http://www.citizenlink.org/clcommentary/A000003061.cfm


"No matter what, you can overcome your past," he said. "With help, if you look to God, you can overcome your past and be reborn."

Hmm. That's an interesting quote. You may be wondering who said it. Sounds like it would be from a prominent evangelical leader, or maybe someone with a powerful testimony, or perhaps a youth pastor hoping to break through to a crowded room of young people.

Or, would you believe, Rocky Balboa?

Or, to be more accurate, Sylvester Stallone, the actor who created and starred in the iconic series of films about the down-and-out boxer who became the heavyweight champion of the world — several times over several movies.

Stallone spoke of being reborn in a teleconference with pastors and religious leaders concerning the faith elements of the unlikely sixth movie that's due out Dec. 22.

And, OK, I'll admit, it's my personal favorite series of movies. Except, perhaps for that fifth one that never should have been made. Yes, I own the DVD boxed set. And now I'll have to buy a new one when the sixth — and theoretically final — film gets added.

And, yes, when I dialed in, I was skeptical. Alright, I'll admit, I laughed out loud when I learned that the film was being marketed to the "faith and values" crowd. I believe my exact words were, "I'm not believin' this!"

But then I listened in.

Please know the reason I'm such a fan of the Rocky films is not just because they are about an underdog who gets a million-to-one shot at the title. I'm not even a boxing fan. But I love stories about redemption.

Stallone reminded those of us on the call that the opening shot of the original film is of a painting of Jesus looking down on Rocky in the boxing ring in a rundown gym. And no, I didn't have to go back to verify that, I already knew. But, I've long wondered why he chose to open with that. I never guessed Stallone himself would explain it to me, but this week he did — oh, and to everybody else on the call.

He first explained that he felt compelled to write the first film, and he believes that drive came from above. He said the character of Rocky was meant to reflect the characteristic nature of Jesus.

"It's like he was being chosen, Jesus was over him, and he was going to be the fella that would live through the example of Christ," Stallone said. "He's very, very forgiving. There's no bitterness in him. He always turns the other cheek. And it's like his whole life was about service."

But, Stallone confessed, his own life didn't follow the humble example of the boxer who made him a Hollywood star.

"I was raised in a Catholic home, a Christian home, and I went to Catholic schools and I was taught the faith and went as far as I could with it," he said. "Until one day, you know, I got out in the so-called real world and I was presented with temptation. I kinda like lost my way and made a lot of bad choices."

No joke, said all the subscribers to People magazine.

But, Stallone added, he's been going through a change in his life. He's realized that he was wrong to place his career and fame ahead of his family.

"The more I go to church," he said, "and the more I turn myself over to the process of believing in Jesus and listening to His Word and having Him guide my hand, I feel as though the pressure is off me now."

And, admitting that the analogy might be a little pedestrian, he made a correlation between physical and spiritual fitness.

"You need to have the expertise and the guidance of someone else. You cannot train yourself," he said. "I feel the same way about Christianity and about what the church is: The church is the gym of the soul."

And, he said, his life experiences are what allowed him to write the final chapter of the epic series.

"I needed to actually go through my trials and tribulations," he said, "before I could be man enough to know how to write that kind of story that Rocky Balboa is."

So, as someone who began listening on the call as a giggling skeptic, and who does not expect Rocky Balboa to be heralded as a Christian film, I have to confess I was won over by the real-life story of redemption I heard.

So, what's next for Stallone?

I can only imagine Rambo sneaking into Burma to free Christian missionaries who are being held by militants. And as the invincible one-man army looks into the eyes of the ordinary folks from Oklahoma and South Carolina who are risking their lives for the Gospel, he is swept up by their commitment.

Oh, wait.

I'm. Not. Kidding.

"It rekindles something in him. He doesn't believe at first, he's seen too much. He's bitter. But when he meets these people and looks into their eyes, he's swept up in it, and literally he's just taken on this journey," Stallone said. "He's a Christian warrior! Can you believe it?"

I'm believin' it.

FOR MORE INFORMATION:
If you're curious about the film, you can find more information at www.rockyresources.com

another Mel Gibson esque "conversion"?

"rocky" soil (no pun intended)....no longevity

judge not, lest you yourself be judged......

Imagine that--in the war for souls, God wins one, and even then all you can do is pass judgemnt and complain.....

pardon me, but that is not your decision to make by any stretch, now is it?

You should spend more time out there actually doing God's work instead of scoffing at it in here. You might just learn something. Whether or not the guy is for real will only be known to God, so how about you actually follow the Good Book like you always claim to??

if he really has made a "Christian" rocky film, his credibility is immediately shot with me

NEWS FLASH--

Having credibility with YOU is not what anyone who is seeking God would be after. Just a thought.

any "Christian" seeking to get rich off the gospel/Bible has no credibility with anyone, including God

and that inlcudes the "left behind" guy

You sure arent very smart for a college-educated guy, are you??

"to get rich"??

Between you and me, Stallone already has millions of dollars--he doesnt need this movie to "get rich". For all we know, the money from this movie may end up going to a good cause. Maybe, maybe not. But in either case, you have no place trying to judge anyone like this. The Bible is utterly clear on that. No matter what happens to the money, you are still not in any position to try to tell anyone what is in someone's heart. Like I said, God wins one, and even then all you do is try to judge. Here's an idea--why not leave that to GOD?? After all, that's what the Bible says, no??

Next Rocky Film

http://www.watchermagazine.com/wp-content/wp-photos/RockyXXXVIII.jpg

see? I knew sly was too pussy to be a boxer IRL.

im thinking yer right. The first rocky is quality. I give him props for that.

ha

the movie will tank, anyway....this is a moot discussion

I like how it is suddenly a moot discussion just because you messed up and got called on it.

