Specifically geared towards the fire n' brimstone ChristiaNazi Bible thumping brow beaters among us;

What difference does it make to you whether I go to Hell or not?
The sociopathic super conservative Christain uber-zealots demonstrate far more passion in their intolerance, condemnation, anger, and scornful, spiteful contemptuous hate towards everyone who does not follow them on their rightious journey along their path to salvation, rather than embracing with compassion those who are unfortuneate enough not to have seen the light of thye the One True God.

...So what gives? Why do any of you pschopaths give a shit? You obviously don't care about the people you routinely condemn, so what difference does it make?
Why try to cram your faith down the throats of the unwilling?
Could not you be doing more damage than good?
Could not you ultimately be responsible for even further souring a mans perspective of God, driving him farther from the path of salvation and lessening his chnaces of awakening some time in the future to see the Light of The Lord?

How do you absolve yourselves from bearing the burden of teaching the way of The Lord in a responsible manner that will be embraced by the unwilling as you shout the fears and pains of retribution at the souls you deem to be outcasted by Him?

How dare you do your faith such an injustice.

Mmmm, yessss...Everything everyone says is lies, lies, lies...cause we all want so much to pretend you're a whack job, not cause we actually believe it.

Firstly, I have never said I hate the gospel. I just have an intense hatred of those who use it as a tool to cast fear into those foolish enough to believe it, or the mindless drones that hide behind it instead of explaining things from their heart (you).

I'm sure you whole heartly believe that people "have to hear the bad news before you can hear the good news." :jerkit:
Smells like bullshit to me. You just don't want to accept the responsibility that comes with the power of the Word of God. But you'll gladly gobble up the idealism that gives you carte blanc to judge all around you as you look down upon them from your high horse perched upon the cliffs of the moral highground.

Answer the fucking questions;
"Why try to cram your faith down the throats of the unwilling?
Could not you be doing more damage than good?
Could not you ultimately be responsible for even further souring a mans perspective of God, driving him farther from the path of salvation and lessening his chances of awakening some time in the future to see the Light of The Lord?"

You're avoiding the subject, which is absolutely pertainant to this subforum, and consequently, you are getting owned by a demon. Again.

Again, you avoid the question and simply hide like a child behind another mindless snippet of the Bible.

You are without courage, without shame, without compassion, and without humility.
A man of God?

...Hardly.

first off, no one "unwillingly' views one of these threads

secondly, the purpose of this sub-forum is discuss religious subjects, and that includes the Bible and the gospel

the truth is, you have no interest in discussing either

When people post religious posts in threads that were not discussing religion, that is a wholly different matter though, is it not?

touche....

Answer the question...

It's not that you won't.
It's that you can't.
I've cornered you into a spot where, pardon the pun, ...you're damned if you don't, and damned if you do. :p

You see, fagots and liberals and all those other sinners cannot be held responsible for a man's choice not to choose the path of the Lord if you cannot be held responsible.
That means that there's no reason what so ever for you or anyone else on Earth to chastise them.

None.
End of story.

But no.
Faith is power for you whack jobs. Trouble is, it's all in your head. ;)

well, I agree with that, but I don't consider the Bible "religion", it's more of a world view

That only dodges my point, so I will rephrase...

When people bring up THE BIBLE and GOD in threads that did not originally have THE BIBLE and GOD as the topic, that is a wholly different matter though, is it not?

touche....

:bigthumb:

ultimately, everyone is responsible for their own actions

there will not be any finger pointing at the judgment, even at the devil....it's just you and God

I agree, and as for finger pointing, I am glad, because some people do enough of that down here on Earth to last ten eternities already...

...Then you are pretty much useless regarding Christianity, aren't you?

The only issues I have any desire to debate with you is your seemingly ill interperetation of God's Word, and how you think He wants you to behave as an exemplary Christian.

I do not have to be as well versed in the Bible as you to recognize a badly behaving ChriaNazi like you, you hate filled closet twinky.

...Filled with all that hateful creamy goodness, mind you. ;)

Is he really just in it for the cream filling??

yzf is the militant soldier of GOD. The lowest bottom feeder of something that might be worthy of being next to god.

