Play 'The God Simulator'.

http://www.jraxis.com/atheism/simulator/1

If hindsight is 20/20, you'll never be like god. We already know the problems that'll come. If you chose the paths god has chosen, the author will enlighten you with his humor, like these gems:

- Create angels to be Your helpers (even though You are God and really don’t need any help).

- Condemn the humans and their descendants to a life of pain and hardship, as well as an eternity in Hell after death, and allow Lucifer to go free until Judgment Day.

Don't worry. God wont mind if you play this game and have a laugh. There isn't a god to worry about.

Played more of it. Though this line was interesting.

After a couple more millenia, it seems as if some of the humans are having difficulty believing You exist, let alone that Jesus is Your son and was resurrected. The problem seems to be that You have not interacted with humans in any tangible way for quite a few centuries and that all the information humans receive about You comes from a collection of ancient and contradictory manuscripts written in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek and Latin. The humans seem to disagree about how these manuscripts should be interpreted, and this has led to much dispute and even violence.

jesusasschrist!
I laff at the choice if you wanted to ignore the screaming from the damned in hell or turn up the heat.
Just read this one.

As sovereign Lord of the Universe, you can do what you wish. Just remember: as omnipotent caretaker of eternity, you are solely responsible for the suffering and evil which any of your creation suffer. Any God who doesn’t fix the problems he allowed to occur is a deadbeat. Either God does not exist, or he is not worthy of our worship.

Seems kinda preachy...

you mean preaching the word of czar?

You'd be taking credit for arguments that are much older than you are.

At first I kept making heaven and forgiving people, ending in eternal peace. Then I realized that to get to the end you'd have to pick the most fucked up choice every time, and finished the "game" in about 2 min.

Seems more like a joke at organized religion to me, so it wasn't a complete waste of time :blah:

You'd be taking credit for arguments that are much older than you are.

What arguments are you talking about?

At first I kept making heaven and forgiving people, ending in eternal peace. Then I realized that to get to the end you'd have to pick the most fucked up choice every time, and finished the "game" in about 2 min.

Seems more like a joke at organized religion to me, so it wasn't a complete waste of time :blah:

Yeah, it's for kicks. Glad ya liked it. I got bored with it after 2 minutes as well.

how did all of you guys miss this quote??

That God simulator is pretty fucking goddamn accurate! — Bruce Martin, PE

Apparently, professional engineers travel in herds on such topics...

how did all of you guys miss this quote??



Apparently, professional engineers travel in herds on such topics...

lol I missed it for sure. What are your thought on the game? You played it yet? Did you start to snore after two minutes?

What arguments are you talking about?

Ya know, arguments like: "bad things happen, therefore there is no god." The quotes you posted try to be tongue and cheek but you can see what they're getting at.

Ya know, arguments like: "bad things happen, therefore there is no god." The quotes you posted try to be tongue and cheek but you can see what they're getting at.
Ah! I understand. I took me awhile to understand that bad things will happen to ourselves with or without the theory of god existence. Its use is to counter the argument that prayers are answered. Therefore, good things happen to ourselves with or without the theory that god exist.

Ah! I understand. I took me awhile to understand that bad things will happen to ourselves with or without the theory of god existence. Its use is to counter the argument that prayers are answered. Therefore, good things happen to ourselves with or without the theory that god exist.

Hmmm... I don't think that that's how the argument is used, at least not conventionally. You could argue that bad things happen, thus God does not answer prayers, therefore God does not care about us, but this isn't really an effective argument against God's existence.

You're more standard argument would be based on two premises.

First, the God of the Bible is an perfect, loving, good God who is omniponent.

Then, bad things occur in the world.

Put them together and you get, bad things happen, since God is omnipotent, He has the ability to stop these bad things, God doesn't stop bad things, thus God is not good, therefore the God of the Bible does not exist.

Hmmm... I don't think that that's how the argument is used, at least not conventionally. You could argue that bad things happen, thus God does not answer prayers, therefore God does not care about us, but this isn't really an effective argument against God's existence.

You're more standard argument would be based on two premises.

First, the God of the Bible is an perfect, loving, good God who is omniponent.

Then, bad things occur in the world.

