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First and foremost, I whole-heartedly agree with Virginia delegate Frank Hargove that "black people need to get over slavery." Not just black people, all people; over a 100 years later it shouldn't be an issue or an excuse for anything. Personally, I will never apologize to anyone for something that I didn't do. I may be sorry in a sense that I regret a situation occurring at all, but I won't be apologetic for something that I personally didn't do, nor do I feel that anyone should.
This current resolution will most certainly be faced with people upset that an apology is being issued on the basis that "We never owned any slaves, so we shouldn't apologize." As stated, I agree and will never personally apologize to a black man for wealthy people of my race owning slaves a hundred years ago. However, I have no problem with a government that legally condoned crimes against humanity in general apologizing for allowing such things to happen. Would an apology from the German government for the mass-murder of six million Jewish people, amongst countless others be rejected?
Slavery was, is, and always will be wrong. Our government allowed this to happen, and the confederacy depended upon slavery for it's economic growth. I do feel strongly that all independent southern states should apologize for slavery.
After all, the United States itself banned slavery and I feel an apology was formally issued at a federal level when our country had a war within itself, whose main cause was the confederacy refusing to release slaves because their economic reliance. The southern states believed strongly in states rights and felt that a state's government was more vital than a national government. The United States of America banned slavery with the Emancipation Proclamation causing our country to split when the confederacy refused to free men. The United States of America fought the confederacy when they proclaimed their independence, refusing to industrialize, which was the only way to economically survive without slavery.
However, I strongly believe that states belonging to the confederacy of the past owe an apology for crimes against humanity, simply put-slavery. Each of those states refused to free slaves, betrayed the United States of America, and had to be forced with war to free innocent men. An apology is certainly justified, and individual states apologizing is the only proper way.
There is absolutely nothing negative about any government admitting wrong-doings that itself allowed by law. I feel that the United States of America itself has already apologized for slavery through drafting the bill that demanded the freeing of slaves, fighting a war with those who refused to free slaves, and continuing to strive for racial equality. The confederate states apologizing is overdue, but what a better place to start than the state where the confederate capitol resided.
P.S. You want your reparations? You already have them:
-Affirmative Action: A racist practice that gives minority races a priority for positions incorporating race as a factor instead of qualifications. This is EXACTLY what Martin Luther King Jr. fought. This isn't judging by "the content of character, and not by skin."
-United Negro College fund: I've never encountered any other college funding organizations that are allowed to discriminate against any race. This is racism in it's most ugly form: legal racism.
The whole idea that you deserve something because someone wronged your ancestors is simply stupid and ridiculous. If I could prove that someone stole a mule from my great-great-great-grandpa because the thief wrote about it in his diary, should I be allowed to make all parties that didn't bring justice pay me for his mule? This is how stupid you sound when crying for reparations.
Animal 02-25-2007, 07:37 PM plus fucking 1.
You know what I really hate... is how ******s can call me a cracker, white-boy, whatever... but they can't take the same shit without pulling the racist-white-boy card.
DarkAngelKamui 02-25-2007, 09:31 PM First and foremost, I whole-heartedly agree with Virginia delegate Frank Hargove that "black people need to get over slavery." Not just black people, all people; over a 100 years later it shouldn't be an issue or an excuse for anything. Personally, I will never apologize to anyone for something that I didn't do. I may be sorry in a sense that I regret a situation occurring at all, but I won't be apologetic for something that I personally didn't do, nor do I feel that anyone should.
This current resolution will most certainly be faced with people upset that an apology is being issued on the basis that "We never owned any slaves, so we shouldn't apologize." As stated, I agree and will never personally apologize to a black man for wealthy people of my race owning slaves a hundred years ago. However, I have no problem with a government that legally condoned crimes against humanity in general apologizing for allowing such things to happen. Would an apology from the German government for the mass-murder of six million Jewish people, amongst countless others be rejected?
Slavery was, is, and always will be wrong. Our government allowed this to happen, and the confederacy depended upon slavery for it's economic growth. I do feel strongly that all independent southern states should apologize for slavery.
After all, the United States itself banned slavery and I feel an apology was formally issued at a federal level when our country had a war within itself, whose main cause was the confederacy refusing to release slaves because their economic reliance. The southern states believed strongly in states rights and felt that a state's government was more vital than a national government. The United States of America banned slavery with the Emancipation Proclamation causing our country to split when the confederacy refused to free men. The United States of America fought the confederacy when they proclaimed their independence, refusing to industrialize, which was the only way to economically survive without slavery.
However, I strongly believe that states belonging to the confederacy of the past owe an apology for crimes against humanity, simply put-slavery. Each of those states refused to free slaves, betrayed the United States of America, and had to be forced with war to free innocent men. An apology is certainly justified, and individual states apologizing is the only proper way.
There is absolutely nothing negative about any government admitting wrong-doings that itself allowed by law. I feel that the United States of America itself has already apologized for slavery through drafting the bill that demanded the freeing of slaves, fighting a war with those who refused to free slaves, and continuing to strive for racial equality. The confederate states apologizing is overdue, but what a better place to start than the state where the confederate capitol resided.
P.S. You want your reparations? You already have them:
-Affirmative Action: A racist practice that gives minority races a priority for positions incorporating race as a factor instead of qualifications. This is EXACTLY what Martin Luther King Jr. fought. This isn't judging by "the content of character, and not by skin."
-United Negro College fund: I've never encountered any other college funding organizations that are allowed to discriminate against any race. This is racism in it's most ugly form: legal racism.