God is pure love. He loves all his kids. even guys that take it in da butt.

Let us pray......

Specifically geared towards the fire n' brimstone ChristiaNazi Bible thumping brow beaters among us;

I'll take a stab at this, even though I don't consider myself a ChristianNazi Bible thumping brow beater.

What difference does it make to you whether I go to Hell or not?
The sociopathic super conservative Christain uber-zealots demonstrate far more passion in their intolerance, condemnation, anger, and scornful, spiteful contemptuous hate towards everyone who does not follow them on their rightious journey along their path to salvation, rather than embracing with compassion those who are unfortuneate enough not to have seen the light of thye the One True God.

It makes all the difference in the world. Here are 2 reasons: I am commanded by Christ himself to reach out to everyone and share the gospel message, even those who hate me (I'm not saying anyone here hates me). 2nd as a follower of Christ I have become a new creature, given a heart that becomes more like Christ himself the closer I get to him in spirit. I begin to see people as Christ sees them, in need of a savior. Even those who hate and attack me. Certainly God is working in your life to bring you here to argue with people like Mark. If you're secure in your own destiny, why would you ever engage a bible thumper in religious topics? At some level whether you're willing to admit it or not, something must not be copasetic with how you feel about yourself and God. Let me prove it to you. Do you intently watch commercials for tampons? Probably not. Why not? Is there something about tampons you don't know? Most likely yes. But you don't pay attention to commercials about tampons because it has no effect to you. In the same way if you were completely secure in yourself, you'd feel no need to argue your points with bible thumpers. Work it out.

...So what gives? Why do any of you pschopaths give a shit? You obviously don't care about the people you routinely condemn, so what difference does it make?

I'll agree that Mark comes off a bit rough at times, but at least he's enaging people on the topic. It would be a greater sin if Mark said nothing.

Why try to cram your faith down the throats of the unwilling?

Who's cramming? You describe it as cramming, but really it's offensive. I present the Law to you. It is offensive because it calls you out. It takes away your self righteousness, so that you may see where you stand with God. It humbles your heart.

Could not you be doing more damage than good?

It's possibe, but I haven't read every post to make that judgement.

Could not you ultimately be responsible for even further souring a mans perspective of God, driving him farther from the path of salvation and lessening his chnaces of awakening some time in the future to see the Light of The Lord?

If I present a verse you don't like, and it drives you away from God, oddly it still serves it's purpose. God's word does not return void. Nothing is by chance. Not 1 thing. God is in complete control and it is in his time that all things happen.

How do you absolve yourselves from bearing the burden of teaching the way of The Lord in a responsible manner that will be embraced by the unwilling as you shout the fears and pains of retribution at the souls you deem to be outcasted by Him?

There's no promise that spreading the gospel will be embraced by everyone. People used to get killed for it.

read Romans 1 carefully...see, if the apostle Paul were alive in 2006, people like Dennis Williams, and their ilk, would immediately label him "full of hate" and "devisive"...but they are fools!

Please do not try to flatter yourself by placing yourself in the same position as Paul.....Paul had the guts to bring a sin issue up to those who were involved in it, while you sit behind a computer and cast out scorn from afar, and usually when you do it, you talk ABOUT the person to someone else. That is hardly the same thing.

It makes all the difference in the world. Here are 2 reasons: I am commanded by Christ himself to reach out to everyone and share the gospel message, even those who hate me (I'm not saying anyone here hates me). 2nd as a follower of Christ I have become a new creature, given a heart that becomes more like Christ himself the closer I get to him in spirit. I begin to see people as Christ sees them, in need of a savior. Even those who hate and attack me. Certainly God is working in your life to bring you here to argue with people like Mark. If you're secure in your own destiny, why would you ever engage a bible thumper in religious topics? At some level whether you're willing to admit it or not, something must not be copasetic with how you feel about yourself and God. Let me prove it to you. Do you intently watch commercials for tampons? Probably not. Why not? Is there something about tampons you don't know? Most likely yes. But you don't pay attention to commercials about tampons because it has no effect to you. In the same way if you were completely secure in yourself, you'd feel no need to argue your points with bible thumpers. Work it out.

