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Opinions? Anyone ever shot one?

HMM ......................looks like fun.

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I bought it, does the job. The 15 round clip is nice. I dont care for the sights on it but it was cheap enough.

How much was it?

$275. Probably more than its worth.

I have fired the 24/7 in .40 and it is a very good choice. Fits the hand just right, rugged as anything and decently accurate. I agree about not liking the sights very much, though. For the money you cannot go wrong. One of the most dependable guns out there. I also have the PT-92 in 9mm, and that one is just as good. Then again, I have a laser mounted on the 92 so the sights arent as big a deal.

They also offer the 24/7 pro model in .45 if I recall right...if you want a solid, rugged gun without the big price tag, this one is it. Shorter frame means it is a better choice for a carry gun IMO, too.

lol

I'll stick with proven firearms from Glock/Sig

I dont see how you'll ever get to use either, since you are always too busy with your arms folded. If the day ever comes when you actually need a gun, you will probably get your can shot off because you sat there, arms folded, thinking that you would intimidate the guy into giving up, lol

Glocks are mostly for cops and wannabe gangsters, youre neither. And you can laugh at taurus all you like--that proven 24/7 will shoot you just as dead as the Glock will, but at around half the cost. The only thing I have ever seen a Taurus not feed is empty cartridges, and I am still wondering why the moron was even trying that out. For the money, you cant go wrong. The one thing I dont like about the Glock is the trigger. Sigs are nice, but pricey. Nowadays, there are simply more options that are every bit as capable, but less expensive. Although I have had my eye on that P226 compact....

sure...until it happens to malfunction

as the gun dealer told me when I picked up my .357, the most important thing about any handgun used for self defense is reliability...will it fire, and will it keep firing every time, without fail? the Glock and Sig are unrivaled in that respect, they are proven firearms with excellent reputations

it's not that Taurus is a pos, it's that I want the most reliable gun available when my life is on the line; you get what you pay for

Honestly, for that price comparison, just buy two of them :P

Is reliability really going to be an issue unless you send thousands of rounds through it and fail to care for it properly?

I thought you were selling that cody?

so when somone breaks into your house, grab both? are you the VT shooter now? :bigthumb:

Nah, grab the one that you didnt mess up by sending 10,000,000 rounds through it without caring for it :P



yes....cheap guns can and do jam or mis-fire

But, would this Taurus jam or misfire with such a high rate compared to the Glock or Sig that this would be a major concern for self defense with a relatively new, well-cared-for gun?

sure...until it happens to malfunction

as the gun dealer told me when I picked up my .357, the most important thing about any handgun used for self defense is reliability...will it fire, and will it keep firing every time, without fail? the Glock and Sig are unrivaled in that respect, they are proven firearms with excellent reputations

it's not that Taurus is a pos, it's that I want the most reliable gun available when my life is on the line; you get what you pay for

There is a point at which you stop paying for that quality and start paying for a brand name. With a Glock, you are paying for that name, just as you are with a Sig. The fact remains that the 24/7 Taurus is an award-winning handgun with more than proven reliability. I have experience with the Sig personally, usaed them in the service. Great weapon, but it isnt the best fit for my hand at all. Took some adaptation to use consistently. It isnt the only handgun I carried in the field--it wasnt my favorite either....but it did get the job done. I had more jamming issues with that P226 than I ever had with any Taurus, this is because I have not had one single jam with the Taurus. Reliability?? Tell you what--I will stick with what I see with my own eyes and experiences when it comes to that, just like anyone will. And my experience tells me that the Taurus is a damn fine weapon for the money. Have you ever had to rely on your gun in a real-word situation? Didnt think so. Meanwhile, I have made my living by having to rely on my sidearm in exactly that kind of situation. I have staked my life on this gun's reliability and never came up short.

By the way, since you are correct about reliability being important, check into the features you actually get on the Taurus. The 24/7 Pro is the only gun out there which will automatically revert to DA in case of a hang-fire. Pull the trigger, the primer does not ignite...normally you have to hurry up and eject the unfired round. Not on this one, you get a second chance with a DA trigger pull to shoot the round. Show me the Glock that has this. In a life-or-death situation, that second chance may be the only one you'll ever get....

so when somone breaks into your house, grab both? are you the VT shooter now?