The whole idea that you deserve something because someone wronged your ancestors is simply stupid and ridiculous. If I could prove that someone stole a mule from my great-great-great-grandpa because the thief wrote about it in his diary, should I be allowed to make all parties that didn't bring justice pay me for his mule? This is how stupid you sound when crying for reparations.
+2
Overall a well written post. I'm more concerned with fixing the here and now then dwelling on something that happened years ago. We as a people have been given many opportunities that we never would have had years ago, and quite a number of us continue to foolishly waste these blessings.
However, "forgive, but never forget" is an idea that I've always followed in life as well as in regard to this topic. For those who do not learn from history are eventually doomed to repeat it.
Tofuball 02-25-2007, 11:28 PM + infinity billion
1 bad 7 02-26-2007, 12:51 AM Great post, and I wholeheartedly agree.
jhammons01 02-26-2007, 03:42 PM 100 years ago?
I agree with what you said but the Civil war was over in 1865 and the Emancipation proclamation was in 1863. It has been 144 years since the UNITED STATES had free slavery. Sure the southern states formed the Confederacy but the UNITED STATES over threw them. I guess the Confederates should be the ones making reparations. Go find all the Confederates and hold out your hand and see what you get.
There are direct descendants that still wear the Confederate uniform in Brazil.
http://patsabin.com/lowcountry/confederados.htm
jhammons01 02-26-2007, 03:47 PM http://www.patsabin.com/lowcountry/davidwill.htm
If my negro woman Big Mary or Mary Bryant continues to serve me faithfully, My Executors are hereby authorized and required to give to her daughter Mildred forty acres of land near Stokes, Clarks, or any other place they please so as not to injure the balance of the land, said Mary Bryant and her mother Peg to have the use of one half during the term of their or either of their natural lives, and all until Mildred comes to the age of eighteen or marries.
Alex-7 02-26-2007, 04:17 PM Good post zero.
What bothers me most is this notion that the only group of people who are responsible for, and to be held accountable for the institution of slavery are white americans from the south.
The entire world had been depended upon slavery in all its various forms for it's economic growth since the begining of time. Not just the southern states of america.
The fact is, slavery was an ugly instutution that the world as a whole was in the process of "growing out of" for at least a hundred years before the american civil war. You can't expect a couple thousand years or more of habitual practice to just dissapear over night.
There was a concious decision to ignoor the issue of slavery in the constitution because it would have been far to much on the table at one time. But you can plainley tell by reading any correspondence between the founding fathers of this country that the USA was never intended to be a country of slave holders. Can you imagine if the civil war had broken out six months after the revolutionary war had ended? the country would have fallen apart and probably wouldn't exist as we know it today. In order to properly deal with such an issue it had to be tollerated long enough for the country to get on it's feet. It was the right choice, and we can now say that many more generations of free black men and women have lived under the american flag than enslaved ones. It really is time to stop bitching, like you said.
"forgive, but never forget" ??? When was the last time you heared a German bitching about how he still cant forget the tyrannical oppression of the roman empire 2,000 years ago? we're gonna have to forget sometime. Infact, the idea of any current state government apologizing for slavery is about as rediculous as asking Italy to apologize for any and all brutal acts purpetrated bu the romans. We're all different people now, and as much as it's gonna suck to admit it. There is no one alive who remembers.
There were enslaved blacks in this counrty for about 90 years, and throughout the rest of the world for several thousand years. So I really fail to see how the state of virginia should be able to make anyone feel better by saying sorry.
I say blacks stop looking at the US government as a bunch of slave holders and start acknowledging the fact that this is a government that set an example for the world by abolishing slavery with great social and economic sacrifice to istelf.
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AmishBoy 02-26-2007, 04:44 PM I think they should apologize to me for not rounding them all up after they were freed and sending them back.
Supper 02-26-2007, 05:45 PM I think they should apologize to me for not rounding them all up after they were freed and sending them back.
:werd: x2
Go find all the Confederates and hold out your hand and see what you get.
I really didn't see anyone in this thread make any reference to supporting reparations... so who are you arguing with, or are you just talking about social stupidity in general?
Eatmyclutch 02-26-2007, 07:29 PM Immortal Technique.
jhammons01 02-26-2007, 08:11 PM I really didn't see anyone in this thread make any reference to supporting reparations... so who are you arguing with, or are you just talking about social stupidity in general?
Yes.
I am just spouting my opinion. I agree with you.
$100T2 02-28-2007, 06:10 PM 100 years ago?
I agree with what you said but the Civil war was over in 1865 and the Emancipation proclamation was in 1863. It has been 144 years since the UNITED STATES had free slavery. Sure the southern states formed the Confederacy but the UNITED STATES over threw them. I guess the Confederates should be the ones making reparations. Go find all the Confederates and hold out your hand and see what you get.
There are direct descendants that still wear the Confederate uniform in Brazil.
http://patsabin.com/lowcountry/confederados.htm
I think anyone who owns a confederate flag should have to pay. :)
AmishBoy 02-28-2007, 06:22 PM I think anyone who claims to be a witch should have to pay.
Animal 02-28-2007, 08:48 PM I think anyone who claims to be a witch should have to pay.
Yes, with their life.
AmishBoy 02-28-2007, 10:39 PM http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y175/amishboy/confederate_flag.jpg
Manntis 02-28-2007, 11:14 PM Indiana wants me. Lord, I can't go back there.
Supper 03-01-2007, 08:17 AM Yes, with their life.
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