If it were an ordinary "bible-thumper", you would have a point. However, most people who get into these threads with Mark do not do so because they are arguing against God. They do so because they are arguing against hypocrisy, dishonesty, and plenty of other things.

Tell me, what good at all would a messenger of God be if he openly and maliciously sins, and then cannot even be honest in the face of that sin? Do you think that is an appropriate way to represent God? Please understand that these are simply objective questions and not intended to insult anyone.

I'll agree that Mark comes off a bit rough at times, but at least he's enaging people on the topic. It would be a greater sin if Mark said nothing.

He is engaging the wrong people on the wrong topic. Tell me, what good would it do for you to counsel an adulterer on the sins involved with alcoholism? Would you counsel someone who struggles with masturbation by saying "thou shalt not steal"? My point is this--in order to appropriately confront error, you must first pick the correct error that the person is committing. You must then show compassion and humility when confronting that error. The purpose of confronting such error in the eyes of God is to educate people on that error and to help them find a better way, is it not? How does boasting about someone else's errors or posting only to shame them accomplish this?

there is only one way to teach someone that God is a loving and merciful god--and that is to be loving and merciful yourself. If you heap shame onto people at your leisure, you fail at the task God gave you. There is certainly a time for shame, but when you are the messenger of God, you are not the one who gets to decide that for others.

Also, as in the "homosexuals" thread going on right now, what good does it do to post about the sin of being gay to a bunch of straight people? If you have an issue with what someone in NYC does, that is where your counsel needs to be heard, not on here, am I right? To talk about people only behind their backs is not counseling--it is cowardice.

Who's cramming? You describe it as cramming, but really it's offensive. I present the Law to you. It is offensive because it calls you out. It takes away your self righteousness, so that you may see where you stand with God. It humbles your heart.

You may well do as you say. That was specifically directed at someone else who uses, shall we say, far different tactics than you do. Simply presenting the Word in the manner God intended would offend far less people than what has occured, believe me.

It's possibe, but I haven't read every post to make that judgement.

Allow me to help you, in that case....these are some of the most recent ones that Mark has graced us with....

"case closed" you are a malicious gossip, liar, and complete asshole?

indeed....

now, let's see you keep your word and not respond to that

you might fool a few people on the internet, but you aren't fooling God, and you aren't fooling me...the FACT remains, from your first post directed at me several years ago, you were looking to pick a fight, you NEVER have anything worthwhile to say about religious issues....why? simple: you're straight out of hell....you follow the same example as Lucifer himself: accusations, deception, gloating in depravity....you are absolutely worthless

When I have more time, I will post up the comments he used to try to justify viewing pornography, and claiming that as long as he was not lusting it was acceptable. Now you know, at least a tiny bit....that may help you understand the comments others are making.

If I present a verse you don't like, and it drives you away from God, oddly it still serves it's purpose. God's word does not return void. Nothing is by chance. Not 1 thing. God is in complete control and it is in his time that all things happen.

If you present that verse in a manner that shows anger and contempt, are you more or less likely to find someone willing to listen?

There's no promise that spreading the gospel will be embraced by everyone. People used to get killed for it.

All the more reason why the question I just asked you is so important.

YZF is slowly assuming the role of GOD.

Him and many others that havedents marks on their heads from thumping the bible.

GOD must be on vacation.

the sad thing is that he is quick to make assumptions and judgement of others. A trait often found in those that read too much of the fairy tale written by mentally ill followers of GOD that had visions and heard voices in their heads.

what about me?

*gets ready to use mod powers (editting for example)*

but u sound like u want us to answer to u, right my love?

Here, Dennis, I'll answer the question for you.

"Why do you (Christians) care about the fate of others souls?"

Simple, and it is accordance with my hypothesis titled "The Self Importance of Being Christian".

It's not really that they "care" about others souls, per se. They honestly don't care if you go to Heaven or not. They don't care if you burn in hell or not. Sure, Mark will claim he does, but really, he couldn't give two shits.

