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Join in on this Discussion and see the pictures. Click here-> : Tree Huggers at it again........ this time with Dog Shit


BATMAN
02-22-2006, 09:59 AM
http://www.k9brass.co.uk/images/b.o.t.%20dog%20shit.JPG

City officials are hoping to harness the power of dog doo. San Franciscans already recycle more than 60 percent of their garbage, but in this dog-friendly town, animal feces make up nearly 4 percent of residential waste, or 6,500 tons a year — nearly as much as disposable diapers, according to the city.

Within the next few months, Norcal Waste, a garbage hauling company that collects San Francisco’s trash, will begin a pilot program under which it will use biodegradable bags and dog-waste carts to pick up droppings at a popular dog park.

The droppings will be tossed into a contraption called a methane digester, which is basically a tank in which bacteria feed on feces for weeks to create methane gas.

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The methane could then be piped directly to a gas stove, heater, turbine or anything else powered by natural gas. It can also be used to generate electricity.

Methane digesters are nothing new. The technology was introduced in Europe about 20 years ago, and more than 600 farm-based digesters are in operation there. Nine are in use on California dairy farms, and chicken and hog farms elsewhere in the United States also use them.

Neither Norcal Waste spokesman Robert Reed nor Will Brinton, a Maine-based recycling and composting consultant, knew of anyone in the United States who is using the $1 million devices to convert pet waste to energy. But Brinton said some European countries process dog droppings along with food and yard waste.

Challenge: Getting other cities to follow suit
“The main impediment is probably getting communities around the country the courage to collect it, to give value to something we’d rather not talk about,” Brinton said. “San Francisco is probably the king of pet cities. This could be very important to them.”

San Francisco — the city named after Saint Francis, patron saint of animals — has an estimated 240,000 dogs and cats.

Some experts believe methane digestion must become more attractive economically before it gets popular. Landfill space is relatively cheap, and natural gas and electricity also remain fairly inexpensive.

Reed points to San Francisco’s groundbreaking food composting program, which began 10 years ago, as proof an unusual idea can work in this forward-thinking city. A Norcal Waste subsidiary collects 300 tons of food scraps per day from homes and restaurants and converts it into a rich fertilizer sold to vineyards and organic farms.

“Now, the city’s asked us to look at dog waste specifically,” Reed said.

Because animal waste contains disease-causing germs, composting it at home with yard waste and food scraps can be unsafe.

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rtryb2200
02-23-2006, 10:35 PM
They sell a type of contraption like this for you own home, except it is just for letting the shit breakdown in your yard. You dig a hole put this thing in and then add a sometype of powder

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=570&Ntt=waste%20system&Ntk=All&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Np=1&pc=1&N=0&Nty=1

ComradeGiant
02-24-2006, 12:07 AM
Thats funny.

My grandfather worked on a system like that for a pig farmer in the 60s. The guy ran out of money before they could make it though.

Manntis
02-24-2006, 12:12 AM
Pig shit is a good source of methane... it powered the Thunderdome, after all :)

IHI
02-24-2006, 02:51 AM
Pig shit is a good source of methane... it powered the Thunderdome, after all :)

Algae a source of biodiesel? I know at least one farmer who would pay 30-50k for a self contained reactor for this purpose....... might be worth a look for my senior project next year. :)

Manntis
02-24-2006, 03:26 AM
actually, yes, a pig farm could produce biodiesel using waste water from the barn.

(Many barns use automatic scrapers to haul away dung. This can then be immersed in a small lagoon, growing algae, from which veggie oil can be harvested, in turnconverted into biodiesel through the introduction of the methoxide catalyst)

$50k would be a massive overcharge... it shouldn't cost more than $15k, and that's assuming you rent a backhoe to dig the lagoon :)

Say No To Pistons
02-24-2006, 01:32 PM
my yard smells like cat poop... damn city cats.

IHI
02-24-2006, 03:47 PM
methoxide catalyst

Ah, therein lies the missing link, looks like I won't need to team up with a chemical engineer after all. :D

Great stuff! Are you still going to start up a biodiesel firm in the near future? You don't have to answer if you don't want to.

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