I dont think that this one would tank either--the rocky movies are only among the most successful ever....good call, oh judgmental one....

rambo versus the Antichrist ?

the antichrist IS supposed to be successfully whacked, and miraculously return to life as proof of his divinity.

who better to insure that he is well and truely deceased than a John Rambo, eyes blazing with christian zeal ?

so pardon me if I remain extremely skeptical of these hollywood "conversions",

What about these?:

http://www.atlantachristianweb.com/celeb_features/main.asp


as I was with Gibson and his terrible movie, which misses the entire message of the gospel

Care to explain this?

:rolleyes:

yeah jon, "you called me out"....or maybe you just made a post expressing your opinion


um, wrong again sparky....I called you on your behavior that does not even come close to matching your supposed doctrine. You claim to follow the Bible, yet at every turn we see you consistently doing the opposite of what the Bible says. That is not an opinion, Mr. Wizard--anyone who can read knows that the Bible tells you not to judge, but you do it daily. This, my friend, is what is known as a FACT. Get used to the concept.

What about these?:

http://www.atlantachristianweb.com/celeb_features/main.asp




Care to explain this?

What yzf fails to realize here is that this is the result of someone PLANTING A SEED. Whether or not Stallone sticks it out for the long haul, no one knows, but then again that is equally true of ANYONE. But someone who is faithful PLANTED A SEED. That should be reason to be HAPPY. Like I said, this is the war for souls, and this means that someone out there is doing God's work. That is reason to be happy, yet ol' bitterness himself over there cant do anything but judge anyways. Someone planted a seed---no one will ever be able to tell how tall the tree will grow from that. BUT THAT IS NOT THE CHRISTIAN'S JOB. The Christian's job is to PLANT THE SEED.....and let GOD do the rest.

So you see marky, you need to reevaluate your position here. Rather than being so bitter all the time, why dont you actually live by the doctrine you claim to have chosen? Sure, the guy has money, but that doesnt mean anything--how many poor people are likewise in the dark as well? People separate themselves from Christ in all sorts of ways, and money is just one of them.

That is not an opinion, Mr. Wizard--anyone who can read knows that the Bible tells you not to judge, but you do it daily. This, my friend, is what is known as a FACT. Get used to the concept.

Come on Skydivr, you know better than this. The Bible teaches about 2 forms of judging and 1 of them is acceptable. While it is wrong to deem ourselves better than another, it is acceptable to judge something sinful when it meets the biblical definition of sin. So is it wrong for YZF to be skeptical? No, he's perfectly OK there. It however would be wrong for YZF to come to the conclusion that he's a better Christian than Stallone. YZF has no knowledge of Stallone's salvation.

The truth of Stallone's conversion will yield fruit.

Skydivr, are you born again?

no, he isn't....jon talks alot about stuff he doesn't understand...he's much better at posting sexually perverse stuff in "smacktalk"

I never said I was a "better Christian" than Stallone, I said I am skeptical about "conversions" of people who have basically lived a pagan lifestyle for decades while embracing catholic doctrines

I didn't mean to intend that you did, I was just making a disctinction between acceptable and unacceptable judgement and using your name since he referred to you. No offense meant.

I was genuinely excited about "Passion of the Christ" before I saw it

afterwards, all I remember was some guy getting bludgeoned to death by Roman soldiers and some weird guy running around that I guess was supposed to be the devil...I kind of felt sick walking out the theater, but completely unmoved emotionally or spiritually

the movie completely missed the true gospel: the glory of Christ with the Father, that He is GOD, Who existed before all things, and is the Creator

it also missed the relationships He had with His disciples, the life He lived, the miracles, the compassion for people, the early mornings wrestling in prayer...and most of all, it missed the resurrection, the ascention to heaven, and the glory Christ now has again with the Father...it missed the Christ of the BIBLE, the Christ I know, and substituted a gory bloodbath with some catholic dogmas....no doubt the crucifixion was that brutal, if not more so, but that is only one part of the gospel...lots of people were crucified....only One was God in the flesh


I agree with you on the passion of christ movie. But christ wasnt god. Christ is someone who had a lot of balls, resulting in getting the wrong (or right) people pissed off. Truely, Christ returned to us again. But only in his name. And this we can all be grateful for.

Come on Skydivr, you know better than this. The Bible teaches about 2 forms of judging and 1 of them is acceptable. While it is wrong to deem ourselves better than another, it is acceptable to judge something sinful when it meets the biblical definition of sin. So is it wrong for YZF to be skeptical? No, he's perfectly OK there. It however would be wrong for YZF to come to the conclusion that he's a better Christian than Stallone. YZF has no knowledge of Stallone's salvation.

The truth of Stallone's conversion will yield fruit.

Skydivr, are you born again?

I know better???? YOU should know better. you mention two kinds of judging, and you should easily be smart enough to notice that yzf does both kinds. the entire point I made was that he is so busy trying to pass judgement that he is not out there planting those seeds himself--he would rather be in here talking about how so-and-so is a worthless piece of shit. THAT was the point. And YOU should know better. We all see it every time he posts it. So, why not do the God-instructed thing and call a spade a spade instead of making such an excuse for him?

And, while he never said he was a better christian than Stallone, he routinely talks in here abotu how much better he is than everyone else. Dont even pretend you were not aware of this. Also, show me where I once ever stated that he did say that he was a better christian than Stallone--let me know when you find it. In the meantime, while you go looking for something that was never said, the rest of us already know the obvious truth about how Mark judges others.

