you choose to, rather than all the time as the bible instructs?

some of it? Which parts? The threats? The lies? Wishing people death or harm? Applauding when disaster strikes? rampant accusations without having even a questionable shred of proof?

Which parts?


what part of that relates to the impossibility of any of jesus' bones ever being found ?

really, twist that around to point at THAT topic, yzf's inability to conform to your understanding of a book that isn't even the SAME book that he uses does not seem way applicable..

unless you are going for "he is unable to correctly read his book, as demonstrated by his actions, so his understanding that they CANNOT be the bones of jesus is fundamentally flawed and so is not enough by itself to be conclusive."

???

jon, you love to point fingers at me, it's your obsession

but you always avoid this question: do YOU, yes, YOU...claim to follow Christ?

no side tracks, no finger pointing...answer the question

I claim to accept Christ as my savior.

YOU, however, claim to be the one that we will all bow to.

There is nothing whatsoever inherently similar about those two things.

I believe that Jesus died for our sins, and that His action makes it possible for mankind to have hope. You believe that Jesus died for our sins, and because of it, you can be the worlds largest phallic life form and get away with it. Sadly, the bible does not echo your sentiment.

I have never once had a problem admitting that I fall far short. We all do. But the simple fact is that every person falls far short, but you go intentionally looking to fall further short than the average bear because you think youre covered. That is not the teaching of the bible. God never once said "break my rules as much as you like, it will be ok".

Here's a serious question--where do you get off thinking that the commandments were optional for you?

here's another--how is it that you came to believe that you can act in ways far more despicable than anyone else in here with such hate in your heart, and still think that all will bow at your feet? Answer that one.

what part of that relates to the impossibility of any of jesus' bones ever being found ?

really, twist that around to point at THAT topic, yzf's inability to conform to your understanding of a book that isn't even the SAME book that he uses does not seem way applicable..

unless you are going for "he is unable to correctly read his book, as demonstrated by his actions, so his understanding that they CANNOT be the bones of jesus is fundamentally flawed and so is not enough by itself to be conclusive."

???

what I said did not once refer to the bones. Not sure where you are trying to go with that.

then when are you going to start acting like it, REGARDLESS of what I do? huh?

listen to you--you dont know me! you dont know what I do, how I act! You dont know shit! All you know is that youre a bitter person and it rubs everyone the wrong way! And you get off on it. And nothing you say changes the facts here. The fact is that I NEVER try to pawn off blame onto you for my responsibilities or shortcomings. Those are mine alone. I NEVER had a problem admitting it or taking responsibility for it. NEVER. But you ALWAYS did and still do!

Acting like it?? how would you propose I act like it? By acting like you? SHOW PEOPLE WITH YOUR LIFE HOW THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO ACT--remember, YOURE CHOSEN, right? YOU were supposedly put here to show people like me HOW TO LIVE. People dont have the answers. The "chosen" were put here to TEACH THOSE ANSWERS. Isnt that what you claim to be? Yet you dont teach anything. You recite scripture as a means to boost your ego. You quote verses in a vain attempt to be right FOR YOURSELF, for your EGO.

Dont come in here and act the way you do, all the while telling me that "the chosen ones are covered for their sins" and then pull this shit. You seriously have said that your sin doesnt matter because no matter what you do its instantly gone. But EVERYONE ELSE HERE is supposed to bow at your feet? Worship you? THAT IS WHAT YOU SAY. you are "chosen" right?? THEN WE ARE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW YOUR EXAMPLE, ACCORDING TO GOD. Thats what being chosen MEANS, is it not? That you lead the way? That you show people to the gate? That you spread Gods good news? You dont like my attitude? ATTITUDE REFLECTS LEADERSHIP. What kind of a leader are YOU BEING for Christ? I am sure that he especially took a liking to your unprovoked comments earlier when you insulted my family.....and you wonder why no one likes you??

I don't "hate people", I hate error...sometimes that comes out as hatred of people, but I could have a beer with anyone here and have no hate whatsoever

one word for that--

BULLSHIT

You dont hate error--YOU LIVE IN ERROR. You constantly go so far over the lines that no one else here even thinks of saying the shit you say. You hate error? HOW? By telling someone you want them dead? By pissing on your brother's wedding picture? By blaming your sins on someone else? By threatening to kick everyone's ass here?

What error authorized your statements earlier when you called my wife a fucking prostitute? YOURS. What error prompts you to knowingly make 100% completely unfounded statements about my marriage? YOURS. Are you getting any of this yet? What error prompted you to think you had any authority or right to find joy when a hurricane took everything we owned? YOURS....what error prompts you to act so much worse than anyone else here, even those whom you insist are bound right for hell?? YOURS.

When will you wake up?? YOU CANNOT HATE ERROR IN ANYONE ELSE, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, UNTIL YOU ADDRESS ERROR IN YOURSELF. If you are willing to commit a sin daily and make every excuse, even to say that the bible allows it(!), then who are you to tell me about error? Sure, we all sin, but you have a special perverse pride in it--you actually go looking for it. As much as I have posted to you, I havent done half as much as you think I have. Remember when you claimed I looked up your DMV records?? Proven that you posted the info instead. how about when you claimed I looked up your family? Then you learned that they came to me.....but YOU, marky, you HAVE done all that is claimed. And you continue to do it all today. FOR WHAT--because you hate error? You hate error, so you go further into that error than anyone else here??

