Just read an interesting article about the calculation of time and the creation of the universe. The following comment was made, which really got me thinking:

"It is simultaneously 13.73 billion years and 6000 years old, depending on your frame of reference. As we know, time dilation means that a spaceship flying for a year at a high enough speed could return to Earth only to find that the crew's families have been dead for a thousand years due to local time passing at different rates for objects moving at different speeds. For this reason, a photon moves at the speed of light no matter how fast you are moving relative to that photon. Similarly, from our frame of reference inside the Universe, 13.73 billion years have elapsed. From another frame of reference, it is 6000 years old and not a minute more. Both measurements are perfectly valid and correct."

I' starting to agree with this post. I once stated that God is outside of time, (He is the alpha and the Omega) and that because of this fact, time is one event for Him, that is, He sees everything (past present future) as now. Our deaths, collectively for mankind occur as a single event. That is, everyone dies at the same time, depending on the event(s) perspective.

Some may now argue that Genesis is literal, but it is only in our perspective of time. Thus, our events do not match those of Gods.

Interesting thoughts.....

I would argue that God told us that Earth was created a few thousand years ago in Earth time, including in 7 earth days of creation; not the Billions as we are discovering. Therefore someone is not telling the truth. The author of Genesis (hint hint), or todays scientists.

I would argue that God told us that Earth was created a few thousand years ago in Earth time, including in 7 earth days of creation; not the Billions as we are discovering. Therefore someone is not telling the truth. The author of Genesis (hint hint), or todays scientists.

Its a matter of perspective....Think of it from Gods perspective, and our time is but a wisp.

What good is Gods message if the information he delivers is distorted and warped with riddles? Then we can go back and guess all about the others things God talked about. But one thing for certain, when God said he kills, you are dead. Oh wait, that message is clear. Hmmmm guess the 7 day creation was clear too....back to the fibbing author of Genesis.

Since God was the only witness to creation, then it must be his perspective.

six literal earth rotation days passed on earth, God is not being deceptive

Where does it say that the earth was rotating at the time of creation?

Since God was the only witness to creation, then it must be his perspective.
I agree. however, according to legend, god passed that information to people who understand Earth days. So instead of God being sensitiveto only our surroundings by easily telling us, 'Billions year' (which is only a few more letters to scribe in), he gave us 7 Earth days. Which again leads us to the careless pen of the author of Genesis.

how else can there be evening and morning, unless the earth is rotating and there is a point source of Light?

No the real question is how fast was the earth rotating at that time. We all know that the earth is slowing down in its rotation....how fast was it moving at creation? And how did God form the earth.

No one knows, only God does, thus the measurement of time from mans perspective (i.e. the 24 hr day) is invalid, so a 'day' must be in Gods perspective.

clues, yes. You found a scroll with writings on it which suppose to shed a light on how earth was created. It is a clue. However, in todays reality, the hards facts point in contrast to Genesis. So the readers and believers of the Bible are indeed clueless.

get a clue

Actually to 'get a clue' is really 'Get a clew'...figure that one out and you win the prize...

look up all the uses of the word "day" in the scripture, it's a fascinating study....a Day means a Day...always....even the Day of the Lord

Its a losing debate for you YZF, I've posted several counter rebuttals on your definition of 'Yom'

Good study on the use of 'Yom' http://www.answersincreation.org/word_study_yom.htm

" Word Usage in the Old Testament

As you can see, Yom is used in a wide variety of situations related to the concept of time. Yom is not just for days...it is for time in general. How it is translated depends on the context of its use with other words.
Yom in the Creation Account

Even within the creation account, Yom is used to represent four different time periods.

1. Genesis 1:5 "And God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night." Here, Moses uses Yom to indicate a 12-hour period
2. Genesis 1:14 "And God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years." Here, Moses uses Yom to indicate 24-hour days
3. Genesis 2:4 "...in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens." Here, Moses uses Yom to indicate the entire creative week.

The fourth usage of Yom in the creation account is in the summary for each of the six creation days, "and there was morning and evening the first day". Yom is used to represent a finite, long period of time, usually either millions or billions of years. To show support for this, consider the uses of Yom by Moses.
Moses Other Uses of Yom

Moses, the author of the first five books of the Bible, and of Psalm 90, used Yom in many different ways.

1. Genesis 4:3 "And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord." In this instance, Yom refers to a growing season, probably several months.
2. Genesis 43:9 "...then let me bear the blame for ever." Here, Moses uses Yom to represent eternity
3. Genesis 44:32 "...then I shall bear the blame to my father for ever." Again, Moses uses Yom to represent eternity
4. Deuteronomy 4:40 "...that thou mayest prolong thy days upon the earth, which the Lord thy God giveth the, for ever." Here Yom represents a physical lifetime
5. Deuteronomy 10:10, "Now I stayed on the mountain forty days and nights, as I did the first time,..." Here, Yom is a "time" equal to forty days.
6. Deuteronomy 18:5 "...to stand to minister in the name of the Lord, him and his sons for ever." Again, Yom is translated as eternity
7. Deuteronomy 19:9 "...to love the Lord thy God, and to walk ever in His ways..." Here, Yom represents a lifetime. As long as we live we are to walk in his ways


As you can see, Moses used the word Yom to represent 12-hours, 24 hours, the creative week, forty days, several months, a lifetime, and eternity. "

get a clue


end of discussion, this was the giving of the LAW to Moses....God spoke face-to-face with him

So what did he look like?

This is sort of like a research paper I did in High School. I could not find any two articles that stated the same birth year for the person I was doing the biography on.

Is that why the bible is inaccurate?

don't forget the the 7th day of rotation for rest. Or did the earth stop spinning and god said on noooooes my dinosaurs are dead!