1--this is an absolutely disgusting attempt at humor from you. You should be ashamed. Really. How about you try showing a little class?

2--your dad was a cop, right?? So why in the world would you seriously mock the concept of two guns? Last time I checked, police officers from coast to coast not only strongly advocate carrying a backup weapon, but they all do it themselves. If you had any real knowledge about how often an armed person(citizen or cop) has had their life saved by use of a second or backup gun, you would not be posting this.

yes....cheap guns can and do jam or mis-fire

Sure they do....like Jennings, for example. Biggest pieces of crap to ever have a trigger. But that isnt a Taurus. It is a cheapie, it is designed as one, it is marketed as one, and it performs as one. Show me one single "cheap gun" company that puts an unconditional lifetime warranty on each and every gun they build and sell.....

Wow, good retort...

a long winded retort based on one guy's experience/opinion

which just so happens to be a hundred times more experience in the real world of handguns and personal defense than you could dream up....but hey, lets leave that little detail out, right? Tell us, Mark, how many times have you actually had to remove your overpriced gun from its holster to legitimately defend yourself? I would be willing to bet that you have never had to consider pulling that trigger for real. Dont preach about experience when you dont have any yourself.

but the fact is Glock/Sig have excelled in extensive tests of reliability/durability for many years; military, law enforcement, whatever....

As has Taurus. In fact, the PT-92 got its start as the Taurus licensed version of the Beretta M9 but with imnprovements, for a military contract. Glocks have been tested, but the Taurus has been proven--not in some test, but in real world use by military forces.

I've talked to quite a number of gun experts, none of whom mention Taurus in the same breath with Glock/Sig

Its funny how no matter what the topic, you always "have talked to a number of experts" on the matter. You pull this tired response out on anything. My daughter puts ketchup on everything, and you put this on everything. Plainly ridiculous. Trust me, Mark, no one here believes that you ALWAYS have "a number of experts" hanging around to talk to you at your whim, about every topic. And besides, no "expert" would mention Taurus in the same group as Glock and Sig--because Taurus is a good solid reliable handgun, proven in military and civilian hands all over the world, but without the high price tag that the others have. It isnt the same as a gun where you pay hundreds more just because of the name on the slide. If someone told you they were the same, they wouldnt have a clue. You will note, well, if you possess any tendency for honesty, you will note that in this thread I have not tried to put them together either.

You really need to come up with a better story, that "I've talked to a bunch of --experts--...." bit got old last year.

I thought you were selling that cody?

Bought a Glock 27, dont really need the Taurus anymore but it doesn't take up much glove box space so I may keep both.

Went shooting when I first bought it with a friend who just bought a Kimber new and it jammed after about 10 rounds. I guess they suck worse than Taurus? I shot about 150-rounds with no problems.

Kimbers are awesome. So comfortable.

I wasn't referring to myself

maybe thats the problem---you never can refer to yourself. It is always the other guy. In this kind of situation, experience is a major factor, otherwise you are just doling out hearsay. At least I have that experience to speak of--when it is mentioned that you do not, the only thing you have left in your "debating bag of tricks" is this:

asshole

So much for honesty, huh Mark? Note how I have refrained this whole time from getting back into that mess....and yet you did not waste much time. All this time, it is an endless line of BS about how people provoke you SO MUCH that you have no choice but to respond like this...well, I didnt see one inch of provoking in this manner from me. We DID, however, see your incredible debating skills hard at work, thanks for that.

shot 150 rounds with what?

Well, he clearly stated that the Kimber jammed after 10 rounds down the pipe, while he put about 150 rounds through the "POS" Taurus without one single jam. For your birthday, we're all gonna chip in and get you hooked on phonics, so this embarassing lack of simple reading comprehension doesnt happen to you in the future.

nothing too favorable on the Taurus here

Oh yeah, lets see those awful reviews that come up in there....

1--
A few friends of mine have the Taurus PT111, " NOT A VERY GOOD WEAPON ", there words.