The reason why you and I, and all the other heretics, must be converted is because their religion depends on it. It's not about worshipping Dog. It's about being right. It's not enough that Mark believes in Dog. You and I must believe too. It's not enough that Mark believes that Christianity is the true path and the only way into Heaven, it has to be the only way. And, it's not Mark's or any other Christians fault that they feel this way: The Church has conditioned them to believe it's the truth. Then, when you believe it's The Truth and The Only Possible Way, you get afraid of not getting the right Wonka Bar with the Golden Ticket. And you then get afraid for friends, family, even strangers. You want them to get into the Pearly Gates as well, so you preach to them. "You must join and be saved!" they say. And of course, the Church wants them to feel this way, because that's how the Church gets financed. If there were other ways into the Kingdom of Heaven, then what would Mark et al need the church for? There wouldn't be any members, and that means no donations, no pews, no organs, no pretty stained windows, etc, so on and so forth.

That's why they care. That's why they try to get more members. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Christianity isn't a religion, it's a business. You can go to any church in the country, and there's only one thing that is consistent in every single service: The passing of the collection plate.

for the record, i wouldn't go as far as degrading GOD to DOG.

I'm religious, just don't buy into human's alledged visions and interpretation of the "word" of GOD (ie- YZF, or anyone else brand of religon).

Why?

because it does satan's job of creating drama and subsequently a rift with people that sincerely believe in GOD and............ peace.

This is where YZF and his likes in both christian, jihadist, and zionist create this uncalled for drama and chaos that I don't buy.

I'm not degrading God by typing Dog. I would just rather type Dog than God.

and urs.......

....did God not know what he was doing when he allowed Satan to roam free?

He has.

Bin Laden, hitler, stalin, the list of famous and not so famous names goes on and on.

Not to mention the least, evlidence of chaos and alledged christians, zionists and jihadists, like urself that would have no problem with breaking at least one of the 10 commandments (killing) in the name of GOD.

such irony.........

it shows your true attitude, though

Whatever... You want me to show your religion respect when you keep calling any religion that isn't Christian "satanic", "demonic", "lies", etc? Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit. You want respect, you need to show respect.

honestly, if someone referred to Christianity as evil or satnic it wouldn't phase me a bit, because I know it isn't true

I think you know witchcraft is satanic

LOL. When are you going to realize "Satan" is a uniquely Christian/Catholic concept? There is no "Satan" or "Devil" in the Craft. The only evil truly lies in the hearts of man.

Anytime you want to have a real, legitimate, open-minded discussion of witchcraft, let me know. That goes for anyone here. So far, everything you know about it (and I use the word "know" very, very loosely) comes from Christian websites, who again, want you to think Christianity is the only way to be, and everything else is wrong, bad, evil, etc.

Lol

fine, post away about what witchcraft means to you, then, I'll listen

LOL.

See, that's the difference between us... You want to pontificate about Christianity, where Witchcraft is such a private relationship that I'm willing to answer questions, but not really volunteer much.

this is funny.

If u don't buy into his brand of thump 110%, u must be practicing satanic dance.

BTW, 3 people have pissed me off and I have givng them satanic curse with the hand jesture and chanted 666.

All 3 are dead.

1 from cancer that came outta nowhere. 5 golfball nodes
second from bike accident on his interceptor
3rd from commiting suicide (he was banging my cousin)

my "christian" friends are afraid of me.

simple question, isn't it? what does witchcraft mean to you? what does it do for you? what happens after death in your belief system?

Actually, no, none of those are simple questions.

Here, we'll get to the one that means the most to you first: What happens after death? You go to the "afterlife". You call it heaven, some witches call it "The Summerland", I call it "where you go after death". What's it like? I have no idea. I can venture lots of guesses, just like you can guess about what Heaven is like, but nobody knows 'til they get there. I'll tell you this, though: My dogs will be there. :)

What does it "do" for me? Nothing. It doesn't "do" anything for me. Witchcraft is symbiotic. It's mutually beneficial. You get out of it what you put into it. No, witchcraft won't make me win the Lottery. No, it won't cure cancer or other diseases. I've explained this before, but I'll restate it... Spells and Magick are basically prayer, just far more ceremonialized. Rather than one "God" figure, there are Gods, Goddesses, other deities... You generally find one or two whom you identify with or are drawn to, again, it's completely personal, and that is basically the "face" of God you deal with. I believe I said to you before that "God" is powerful enough to present him/her/itself to all people in individual ways, and that the "God/Goddess" that a witch is pledged to is the same unique energy as the God of the Bible, the Allah of the Muslims, etc. I think it all comes from the same source, you just see a different side based on your own personal views.