You say that judging something sinful is acceptable--tell me, how is it acceptable to try to judge sin like this??

you and jon were made for eachother....find the nearest out-house in Lousiana and go at it

you demonic asshole from hell

fuck you, jon....I hate you with intense passion and I seriously hope you die of cancer

Here is a jewel....

http://www.theforumlounge.com/showthread.php?p=104521&highlight=shit#post104521

what do bench, little punk?

just fyi, I work out 5x a week, bench 320, curl 135 for reps, and barbell row with 225 for reps

you're an insignificant piece of dog shit to me

retard....pervert....loser....piece of dog shit

psycho jonnie is nothing more than a worthless piece of dog shit that collects Thunderbirds in Louisiana

Judging sin is one thing--but is this a judgment of sin, or just a judgment because others dont share his opinions??

wrong....the problem is I'm dealing with fools who lack any and all discernment

you and your buddy farkas are likely redneck idiots

Finally, just in case you STILL didnt get the facts here, just for you:

http://www.theforumlounge.com/showthread.php?p=95836&highlight=surrounded#post95836

I'm the eagle, temporarily surrounded by turkeys

http://www.theforumlounge.com/showpost.php?p=75576&postcount=364

I'm surrounded by assholes....there are already legions of them on this forum

put me in a mac truck and line these jerks up in the street

DO let me know when I get to the part where he is just judging sin, mmkay???

His reputation speaks for itself. No matter how much of a jackass I can be, even I have not stooped to the depths that he goes to. In any event, judging someone's action as a sin while sinning yourself is absolutely the purest form of hypocrisy there is. So, rather than spur him on like this, perhaps you should be reminding him about the speck and the plank.....

Now that we have that all cleared up, this is pathetic. A known sinner proclaims that he realizes how he's been living all wrong and says that he has found God. is there ANY REASON IMAGINABLE why that is a bad thing? Even if it is not going to last, isnt that at the very least a public statement that might reach someone else and spur them on to look for God?? Like I said, it's called PLANTING A SEED. And I suspect that God would be much happier if ol' Marky tried planting a few seed himself instead of bitching all the time. Mark has no connection with Stallone, yet instantly he thinks he has the ability, the authority, or even the right to determine the level of sincerity this man possesses? You have got to be joking.....

no, he isn't....jon talks alot about stuff he doesn't understand...he's much better at posting sexually perverse stuff in "smacktalk"

1-Marky--you dont know me for nothing, so do yourself a favor--dont even pretend that you have any business telling other people what I am and what I am not. you cant even tell the truth about yourself, so give it a rest, sport.

2--you have no place to complain about perverse anything when you tell two dudes to get into an outhouse and go for it. Perverse?? Pot meet kettle, champ.

:bigthumb:

Christ is God

John 1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.

Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.

with all due respect. i think we are waiting for someone name Word to show up.

get outta here, jon...I'm not reading your claptrap...post that junk in "smacktalk"

you ARE PERVERSE....you post blasphemous sexual innuendo with references to the Bible!!

Are you trying to tell us that the Bible has nothing sexual in it???
The Song of Solomon is the most most sexual book in the bible, and is one of the greatest love stories ever told.....

But then again you would rather lust after a motorcycle...


or only about $2k more you can own a new YZF-R1....and be on your way to 185 mph in style

10x sexier as well

I was genuinely excited about "Passion of the Christ" before I saw it

afterwards, all I remember was some guy getting bludgeoned to death by Roman soldiers and some weird guy running around that I guess was supposed to be the devil...I kind of felt sick walking out the theater, but completely unmoved emotionally or spiritually



the movie completely missed the true gospel: the glory of Christ with the Father, that He is GOD, Who existed before all things, and is the Creator

it also missed the relationships He had with His disciples, the life He lived, the miracles, the compassion for people, the early mornings wrestling in prayer...and most of all, it missed the resurrection, the ascention to heaven, and the glory Christ now has again with the Father...it missed the Christ of the BIBLE, the Christ I know, and substituted a gory bloodbath with some catholic dogmas....no doubt the crucifixion was that brutal, if not more so, but that is only one part of the gospel...lots of people were crucified....only One was God in the flesh


Obviously , with your limited mindset, you have no clue on what a "Passion play" is.....you should get educated. If you knew what it meant then you would not have an unrealistic expectation like you did.

Here is a wiki for ya. Read and learn ...quit your griping.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passion_play

As for your other statements...I would love to hear your interpretation on what Christs true message was...

since when does sex automatically = perversion??

you're another product of warped society...you think just like them

I never said that that...can't you read???...or better yet comprehend? Quit being stupid.
Guess the only perversion going on here is your interpretation of the Word.

And your personal attack should be in smacktalk...what you have nothing better to say then to personally attack me and call me warped?

Come on I really want to know what you think is Christ's true message?

All I here from you is calling people warped and perverse....
Come on, enough with that.....

Cant even comment about the "Passion Play" and how you really missed the point there...

And for the third time
Please!!!
Tell me what you think Christ's message is!!!!! Buck up and be a witness!

Christ's message can be summed up in one line:

if you love Me, you will obey my commandments

it's not world peace, it's not "tolerance", it's not nuggets of wisdom...it's all about obedience, just as he obeyed the Father and sacrificed Himself for those predestined for salvation

OK, good we have a start here, so what do you see as his commandments. Are they the 10 commandments or are there others as well?

get outta here, jon...I'm not reading your claptrap...post that junk in "smacktalk"

you ARE PERVERSE....you post blasphemous sexual innuendo with references to the Bible!!