2--
I knew the Taurus wouldn't be as good of a gun as the Glock but having never fired one I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask.

Two people, neither of which has owned or even fired a Taurus, are talking about how good(or bad) a gun it is. They have to rely on what "a friend" says, because they havent even put one round through one! WOW, what incredibly damning testimony you have there, Mark!!:owned:

Then again, I dont need to ask "a friend" what he thinks of his Taurus. All I need to do is pick up mine. What kind of idiot are you, anyways?? You dont buy a car without test driving it for yourself, you dont buy a pair of shoes without trying them on first, but you take the word of a complete stranger on a message board from four years ago, who has admittedly never touched the gun?!?

Pay attention, everyone, Mark just demonstrated how to lose a debate. Take notes for future reference.:eek:

I was referring to countless law enforcement agencies and military agencies that PICKED THE SIG OR THE GLOCK OVER ANYTHING ELSE...

But none of that matters here, obviously, since all you care about is what that dude over there heard his neighbor's friends cousin's boss's son's ex-lover's dog say about a gun you havent even held in your hand. The simple fact is this--the average person who is looking for a carry gun will not ever need to freeze it in a 20 foot block of ice, then clear the barrel with an icepick and fire. Glocks are nothing more than a novelty for most people who are looking for a personal carry gun today, because they will not ever experience the conditions that the Glock was designed for. In other words, when you buy a Glock, you are buying A NAME, because the fact that you can go deep sea diving with it to 50 meters and then shoot it is absolutely worthless to that average shooter, since he wont be there. THAT IS THE POINT. I remember when they tested the Glock--they dropped it from 100 feet from a helicopter onto pavement. How many gun owners here have a helicopter, or regularly spend time in one? WHAT EARTHLY GOOD DID THAT TEST DO FOR THE AVERAGE SHOOTER? Answer--NOTHING WHATSOEVER. But I will tell you something that is real-world and that EVERY GUN OWNER needs to consider--safety.

Safety--the Glock design has three safeties built in. First, there is the firing pin safety. There is also a drop safety. And then the trigger safety, which isnt even a safety at all, it is basically a "second trigger" attached to the first one. OK--now, you are in a real-world scenario. You wake up to the sound of an intruder breaking into your house. You grab your gun, a Glock. You go to confront the intruder when suddenly he jumps you. ALL THAT IS NEEDED TO FIRE THE GLOCK IS TO PULL THE TRIGGER--IT AUTOMATICALLY DISENGAGES ALL THE SAFETIES ON THE GUN. In the ensuing struggle, he gets his hand on your gun....good bye safety. In fact, Glock JUST began making versions of some of its guns with a trigger block....gee, apparently, I am not the only one who sees the problems with the Glock safety system.

Finally, lets talk about what real people say in regards to Glock. No, Mark--not "my friend said"....these are the words of real people who(youre not going to believe this) have ACTUALLY USED THE GUN IN QUESTION....(gasp!)

http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/hhnj.html

The site doesnt allow copying the text, so I will sum that link up in a nutshell--remember how you said that Glock was chosen by many law enforcement agencies? In August 2005, the Indiana State Police purchased precisely 1,375 Glock 22's for their officers. Immediately they began to have all kinds of jamming and stovepipe problems. They ended up sending EVERY LAST ONE BACK TO GLOCK. Numerous attempts by Glock to fix those guns failed....so they simply gave them back. WOW, WHAT A SUCCESS!

Now, Mark, I hope you paid attention--THAT is how you present your argument. Not with "a friend" or "numerous 'experts' have told me", but HARD FACTS. You said earlier that you "get what you pay for" and you talked about how cheaper guns give cheaper performance...well, go tell the police of more than one agency about it. honestly, which is more credible--the word of an unnamed friend, or solid facts about a department giving back over a THOUSAND guns because of repeated malfunction? I especially liked the part about the Glock rep personally showing up to test the guns, and having the same problems with four different types of ammo....changed a bunch of parts and EVEN THEN, he couldnt make it through two mags without another jam!

"you get what you pay for"....

:owned:

My brother's Taurus Millenium Pro 140 (I think that's the name) was flawless. Never jammed, and it was a damn fine fire arm. The short barrel and .40 caliber rounds made it a bit of a handful in the beginning, but it was a powerhouse.

