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DarkAngelKamui 08-20-2007, 02:00 PM Try domestic satellites...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/15/AR2007081502430_pf.html
"The Bush administration has approved a plan to expand domestic access to some of the most powerful tools of 21st-century spycraft, giving law enforcement officials and others the ability to view data obtained from satellite and aircraft sensors that can see through cloud cover and even penetrate buildings and underground bunkers."
Everyday I get closer to actually considering leaving this country... :mad:
Vert8813B 08-20-2007, 02:16 PM Bush is kinda whiping his ass with the constitution.
Supper 08-20-2007, 02:25 PM Lets just say I've heard rumors about the equipment you are talking about. I'll just venture a guess and say that seeing through cloud cover and some buildings is the least of your worries if this goes through. And hell, those rumors are from 3+ years ago now. I bet the new stuff can do even more.
Vert8813B 08-20-2007, 02:31 PM Spy satellites picking up on me driving and getting some road head. The messages will be conveyed to the local authorities and I will get a DWC.
Vert8813B 08-20-2007, 03:14 PM Maybe the guy with the tin foil hat was right.
Supper 08-20-2007, 03:21 PM I wasn't talking about satelites. The aircraft mounted stuff is what scares me.
Vert8813B 08-20-2007, 03:31 PM They already use predator drones which is kinda t3h gh3y. Thermal imaging from planes can detect marijuana too :-\.
DarkAngelKamui 08-20-2007, 03:45 PM So let's do the math...
Domestic Spy Satellites that are usable by all forms of enforcement
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Real ID Act
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/16/real.id/
The cards would be mandatory for all "federal purposes," which include boarding an airplane or walking into a federal building, nuclear facility or national park, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff told the National Conference of State Legislatures last week. Citizens in states that don't comply with the new rules will have to use passports for federal purposes.
It also requires all 245 million license and state ID holders to visit their local departments of motor vehicles and apply for a Real ID by 2013. Applicants must bring a photo ID, birth certificate, proof of Social Security number and proof of residence, and states must maintain and protect massive databases housing the information.
"This is not a mandate," Chertoff said. "A state doesn't have to do this, but if the state doesn't have -- at the end of the day, at the end of the deadline -- Real ID-compliant licenses then the state cannot expect that those licenses will be accepted for federal purposes."
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Various other losses of freedoms (Patriot Act and the like)
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Police State (a la 1984)
optics is simply light... i highly doubt satellites can go through a house... maybe heat detectors that are computerized into images... maybe.
Manntis 08-20-2007, 04:29 PM So let's do the math...
Domestic Spy Satellites that are usable by all forms of enforcement
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Real ID Act
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/16/real.id/
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Various other losses of freedoms (Patriot Act and the like)
=
Police State (a la 1984)
Do you haf your papers, please? No? Mit uns kommen, bitte.
Animal 08-20-2007, 08:28 PM optics is simply light... i highly doubt satellites can go through a house... maybe heat detectors that are computerized into images... maybe.
There's a lot more than just an optical image of something. Thermal, X-Ray, RF to name a few. Thermal cannot penetrate most solids, can't see a body behind a glass pane with a thermal camera.
About 10 years ago, Sony had released the "NightShot" technology with an IR lens that received -far- too much IR... let you see through certain types of clothing. Buddy of mine had one of the very few models with that "glitch", and it was rather amusing to say the least. I'm sure govt/mil has tremendous capability with something like that. X-Ray can see through most solids, aside from lead and thicker heavy metals. Have to be able to penetrate the material to see what's inside, basic physics. "Backscatter XRay" looks at x-ray reflections similar to some ultrasonic testing methods, that's being used at points of entry and border crossings, as well as airport security.
wotnartd 08-21-2007, 01:48 AM Lets just say I've heard rumors about the equipment you are talking about. I'll just venture a guess and say that seeing through cloud cover and some buildings is the least of your worries if this goes through. And hell, those rumors are from 3+ years ago now. I bet the new stuff can do even more.
Give me details, or I'll call the NSA on you.
Supper 08-21-2007, 10:30 AM Give me details, or I'll call the NSA on you.
I would if I could but I can't. After all, it was all just rumors ;)
Vert8813B 08-21-2007, 11:13 AM We are eventually going to have cyborg cops kinda like robocop...except less 80's and more lasers.
except less 80's
Fuck that then.
Vert8813B 08-21-2007, 12:54 PM lol
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