1--the majority of that was not even posted to you, so dont read it for all I care. Then again, we've all seen how you "dont read my posts".....:blah:

2--you dont have any business telling anyone to get out of anywhere. Get used to disappointment.

3--when you can own up to your actions and your perverse nature, then its a good bet that your comments about others might actually mean something. until then, stop pissing into the wind.

4--save it for smacktalk?? Why? Half of those quotes from you were pulled out of THIS section....

Christ's message can be summed up in one line:

if you love Me, you will obey my commandments

it's not world peace, it's not "tolerance", it's not nuggets of wisdom...it's all about obedience, just as he obeyed the Father and sacrificed Himself for those predestined for salvation

FANTASTIC!!!!!

So, when do you think you're gonna plan on starting to obey them??? I mean, since you dont obey them at all now, that is...

Christ's message can be summed up in one line:

if you love Me, you will obey my commandments

it's not world peace, it's not "tolerance", it's not nuggets of wisdom...it's all about obedience, just as he obeyed the Father and sacrificed Himself for those predestined for salvation



Well I would like to state for everyone, what YZF has said is true, but is only a small portion of Christ’s true message. Hopefully I can help him with my understanding of Christ so that yzf may see what I believe is Christ’s message.

Christ’s central message was of love, forgiveness, and to work on your own sin.

Now how simple is that?

YZF, I cant even get a straight answer from you without asking three times, and yet your answer still does not make in sense entirely…I hope you can start clearing your head on this.

Yzf wants you to believe that only to obey His commandments will you be in Christ…(Is this another salvation by works? Isn’t to “obey” an effort in itself?) Don’t do, just be….I know that that sounds Zen like, but truth is truth.

It has been stated that tolerance is a bad thing, but tolerance is part of forgiveness. Almost all of you have seen “John 3:16”, but how many of you have read John 3:17? Or can quote it (I can’t, so don’t think that I’m a thumper or a good student.)

John 3:17
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

How is he saving us? Forgiveness, plain and simple. Christ has shown forgiveness thru tolerance on several occasions in the bible, one for instance was the woman that was brought before him for adultery, and the quote of ‘casting stones’, and last of His sacrifice on the cross. Yes, he tolerated the Romans on the cross; if he didn’t then he would have just pulled himself down.

I would really want to challenge everyone (not just YZF) just to make a start with this passage:

1 Peter 3:15
But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect

Too much judgment, condemnation, and that garbage go on here….
Heck even this forum has this rule against this, which so many of us are forgetting.
Now I am almost going to bet that YZF is going to spew out something on how I have it wrong, but I know what he has to say is only a small portion of what the Truth is…..so I can start to forgive him now.

you won't help me understand anything...because you're a seriously confused individual

wrong, wrong, WRONG....typical new-agey, Benny Hinn, "Purpose Driven Life" type response

Christ's message was "apart from Me you can do NOTHING", it was NEVER "work on your sin"...human beings CAN'T 'work on their sin', because they don't have the spiritual reseources within themselves to do so (in the flesh)

Jesus also said I came not to bring peace but a sword...to turn a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law...the gospel is inherently divisive, it is confrontational, it is hard to believe....it isn't about "love and peace" or a mr. rogers view of God and the world

you can't get a striaght answer because your hopelessly confused mind doesn't respond to the truth, it responds to your secular view of "Christianity"

I thought you were done posting here? I don't miss your liberal theology one bit

don't flatter yourself, you're a nauseating self righteous little kid

You know, thats all you can do is personnally attack when you dont have anything valid to say.
You use words like liberal, Mr Rogers, Benny Hinn, new age....not a valid argument or case for anything. So sad, because I am none of them, Benny makes me sick, and Mr Rogers, well he does have good values.

But all you can do is personally attack when someone doesn't agree with your narrow brand of the Truth.

I personally did consider not posting here, but then I got to thinking that that would be so sad that people would only hear what your brand of the Truth is...which is only a small, small , small portion of what Christ is about.

I do wish you well YZF, and will work on my sins, and will tolerate yours.
Forgiveness!

you won't help me understand anything...because you're a seriously confused individual

this coming from the guy that claims he is one of the ones chosen to "seek and save the lost" for God....if someone doesnt understand, isnt it supposed to be your mission to help them??

wrong, wrong, WRONG....typical new-agey, Benny Hinn, "Purpose Driven Life" type response

Christ's message was "apart from Me you can do NOTHING", it was NEVER "work on your sin"...human beings CAN'T 'work on their sin', because they don't have the spiritual reseources within themselves to do so (in the flesh)

ah,but we DO have resources in Christ to work on that sin, and that is exactly what we are supposed to do according to the Bible. Lest you forgot:

JAMES 5:16--

Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.

Shouldnt we all want to be healed?? hmmm.....

And again, I bring the example of an alcoholic that learns to stay out of the bottle--when you say that someone cannot work on their sin, you are proven wrong by every such person. Now, they obviously did not do it alone, but they DID work on their sin, with results.