He recently sold it because he's picking up a Pro 24/7 soon. He's getting the Pro 24/7 because he wants a 9mm. .40 cal. rounds are too expensive. Haha. The awards and previous experience are what made up his mind on the 24/7.

I hope to one day own both a Taurus Pro 24/7 and a Glock 17, they both fit my hand very well. I was at a gun show just a couple of days ago, and the feel of those two guns surpassed any gun I held, with the one exception of the Baretta 92. Those three were a toss up for me. Hell, maybe I'll buy all three. Not too mention, the Ruger .22 I plan to pick up one day. .22 is cheap, and I need a target shooting gun.

Hey Clean--which show did you go to?? I knew there were a couple around here somewhere recently.

If you like the Beretta 92, go for the Taurus PT-92 instead. The fit and finish is better and the features are better. But it is the same basic frame, so it feels about the same in your hand. I own one of these and it performs perfectly.

whoope zip, psycho jonnie...out of hundreds of thousands of Glocks produced you found a production run of a few guns that were apparently defective...and that proves what exactly? that Taurus is a better gun?

same old long winded psycho jonnie, different year....

reading owns you again I see....this isnt "a few guns". we are talking about multiple problems with several production runs that span TENS OF THOUSANDS OF GUNS OF ALL MODELS....the shortened rear slide rails affect each and every Glock model and cover a shitload of them.

In the end, you come off looking like an idiot in this. you bring up early problems with Taurus like it's the final word, even though you freely admitted that they have improved since then. BUT--the issues with Glock are going on right now, and Glock isnt recalling those KNOWN DEFECTIVE GUNS to tace care of their customers! On the slide rail problem, Glock offered to send customers a new frame to fix the issue....but they listed this on the Glock sport website, which is not nearly as popular as the Glock website. So, they listed a solution to this problem in a place where most Glock owners wouldnt even know to look for it!! WOW, WHAT GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE!!! They did this, presumably, to lower the number of people who respond, and thereby, lower the cost to them. In the meantime, this problem could quite easily get Glock owners KILLED in a defense situation, when their gun becomes immediately inoperable....Compared to the Taurus lifetime warranty, this is a no-brainer.

this explains some of the improvement in quality, since Baretta is an excellent name and I've owned several Baretta shotguns

Nevermind the fact that they have surpassed Beretta in both quallity and design on that one gun alone....

I own a Glock, butthead, I'm quite familair with it's operation

Then you know I, unlike you, have told the truth here.

wonderful! I blow his head off and it's game over

Except for one thing, tough guy--my grandma probably has more actual real-life defense shooting experience than you do. No matter how tough you try to talk, it becomes clear that you have never had to use your gun to defend yourself. Or, more to the point, you have no tactical awareness. Your "blow his head off" is obviously too ideal, since you cannot control the location of the intruder, or how far he has penetrated into your home before you go to confront him. At that point, the advantage is with the intruder, because you dont know where he is, if he's armed, and anything else. A smart intruder can lie in wait once he hears someone coming, and remain behind cover until he sees you....but you cant if youre looking for him. that puts you exposed, while if he hears you coming he has the chance to pick his moment to move. You clearly have no experience with this...and I do. Simply owning a gun doesnt make you a badass, champ....you are in fact more likely to be shot or killed with your own gun in such a case because you dont have the first clue how to handle the issue. The laws in some states dont even allow you to shoot an intruder unless there is a reasonable perception of immediate mortal danger--some dude stealing your television is not in that category. And your answer, as we see, is "i'll just blow him away"....do you think youre gonna like prison, Mark?? If the guy jumps you, you do not have the right to immediately resort to deadly force....this is the clearest indication that you dont have the slightest clue what the hell youre talking about.

I guess they suck worse than Taurus?
hah!

The Kimber's of old (no personal experience with new) had to be broke in, the tollerances were so tight they would often jam in the first 2 - 300 rounds, then after that smooth as butter for the next several thousand until things started to wear out. As most things of quality, they require a "wear in" time just to get shit working the way they should.