I am not someone who likes the thought of a fistfight, but I promise you, if you EVER make that kind of statement about my wife or family in front of me, you'll be drinking that beer through an IV for a while. That isnt a threat--its a promise. You have NO RIGHT to cross the lines you do, lines that no one else here crosses even to you. You dont like me? Cool. Bring it to me. Dont even think you have any business mentioning my wife. As for this divorce bullshit, the next time you even dream of posting that in a public forum about me, you're getting your ass charged with slander. I happen to do business with people who frequent this forum as well as the 7 club. And when you knowingly post false shit about who I am, it affects that. Grow the fuck up, marky.

you're officially on ignore again, I'm done

I knew you couldnt take the consequences of your actions....way to fail on that one, Mr. "chosen".

what I said did not once refer to the bones. Not sure where you are trying to go with that.

Surprised there's no thread about the "found tomb" on here.

it just seemed to me that there might be SOME connection to jesus' bones, or his tomb, or something other than yzf's moral stance in your post.

I couldn't see one so I made one up and asked to see if I was close.

it just seemed to me that there might be SOME connection to jesus' bones, or his tomb, or something other than yzf's moral stance in your post.

I couldn't see one so I made one up and asked to see if I was close.

If I ever were as bored as you apparently are, I could easily do a search or two and find more than enough threads in here where your posts do not match the original conversation. Dare me to look?

That being the case, what exactly is your point? That its cool for you to go wherever you feel like, but not someone else? Sorry, we dont need any more hypocrites in this section, thanks for playing.

If I ever were as bored as you apparently are, I could easily do a search or two and find more than enough threads in here where your posts do not match the original conversation. Dare me to look?

feel free :bigthumb:

as a rule every post I do is related to the topic at hand, however obliquely.

you will definitly see me go off on tangents, but those tangents DO connect to the topic and are not intended purely to annoy or distract from the topic.


That being the case, what exactly is your point? That its cool for you to go wherever you feel like, but not someone else? Sorry, we dont need any more hypocrites in this section, thanks for playing.

I would cheerfully match my proportion of totally offtopic posts against your even vaguely ontopic posts, since it appears that the ONLY thread in which any of your posts WOULD be ontopic would be "yzf is a sucky christian."


I wonder if the purported skull of jesus has any cavities in its teeth, a con man would need to be able to flash a set of pearly whites to impress the rubes with his divinity.

I seem to have lost the passion to debate or to post anything fresh in the religion section, for the thread will certainly be saturated with endless ranting of off topic conversations. But I do like to read what honegod has to say from time to time.

in terms of endless ranting, you know who to blame: psycho jonnie

he's back on ignore for me, and he'll remain that way

oh, you put me on 'ignore'....that sure does explain the PMs now doesnt it? Last time I checked, ignoring someone was not only something you do when everyone's looking, you ass. keep on lying to yourself....and let me know how far it gets you in the end.

ahhhhh....so nice not to have to read the rants

maybe if you say that enough times you will start to believe it.

jon, you love to point fingers at me, it's your obsession

but you always avoid this question: do YOU, yes, YOU...claim to follow Christ?

no side tracks, no finger pointing...answer the question

Nobody points their finger more than you, Mark.


then when are you going to start acting like it, REGARDLESS of what I do? huh?

And where, oh where, is Jimlab with his irony meter on that one???

I don't "hate people", I hate error...sometimes that comes out as hatred of people, but I could have a beer with anyone here and have no hate whatsoever

Ahh, so you don't want Jon to get cancer and die, you want his error to get cancer and die, so that Jon can live a perfect, healthy life???

complete garbage

I never assign blame to others for MY actions....psycho jonnie makes a living out of it

right...never assigns blame to others for his actions....two examples stand out immediately in my mind.

1--the ever-present "but they did it to me first" bullshit
2--the time not too many moons ago when markyu proclaimed on this forum that I was "90% to blame" for the way he acts.

If I took the time to search, I have no doubt I would find plenty more.

ignored

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only a complete dipshit like you claims to ignore someone, then talk about them constantly, comment like this, and even go to PMs....youre a dishonest loser.

I'm pretending that I am ignoring you just because I cannot handle your posts. I have nothing better to say, and I cannot be honest about my shit, so I will instead play this game of acting like youre being ignored. But--I will still talk about you every chance I get and still reply with "ignored".....as well as PM you. just as long as people 'think' I really did put you on ignore, thats good enough.

there,fixed.

http://www.lynxxx.nl/barco/images/britney.jpg

if jon can't get me irritated, I think his meaning for life goes away...seriously

proof positive that you dont get paid to think.

Besides, youre "ignoring" me, remember? So why do you feel the need to mention my name all the time? You bring me up to others in conversations that I am not even a part of!

But thats ok....you run along and play your little game, shitferbrains. Your MO--when you have nothing left, pussy out. Not surprising.

on a lighter note, you havent seen irritated yet, fucker.