Jesus also said I came not to bring peace but a sword...to turn a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law...the gospel is inherently divisive, it is confrontational, it is hard to believe....it isn't about "love and peace" or a mr. rogers view of God and the world

A true believer would make that belief evident in his daily life, not just by words from his mouth.

you can't get a striaght answer because your hopelessly confused mind doesn't respond to the truth, it responds to your secular view of "Christianity"

While you may have the scripture quote right when Jesus said he came to bring a sword, there are tons of scripture examples where the faithful show COMPASSION and HUMILITY when reaching out those who are lost, even to someone as lost as Saul was that he rejoiced in killing Christians.....compare that example from the scripture to your example of belittling and insulting everyone who doesnt repeat your exact take on life verbatim.....and then tell us what's wrong with that picture.


don't flatter yourself, you're a nauseating self righteous little kid

wow, look at that, yet another insulting judgment from the guy that thinks he is only judging sin.....hmmmm.....what a shocker....

maybe if your treated me with a hint of respect instead of calling me stupid and dimwit in every post, I might reciprocate

think about it....TAKE A LOOK IN THE MIRROR YOU SELF RIGHTEOUS KID

respect is earned...if you want some that badly, there is a fairly easy way to get some....

maybe if your treated me with a hint of respect instead of calling me stupid and dimwit in every post, I might reciprocate

think about it....TAKE A LOOK IN THE MIRROR YOU SELF RIGHTEOUS KID

Thats all you have? Self Righteous Kid? Ouch that hurts. You got me there.

he obeyed the Father and sacrificed Himself for those predestined for salvation

this would clearly be one of those things that god has to put his holy blinders on people so they won't notice how insane it is.

yes, insane.
divorced from reality.

not to give doomed humanity another chance to escape gods hate, but merely as another demonstration of gods hate to those god has {s}elected for his "forgiveness" for a "sin" nobody ever committed.

And, while he never said he was a better christian than Stallone, he routinely talks in here abotu how much better he is than everyone else. Dont even pretend you were not aware of this. Also, show me where I once ever stated that he did say that he was a better christian than Stallone--let me know when you find it.

Surely YZF has said some things that shouldn't have been said. If I recall correctly, I believe he's apologized. If he hasn't, he should. If you are a Christian, you have to move on. The TRUTH is, is that you 2 have a problem that if you are both followers of Christ, should not be. I ask again, are you born again? I encourage the both of you to stop throwing stones.


DO let me know when I get to the part where he is just judging sin, mmkay???

His reputation speaks for itself. No matter how much of a jackass I can be, even I have not stooped to the depths that he goes to.

Is that so? Never once in your life? Not even in your thoughts? Remember, we all will be judged by our thoughts as well as our actions. We're all filthy here. We all sin. What's the difference? Some are forgiven and some are not. Righteousness has been imputed to me. Despite the fact that I screw up, Christ lives within me. I will pass through judgement "not quiltly" by the righteousness of Christ. By him awarding me un-merited favor that I could in no way ever deserve or earn.

Let me address the both of you. Ask yourselves this, does my current attitude/words against my earthly brother correllate to a beating that Christ endured? The obvious answer is yes. Should you continue in this way? No.


In any event, judging someone's action as a sin while sinning yourself is absolutely the purest form of hypocrisy there is. So, rather than spur him on like this, perhaps you should be reminding him about the speck and the plank.....

Now that we have that all cleared up, this is pathetic. A known sinner proclaims that he realizes how he's been living all wrong and says that he has found God. is there ANY REASON IMAGINABLE why that is a bad thing? Even if it is not going to last, isnt that at the very least a public statement that might reach someone else and spur them on to look for God??

Good point.


Like I said, it's called PLANTING A SEED. And I suspect that God would be much happier if ol' Marky tried planting a few seed himself instead of bitching all the time. Mark has no connection with Stallone, yet instantly he thinks he has the ability, the authority, or even the right to determine the level of sincerity this man possesses? You have got to be joking.....

YZF is the king of planting seeds in this forum. He may also be the king of sticking his foot in his mouth. Overzealous, sure. He's just like Peter. It's a good thing we all discuss topics over the net instead of in person, cause there'd be a pile of ears on the floor. This is in no way a justification, but the guy knows and applies scripture to whatever the topic is.

Surely YZF has said some things that shouldn't have been said. If I recall correctly, I believe he's apologized. If he hasn't, he should. If you are a Christian, you have to move on. The TRUTH is, is that you 2 have a problem that if you are both followers of Christ, should not be. I ask again, are you born again? I encourage the both of you to stop throwing stones.

An apology is worthless when it:

1--is not even sincere
2--doesnt mean enough to the person saying it for him to stop the offensive behavior

He apologized once to me. It took him less than a day to continue the same bullshit that he supposedly apologized for. And that was one time, to me.....to this day, he is still in denial about his actions towards many others. You and I both know that someone doing that same thing to God is useless, so why should any person consider it worth anything??

Is that so? Never once in your life? Not even in your thoughts? Remember, we all will be judged by our thoughts as well as our actions. We're all filthy here. We all sin. What's the difference? Some are forgiven and some are not. Righteousness has been imputed to me. Despite the fact that I screw up, Christ lives within me. I will pass through judgement "not quiltly" by the righteousness of Christ. By him awarding me un-merited favor that I could in no way ever deserve or earn.

you're damn right that's so. I NEVER wished cancer on someone, NEVER applauded when someone suffered a great loss, and NEVER wished more of the same on them. That is beyond human nature--it is simply disgusting. So sorry if you dont like it, but one apology that he didnt even give a shit enough to honor for 24 hours does not give him the right to be an even bigger prick because of it. For ANYONE that claims to be with God to wish suffering on ANY person, there is a problem. THAT IS SIMPLE FACT. God teaches compassion--Jesus even taught to love and pray for your enemies....he did NOT teach you to pray for people to be killed or to wish such suffering upon them. For you to say that this guy plants seeds everywhere?? YOU ARE SERIOUSLY MISINFORMED. Planting a seed happens NOT by what you say to someone, but HOW YOU LIVE. God taught the faithful to LET YOUR LIFE BE YOUR DOCTRINE. God intended for the faithful to plant seeds by SHOWING others what life with Christ was like through their lives, NOT to say one thing and do the opposite. Marky is a hypocrite, that is not planting a seed. Anyone can say "Jesus saves", etc etc etc, but SHOWING PEOPLE THE WAY TO GOD is what saves, not just saying the words! If that were the case, then we would not need anyone to witness or to reach out--all God would need is a printing company and He would make up all those bumper stickers we see everywhere. How often do we see "Jesus Saves", "God is my co-pilot", and "WWJD" plastered all over?? SIMPLY SAYING THE WORDS IS A FRUITLESS WASTE OF TIME WHEN YOUR OWN EXAMPLE OF LIFE THAT YOU SHOW TO OTHERS COMPLETELY CONTRADICTS THOSE WORDS.