And are you sure your friend wasn't limp wristing the kimber?

the bottom line, before this thread got sidetracked by asshole jonnie and his ridiculous "TAURUS RULES ALL" nonsense

um, dude, THIS THREAD BEGAN ABOUT TAURUS. And I didnt say that taurus rules all, liar, all I said was that it is a good gun, I never had a single problem with them and they are a better value than buying a more expensive gun for a name. Stop with the lies already. What kind of grown man cant even tell the truth about something this simple??

several people I know who could out-shoot bounty hunter psycho jonnie blindfolded

Now youre just being a prick....what a useless comment.

the intruder is dead

only because you say so, not because you actually have any clue how to handle the situation.

in that case no gun offers any real advantage, assuming the other guy is armed...stupid argument

It isnt a stupid argument, since you need to be prepared for such a scenario. This is real-world, not just some dreamt up thing that couldnt possibly happen. The truth is this--you dont ever know the experience, ability, or intent that an intruder possesses, so for you to throw a real(as in happened to people in real life) scenario out the window without a thought proves your ineptness.

pure speculation

I could likely out-shoot you at any range, with any gun...

WOW, you really are in true forum this evening. DEFENSE EXPERIENCE and AT THE RANGE arent even close to the same thing. Unless, of course, your tactical genius somehow thinks that an armed intruder will suddenly stand still and wait for you to open fire at him like a paper target at 10 meters....

Anyone can pick up a gun, go to a range, and learn how to hit a paper target when they have all day and a steady shooting bench.....making the shot when it counts is not even close to the same thing. Once again, if you had even a shred of common sense in this arena, you wouldnt need to be told this.

standing...25 yard range

this is what happens when you are this ignorant, and deliberately ignore the rest of the post, Mark. I dont give a rats ass if youre standing, laying prone, or sitting on the toilet--a RANGE and a real life defense situation are not ever going to be comparable. When you are looking down the sights at a bullseye, it is a whole different experience than looking down the sights at a person. Then again, this is just one more example of your complete lack of a clue.

If you find it that easy to answer "yes" when it comes to the question of if you could shoot someone for real, then you have no business owning a gun. This is the point of view(yours) of someone who obviously has never been faced with that decision when it counts. So, oh great pretender, give it a friggin rest. You have no clue. And until you get one, youre just talking out your back side.

I read parts of your long winded post

I still say I can beat you, standing, 25 yard range...test of "defense tactics"/skill is purely subjective

right....and you said you could kick my ass any day of the week too...any time, any place, as I recall. Still waiting for you to drop by on that one, even with my address, you still did nothing but whine your way out of being a man. This is no different. you could outshoot me....sure. Maybe you can, who knows? But for the guy that bitches all day long about me being full of pride, you sure do have an overabundance of it yourself there, tex. In either case, you think you can do anything better than anyone---tests of strength, skill, stamina, speed, any other measure of fitness, kicking everyone's ass, and now shooting. Why am I not surprised? The resident "I can do it better than anyone here" bullshitter is on his usual game, I see.

jon, I own a gun, and I'm quite capable of killing anyone who breaks into my house

hell, they dont even have to break into your house, remember??

"set one foot on my property, I dare ya..."

:bowdown:

liar

you never stated YOUR address, mr. multiple alias

I most certainly did tell you right where to find me. Stop whining, Mark--it doesnt suit you.

hah!

The Kimber's of old (no personal experience with new) had to be broke in, the tollerances were so tight they would often jam in the first 2 - 300 rounds, then after that smooth as butter for the next several thousand until things started to wear out. As most things of quality, they require a "wear in" time just to get shit working the way they should.

And are you sure your friend wasn't limp wristing the kimber?

That what we are thinking its not broken in yet. He has fired about 250-300 rounds with it so far and it jammed twice out of 100 rounds yesterday. We will see if its broken in yet next time I guess.

Even though i am a diehard Kimber fan i will always admit that they are just a mechanical device... You should shoot at LEAST 300 rounds through any weapon that you plan on using for self defense... And what exactly do you mean by "it jammed"... As in a failure to extract/eject, a stovepipe or a double feed?