Put them together and you get, bad things happen, since God is omnipotent, He has the ability to stop these bad things, God doesn't stop bad things, thus God is not good, therefore the God of the Bible does not exist.
I'm quite embarrassed you have explained it better. I like your reason.

lol

It's not my reason. Like I said, it's an old argument. As is the case with all arguments, it can be beaten.

bad things happen, since God is omnipotent, He has the ability to stop these bad things, God doesn't stop bad things, thus God is not good, therefore the God of the Bible does not exist.

a problem I always have with that arguement is that it seems to assume that the bad stuff happens DESPITE god and he decides, unwillingly, to LET it happen, reactivly.

this game rightfully points out that god CHOOSES the bad stuff, he makes it happen, proactivly.

every arguement supporting god first has to remove god from his position of creator of everything, making someone else responsible for creating the badness, be it satan, eve, or humanity in general, then god can be shown as being FORCED to react to the evil that he did not create.

instead of recognising that the evil was CHOSEN and created by god for his own sick pleasure.

a problem I always have with that arguement is that it seems to assume that the bad stuff happens DESPITE god and he decides, unwillingly, to LET it happen, reactivly.

The argument can be used a couple of ways. You can either say, “God allows bad things to happen, therefore He is not good,” or you can say “God is unable to stop bad things from happening, therefore He is not omnipotent.” Both versions ultimately bring you to the same conclusion. Saying that God unwillingly lets things happen seems to speak from the latter version but I think you’ve muddled the language a bit to obscure what’s being said.

this game rightfully points out that god CHOOSES the bad stuff, he makes it happen, proactivly.

That’s one point of view and it’s one that I haven’t heard too many decent arguments against.

every arguement supporting god first has to remove god from his position of creator of everything, making someone else responsible for creating the badness, be it satan, eve, or humanity in general, then god can be shown as being FORCED to react to the evil that he did not create.

Not true. I could say that evil is simply a subjective interpretation, not a universal standard. This would mean that God bares credit for creating the mind that perceives evil, not evil itself. With a little creativity, one can conjure many exceptions.

instead of recognising that the evil was CHOSEN and created by god for his own sick pleasure.

You say sick pleasure, someone else says glory. What’s interesting is that the answer may not be anywhere in between.

Not true. I could say that evil is simply a subjective interpretation, not a universal standard. This would mean that God bares credit for creating the mind that perceives evil, not evil itself. With a little creativity, one can conjure many exceptions.

there is more than one person.

there can be no evil if there is only one person. evil happens when two or more people interact.

so precreation god could indeed have been perfect and totally good, but when he created OTHER people he created the condition where evil could exist.

the only way the god of the bible could behave as he claims and NOT be evil is if his creation contained no people, just robot toys.

not even slaves, since a slave is a person in bondage.

so for god to be good humanity must be disposable toys, painted eggshells to be crushed for the funny sounds they make.

which the "chosen ones" business points precisely at.





You say sick pleasure,

rightously so, with ample justification from the bible.



someone else says glory. What’s interesting is that the answer may not be anywhere in between.

exactly, so if I am right in the least little bit, I am totally right.
the someone else must be right in EVERY last detail to be even slightly correct.

I am, so the theoretical {banned} he is not.

there is more than one person. there can be no evil if there is only one person.

Agreed.

evil happens when two or more people interact.

Maybe.

so precreation god could indeed have been perfect and totally good, but when he created OTHER people he created the condition where evil could exist.

Wrong. Just as one cannot be evil if they are only one, so is the case that only one cannot be good. Remember your example of perfect good when you used the butterfly, aimlessly flying around? You seem to equate innocence with goodness but the truth is, a butterfly is just as evil as it is good because it is capable of being neither.

the only way the god of the bible could behave as he claims and NOT be evil is if his creation contained no people, just robot toys.

One might argue that that is all we are.

not even slaves, since a slave is a person in bondage.

No, a slave is someone who realizes that they are in bondage. Otherwise, you might also be a slave, shackled in this humanly carcass.

so for god to be good humanity must be disposable toys, painted eggshells to be crushed for the funny sounds they make.

I’ve heard Christians argue that God is good simply by virtue of being God. That seems to speak of some tangent standard of goodness, perhaps one where it is impossible to deviate from such a value. At any rate, you lost've me with that last point.

exactly, so if I am right in the least little bit, I am totally right.
the someone else must be right in EVERY last detail to be even slightly correct.

True, but the odds are really 50/50. Either they are right about God or they are not.