Lest you forget, The Bible talks about how many will come preaching in the name of the Lord, but their actions will NOT MATCH. The bible calls these FALSE PROPHETS. That is all I need to know to see whether or not yzf plants the right kind of seeds, thank you very much. When the Bible itself disagrees with your assessment, there is nowhere for you to go with it.

YZF is the king of planting seeds in this forum. He may also be the king of sticking his foot in his mouth. Overzealous, sure. He's just like Peter. It's a good thing we all discuss topics over the net instead of in person, cause there'd be a pile of ears on the floor. This is in no way a justification, but the guy knows and applies scripture to whatever the topic is.

How wrong you are....

Peter made a lot of mistakes. BUT--he then faced up to them. At first, when Jesus was crucified, Peter denied Jesus out of fear for his own life. Then, he repented, and did a complete 180. Marky sins, tries to hide that sin from his church, lies about his actions constantly, points fingers at anyone else he can to divert the focus, even makes shit up about me in the process, like his claims that I am divorced(he doesnt even know my actual name, yet he thinks he "dug up" something about me...) The guy has no clue about me whatsoever.

Peter messes up a lot, then faces up to those mistakes, repents, and then makes himself an example for God. Mark messes up a lot, avoids any form of taking responsibility for those mistakes, lies about them, even blames them on others if he has no other option, and then posts more scripture, like that will cover for his actions and lies. Were you around on this forum when he proclaimed that HIS ACTIONS were 90% my fault? It isnt like I am pulling this stuff out of my ass here.....we all mess up a lot, but I have yet to see any one person work so hard to avoid facing their mistakes like he does. Shit, I admitted how much of an ass I am what I want to be recently, and even then he tried to use that as some sort of proof against me rather than just accept that I admit who I am and follow suit!

EDIT--overzealous, I could handle. But DISHONEST? NO--that is NOT representation of God. The bible NEVER instructs the faithful to be DISHONEST. My bible contains things like "let your yes be yes and your no be no"....apparently, you two read from a bible that says "Thou shalt say one thing, but do the opposite"

wow....could I ever turn that around on your head 10,000 times

but you aren't worth my time....and you're certainly no Christian....a true Christian "keeps no record of wrongs" and seeks to cover the sin of a brother

A true christian keeps no record of wrongs??

Is THAT why you still whine about people who supposedly attacked you years ago on the 7 club?? Because you keep no record of wrongs??

How about when you complain that your sister in law sent me a PM?? YOU KEEP NO RECORD, right???:bigthumb:

Maybe that explains why you constantly cry about the time that Dennis said he wanted to club you like a baby seal??? BECAUSE YOU DONT KEEP A RECORD????

Dude--the hypocrisy you display is beyond laughable.

I guess that means that you are no christian then, according to your own words.....:owned: by yourself!! congrats!!!

a true Christian "keeps no record of wrongs" and seeks to cover the sin of a brother

he's been following me around for 4 years now, constantly hassling me at every turn, posting page long rant after page long rant about my "sins" while ignoring his own


but....but....but....but...I thought you were a TRUE CHRISTIAN!!!!

I thought a true christian KEPT NO SUCH RECORD!!!!

HMMMMM......thanks for proving the point, Marky....you fail, as usual.

By the way, you are no brother. you are a fraud, a fake, a false prophet. When we compare your actions and even a lot of your words to the Bible itself, you are not going in the same direction by any standard except for yours. Good day.

EDIT--the more I see you post, the more I am reminded of Gollum.....I can just see you now, wringing your hands in disgusting anticipation, the way you always post how you cant wait for so-and so to reach their judgment.....This isnt even about God for you anymore--its about the WRATH. The feeling of superiority you take away from that is your "precious".....and just like the movie, it is gonna be your undoing.

no.....jon ATTACKS the truth....he ATTACKS me....

1--NEWS FLASH--YOU ARE NOT THE TRUTH. Its that simple. You may know a ton about the scriptures, but you completely fail when it comes time to put that into actual practice. KNOWING THE WORDS means so little when you choose to live your life as a fraud!

2--I dont attack the truth at all--matter of fact, I so often USE SCRIPTURE ITSELF to refute things you say and do. USING SCRIPTURE IS NOT ATTACKING SCRIPTURE, and since all the scripture is THE TRUTH, you lose yet again.

keeps no record of wrongs against a brother

you ain't my brother....God will certainly bring it all right back on your head

thats funny--I was your brother enough when you thought it was a good idea to post the "a true christian doesnt..." line! Funny how things are only that way for you when it serves YOUR purpose and not GOD'S.

There would have been no reason for you to even mention the whole "keeping a record" thing if you were automatically going to say that I am not your brother. AGAIN, you FAIL.

you were CLEARLY talking about ME keeping record of YOUR actions. THIS is what I mean when I say you have no credibility--you change your tune every time your words get you painted into a corner and then you wonder why no one respects you?? What a ridiculous joke....