Now, what do I like about witchcraft, and why is it the proper fit for me, rather than Christianity/Catholocism/Islam, etc? Simple. Choice. In witchcraft, you can do whatever you want, based solely on your judgment. Now, before you say "As it harm none, do as you please", that is the Wiccan Rede... Wicca is somewhat similar, but is NOT the same as witchcraft. To combine the two is like saying Catholocism is the exact same thing as Christianity. So, like I was saying... In the Craft, you can do pretty much whatever you want. If you are inherently evil, then you will be an inherently evil witch, just like you'd be an inherently evil Christian, Muslim, etc. Yes, it's true that many witches believe what you try to do/cast/influence onto others will come back on you three fold... That's the Rule of Three, and for the most part, all witches take that very, very seriously. But, like all rules, sometimes it needs to be broken, and it is up to the witch or coven to determine on a case by case basis if something is significant enough to warrant such a decision. Usually, there are ways to deal with a problem or issue that can avoid negativity, and thus you are working around the rule rather than breaking it.

Then again, every now and then you just gotta hex somebody. If, however, the motives are impure, watch out. Karma will kick your ass.

That's what I like about Witchcraft. I can have a 100% personal relationship with it, determine the course it will take for me, and it doesn't need to toe the line of the wants/needs/actions/intentions of others. I don't need someone to stand behind a pulpit and issue decrees about what something means or how the Gods or Goddesses are meant to be taken. I decide based on my knowledge, feelings, intuition and judgment, not on those of others.

I could go on for pages and pages, but that's a very simple opening to the discussion.

If u don't buy into his brand of thump 110%, u must be practicing satanic dance.


And that is part of the "Self-Importance of Being Christian" I was talking about before.

coincidence that it all happened in 6 months time.........

u use alot of 80's vocabulary.

thanks for the post kev-dog

No problem.

thanks, captain obvious........

YZF= satan's agent.

How? Why?

In order to drive away membership from following God, agents of satan have a more clever approach where they make bible thumpers look like nut cases.

By doing so, less and less people will appreciate's God's true words.

where did I say that I "hate" the bible?

u better find some specific quotes before Istart fucking with ur shit. Last time i flexed my powers u started to cry.

havin an opinion is one thing. bullshitting what others are saying is another, esp. whe it's BATMAN ur dealing with.

irrelevent and weak.

But if u insist, Pastor Mark Strong. When I was young, he would always insist that I prey in and on his lap.

U make ur self easy.......

the way you described it, witchcraft does sound very similar to wiccan (and satanism) in that it's basically a "do what you will" religion, which, by the way, is the satanist creedo

I do mean a different type of freedom. Satanism is generally a "do whatever you want, and rebel against the mainstream." Witchcraft is more of a "do whatever you want, but use your goddamn head." Perfect example: Suppose you were suffering from some sort of disease. I would not take it upon myself to cast a spell for your recovery without your consent. I actually wouldn't offer it or recommend it, but if you asked I would definitely be willing to do one. Satanists wouldn't give a fuck if you lived or died, and wouldn't be willing to offer any sort of assistance. And, you'll find almost every real Witch would tell you the same thing. You don't interfere with ANYONE else's freedom, life, decisions, whatever, unless specifically asked. Witches do NOT meddle.

