"good" is never good enough, God demands sinless perfection...that is the message of the gospel

by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight

feel free to start a thread in the religion section on this topic if you wish

Ok, I will:)

So, if what your saying is right, aren't we all going to hell? I mean.. No man is perfect.. We all make mistakes, big or small...

Yes we are. All the TFL members will meet in the purgatory and ride out in RX-7's all the way there.

Ok, I will:)

So, if what your saying is right, aren't we all going to hell? I mean.. No man is perfect.. We all make mistakes, big or small...

Yes. We're all born under the curse following the descendents of Adam. There is no longer a way for people to be redeemed through sacrifice at the temple. That doesn't matter it was a template of things to come anyway. The only way fallen man can enter heaven is through the sacrifice of the only person who fulfilled the Law. This man is Jesus.

Well, what YZF said was actually somewhat wrong...

No man is able to achieve perfection, it's part of being human and ultimately flawed upon creation (thanks to Adam and Eve). What YZF most likely meant is that you must have an unshakable faith in God and complete devotion to his will, if you wish to get to heaven at the end of your days.

Going by those standards, the answer to your question is "yes, many of us will fail to meet the mark and will eventually end up in hell".

Well, Yes. We're all born under the curse following the descendents of Adam. There is no longer a way for people to be redeemed through sacrifice at the temple. That doesn't matter it was a template of things to come anyway. The only way fallen man can enter heaven is through the sacrifice of the only person who fulfilled the Law. This man is Jesus.

If you actually belive that, whats the point of living? You strive to live up to God's standards, but it's impossible, because of the way God created us...

Are you waiting for Jesus, so you may sacrifice yourself for him one day?

And why would a perfect God create an imperfect man?

because it manifests God's holiness in ever more stark terms
He made man imperfect to make him self look even better in contrast?

Sorry if I misunderstood what you ment..

hmm, ok.. So you may say that God created man imperfect, with all his desires, as a test?

what I meant is...

So basically, I had it correct... lol

yes
Ok, that would make sense..

What do you think about people who finds fate later on in life?
Do they stand a chance to escape hell?

"finds fate"?

Yes, those who haven't believed in God their entire life.

Related reading: http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/jesusteachingonhell.html

Argue with it, agree, disagree, but it's worth a read.

Sure thing.

False theories of eternal punishment of the wicked have done unfathomable damage in the religious realm. Untold millions of people have obeyed God purely out of fear of a false concept of hell. Other untold millions have turned their backs on God because of a false sense of hell, as described by Roman Catholic sources, and their followers in most denominations.

This study shows that when John the Baptist and Jesus used these terms, they used language familiar to the Jews whom they taught. The Jews had heard this language no other way than in scenes of national judgment. While it is easy for us to read these passages from the point of view of enduring conscious punishment, we should read them as the Jews who heard them first.

Rather than our present day beliefs about hell coming from the Bible, the caller to the radio program was right. Our beliefs come from Roman Catholic theologians. As a result of an earlier version of this material, many have asked the author to deal with the final destiny of the wicked. While we are not prepared to deal with that larger subject at present, we can see, if our conclusions are correct thus far, that the subject of the final destiny of the wicked was never part of Jesus' teaching on Gehenna or hell. That connection was given to us courtesy of Roman Catholicism, just like it gave us purgatory, the sale of indulgences, Limbo Patrum, Limbo Infantrum, etc.