I'm just showing how far outside the faith you really are

glaringly obvious

By your own words, if you are not a brother, then those actions would NOT be outside the faith. After all, isnt that the exact same excuse you just used a minute ago to try to cover your own behavior???? YOU BET IT IS....

YOU LOST ALREADY--own up, be a man for once, and deal with it.

Your intent at first is completely obvious, and then you tried to change it all around to suit your latest argument....and you FAILED at it. Miserably, I might add.

ok, whatever

whatever nothing. You tried and you failed. Then you tried to change your tune. And you failed at that too. That is not "whatever". IT is you screwing up repeatedly and trying to avoid responsibility for your hypocritical double-standard. Which, by the way, just shone through like a blinding light.....:bigthumb:

the sky is blue today

and marky failed yet again today:bigthumb:

more accurately....jonnie has to have the last word today....and the longest, rambling posts (which no one reads)

:bigthumb:

dude, stop being such a retard already....the last word??? So, you posted the sky is blue for what purpose?? NOT to have the last word, right???:blah:

You are pathetic sometimes, you really are.

no....to show that whatever I post, you will go off on another rant

well, you failed yet again, unless a couple of sentences qualifies as your oft-parroted "page-long rant".....:bowdown:

hey, if you think THIS is bad, wait til you get to hell with the rest of us no-good apostates and sinners.....youre gonna hafta hear me FOREVER

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

nw I KNOW you didnt take your meds.....you seriously need to get off the power trip there, son. In case you forgot, and apparently you have, this is all supposed to be about glorifying GOD, NOT YOURSELF.

More proof positive that you are simply a selfish fraud....the more you post, the more evident that becomes. Have a great day, false prophet.

amen to that

but God created weeds, destined to be burned up

He sure did......like I said, dont worry, we'll save you a good seat....

before this thread imploded, there was a wonderful post made

let's hear it again

that was not a wonderful post, marky--it was an ignorant one. The simple fact is that the movie was mde for one purpose--to highlight the actual crucifixion, not to show anything else. The concept was to emphasize the amount of suffering that was involved. As someone else said, it's called a "passion play". You failed when you didnt realize that about the movie, you failed again when you posted this ignorance the first time, and you failed yet again just now when you had to revisit your "wonderful post"....

Mighty Marky has struck out.....:bigthumb:

to highlight a gory bloodbath

I'm convinced the demons all cheered when it was released

why are you such a moron??

YES, genius, to highlight a gory bloodbath, TO EMPHASIZE THE LEVEL OF SACRIFICE THAT CHRIST ENDURED FOR US, you idiot!!!!

What part of that is so hard to grasp?? He made that to show people what Christ went through FOR THEM.....geez, you are thick...

Like I said, PASSION PLAY....go look it up yourself....

but, it again, it missed the gospel...it completely missed Who Christ is

WOW, you are seriously IGNORANT....the entire purpose was NOT TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHO CHRIST WAS.

Let me say it like this--go down on the street and ask any ten people who Jesus was, and they all will likely tell you he was the son of God who was crucified. Ask them how much he suffered, and MOST PEOPLE WILL NOT HAVE A CLUE.

Again, for the unbelievably slow one among us, the movie's purpose was NOT to educate people on his entire life--it was to educate people ABOUT HIS DEATH FOR US.

Anyone home????

YZFife has too much of an ego with the wrong focus on what it is to be a christian....its useless to even get him to conceed when he is wrong on something because of his lack of grey matter.

You can explain to him all you want on what a Passion Play is, but he just wont conceptually get it....as you can tell by his postings even after a few of us have explained it to him.

Don't even waste your time, he just doesn't get anything.

then it's worthless...anything that short circuits the message of the gospel as presented in the Bible is worthless

wrong again...

It IS entirely possible to emphasize one particular aspect of Christ without bringing up the others, moron...that is NOT "short-circuiting" anything, except for your ignorant attempt at logic. NOWHERE is it written that mentioning one specific part of Christ means that you are required to mention ALL OF IT.

nonsense....most people do NOT consider Christ to be the Son of God!! are you high?

the more you post, the more I realize how utterly bankrupt your thinking is..stick to military trivia

you are unbelievably ignorant....

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week534/specialreport.html

America is mostly a Christian country. Five out of six say they are Christians.

And while they are certainly not all on the "right path", they DO know who Christ is already, marky. you lose yet again.....it is a long-known fact that most Americans call themselves Christians--and the single most basic piece of information about the concept of being Christian is WHO JESUS CHRIST IS.

Do yourself a favor--and stop lying and talking out your ass just because you cant stand to admit you've lost yet again.

that's exactly right....the movie glorified the death of Christ

HEY STOOPID...I said EDUCATE, NOT GLORIFY. How can you change words, change the entire meaning of what I said, and then say "exactly right"???

Did you even see the movie? If so, you would have known that the entire mood was NOT ONE OF GLORY. To show something in detail is not the same as to glorify it, oh supposedly educated one....the movie told the story in detail to emphasize the issue, NOT TO GLORIFY THE FACT THAT HE SUFFERED you moron. The very beginning of the movie shows Christ alone, praying, scared. The entire mood was set and it was NOT AT ALL one of glory. Your own pathetic "know-it-all" mentality came up with that one.

The purpose was simple--to graphically illustrate what He went through for us, so that more people could see exactly how much He LOVES us. Your problem is that you think you know everything about the topic. You couldnt be further off on this one.

MANY people involved the occult, even many satanists, wear a cross or crucifix...Ozzie wears a cross...WHAT DOES THAT PROVE?

what in the world are you talking about?? Where did I ever say anything even remotely related to this quote from you? What are you saying this in reply to?? I didnt talk about ANYONE wearing a cross, using a cross as a symbol, etc etc etc even once in this thread, so what the hell is your point?? Oh, sorry, forgot...you dont have one...

blind eyes can't see

thats ok...we forgive you.

because I'm not wrong, you fools are wrong

and that's "concede", mr. "educated"...that isn't a typo, it's a spelling error

he spelled it wrong....

so what??

you spelled incredibly wrong, and no, that was not a typo--you inserted a letter that the word does not have. you did it intentionally. the two keys were not next to each other, so it isnt like your finger hit the wrong one. but you called yours a typo....and this one is suddenly different....

congratulations, hypocrite....

here comes another jonnie novel....

don't bother jon, you are WASTING your time....I have absolutely zero respect for anything you say on spiritual issues

you have zero respect for anything or anyone, except for yourself. you dont even respect God the way you try to pretend you do. You're not fooling a soul, God included....

by the way, why should you care if I reply?? YOU DONT EVEN READ MY POSTS, remember??:owned:

on the contrary....people like you will be forced to bow and worship and my feet


I knew that YZFife had a God complex...he worships himself, and his ego. And is not a witnessing christian.


ask yourself, what what Jesus think of the movie?

wait a minute, you arent Spirit filled, and never have been, so you wouldn't have a clue

but I know....


And just because you think you are with Christ, doesn't mean that you can speak on his behalf YZFife.... Again, another clue to God complex.

He has a chance here to tell everyone the Good News, but he can't because he does not even know....I asked him the other day about Christs message, and his limited viewpoint affirmed this point. So sad that he has this ego, because I know he has the will for being a good Christian, but yet he is not a light house.


Even when you explain to him that a spelling error is a typeographical error, he still is unable to learn. Same with the explaination of a 'Passion play'. pathetic.

Thus I have established that YZFife is an ego-centric being, living only for himself and not for others, definately not the path of what Christ would want any person to do....anything he has to say about Christ I would check for myself very carefully, because YZFife loves to add in thing into the bible.

On top of this, he would rather shoot someone down then turn the other cheek. Such a hypocrite.


And how would I think what Christ would say about the 'Passion' movie????
I'll be it would be 'Thank God I dont have do that that again!!!'

what is all this "passion play" nonsense?

I don't really read anything you fools post, but I did notice that much

you are so full of it....you dont read anything people post--but you know what they post enough to respond to what they post. Good luck getting anyone to believe your latest lie, champ....

I don't...but I skim a few lines here and there

;)

nice try liar....but skimming a few lines would not give you the ability to reply so specifically to things that others say. Why dont you grow up and just be honest for once?? Man, you're just shy of 40 and you still cannot even tell the most basic truth?? You are truly sad.

Try HONESTY--I hear that the blatant dishonesty you practice routinely is a sin that "God intensely hates".....

because I read one line?

you really are that stupid, aren't you? do you understand what "skimming" a page means? are you telling me you can't pick a line out of page quickly and comment on it?

beyond words

can you be any more of a retard???

http://www.theforumlounge.com/showpost.php?p=116802&postcount=81

http://www.theforumlounge.com/showpost.php?p=116356&postcount=42

Those examples are just in this thread--examples where you posted a line-by-line quote/reply. THAT IS NOT SKIMMING AND ONLY CATCHING ONE LINE FROM THE POST YOU RETARD......

Any more lies you need to have your dick stomped on about?? Just let us know....:bigthumb:

"Retard"....havent you been saying for a LOOOONG time now that you dont read my posts anyways?? THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT....liar.....

I dont care how you try to weasel your way out of this latest lie--the fact is plain as day that you are simply full of shit.

again, for the retarded here (you)

I don't read your long winded posts where you carry on like a little kid, type a bunch of bs in all caps and litter the post with miscellaneous links from this forum

and here's a little hint, jon....no one else reads 'em, either

1--you dont read them, yet you still comment on them each and every time I post em....good call, liar....do you actually believe that anyone who reads the threads in here is buying this shit from you??? What a sad joke....

1--you are hardly qualified to tell me what anyone else does to begin with. After all, like I said in another thread, a good leader will find that people are willing to follow him through hell, but you cant even get someone to follow you to heaven....that is absolutely pathetic.

This is turning out an awful lot like your ridiculous "I'm gonna put you on ignore now..." bullshit...."No, I mean it this time, I REALLY dont read your posts!!!!!"

:asshole:

if it's such a "sad joke", why are you posting here? and why did you follow me here from rx7club?

I didnt follow you here, you diseased freak

I was invited here by a few people and none of that had anything to do with you.

In fact, speaking of following, tell us, who was the dipshit that crashed a 29 page thread over on the 7 club a couple weeks ago specifically to harass me?? Tell everyone why you got banned yet again from the 7 club, retard....and when you get done with all that, THEN YOU CAN TRY TO CLAIM AGAIN THAT I AM THE ONE FOLLOWING YOU....

whatflippinretardyouare....

Say goodbye to "Improved FD"....yet one more screen name from the resident village idiot that has fallen by the wayside....what are you up to now, 150 bans from over there?? I hear that if you get banned three more times, they will give you a nice set of steak knives!!:bigthumb:

oh really? I comment on every one, huh? like this long winded tripe from the previous page? http://www.theforumlounge.com/showpost.php?p=116816&postcount=84

get outta here

dude--the fact that you comment on ANY OF THEM, which I have already shown you did, shows you to be full of shit. You claim that you dont read ANY of them and yet you still comment on plenty of them, so in the end, you are still(yes, thats right....) full of shit.

Congratulations, oh fecal friend!! :blah:

Got banned again?? Man, am I ever out of the loop these days...