There isn't a single thing I do that could in any way, shape, or form be considered along the lines of Devil worship, Satanic ritual, or anything even remotely dark. Sure, you need to know about the dark side of everything. To know Christ, you definitely need to know of Satan, right? To know witchcraft, you need to know of the dark arts, but you don't need to practice them. Sure, to you, anything NOT Christian must, by definition, be Satanic. But, since I know no Satan or devil, then that definition cannot apply by my rules. Again, there is no "evil" side of Witchcraft. There's stuff that is on the "go ahead and do it" side, and there is stuff on the "enter at your own risk" side, but it's always a personal decision. You decide what you will and won't do, and the consequences are yours and yours alone. There's no character waving an apple, offering you riches, etc.

that's really nothing more than hedonism or existentialism, then....satan doesn't exist, God doesn't exist, or has no concern with humanity, so do what you will, but be smart about it (?) aside from the chants and spells I think 90% of the population would go along with that and lives that way

No, no, no. I never said some form of God doesn't exist. There is a higher power in Witchcraft, it's just not the Christian God.

I wasn't talking about me, I knew you would mis-read it that way...of course I'm not a pastor

I'm just wondering if there in any pastor on this earth you wouldn't immediately label a worthless "Bible thumper"? (rhetorical question of course)

Ok, I'll give you one:

http://library.lts.org/faculty/potterveld/potterveld.htm

This was the first pastor at the Church I went to from age 7-18. He left when I was in my early teens. Smart, smart, smart, great guy. I still totally respect him. Great all around person. I used to be good friends with his son, my older brother was good friends with his older son, his wife Tara was a sign language interpreter, which is what I ended up doing for a while... Just a great guy.

but this mystical "higher power" is obscure/subjective, and doesn't really have any impact on how you live your life...correct?

Of course it has an impact on my life. You need to go back an re-read what I told you before, Mark. I honestly believe there is only ONE higher power, it just has many facets, to make itself accessible to everyone in a very personal way. My Goddess is the same as your God, the presentation is different.

how?

Because it's a part of who I am, just like how your God is a part of who you are. While I don't spend every waking moment thinking that "Gee, I'm a witch" where it seems your thoughts are always revolving around your religion, the fact that I'm a witch permeates everything I do.

Another interesting thing about Witchcraft... True witches, and I'm not talking about the morons that go around dressing goth trying to be outcasts to fit in, but real, true witches know if someone else is a witch. They don't need to ask, don't need bumper stickers, don't need an announcement... We just know. Like attracts like. The moment I met my GF, I knew she was a witch. She hadn't even fully realized it yet, and I didn't say anything about me being one or thinking she was. She was headed on the path anyway, but the minute I saw her, I knew she was a witch. You are what you are... No conversion necessary.

that's good to hear (about the pastor)

And if you clicked that link, you can see he's a pretty serious scholar. The great thing about Riess was that he was incredibly knowledgeable about the Bible, but didn't actually refer to it during sermons or during talks. Sure, he would use the religious motives, but he didn't have to quote it to teach from it. The guy who replaced him is a decent guy, but not nearly the scholar or speaker Riess was. You knew where he was coming from, obviously, because he was a Christian pastor, but he didn't need to shove it in your face.

That's why they care. That's why they try to get more members. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Christianity isn't a religion, it's a business. You can go to any church in the country, and there's only one thing that is consistent in every single service: The passing of the collection plate.

Dude, you've been to some crappy churches if all they want is money.

For the last two years, it was my hobby to go to different churches and see how different groups of people handled it. I have to say, I learned a lot, and I can tell you, the 'collection plate' is not a very common element.

I'd say about 30% or so of the churches I've been to even had one.

I do mean a different type of freedom. Satanism is generally a "do whatever you want, and rebel against the mainstream."


It is the first part of the above statement that makes the difference, the "do whatever you want" or "do what feels right" or "Follow your heart."

Satanism likes it when you follow the mainstream, and sometimes when you don't.

you do believe in spirits then, right? but not demons?

Spirits as in holy spirits, spirits as in "I see dead people", or otherwise?

Again, demons are related to Satan or the Devil, and there is no such entity in Witchcraft.

that is very strange....so much for exegesis

No, it was nice. He would use the teachings, but would relate it in ways that didn't depend strictly on the Bible. You see, anyone who can read can read the Bible. He chose to show the ways in which God can be found now, in the things you see and do daily.

Dude, you've been to some crappy churches if all they want is money.

For the last two years, it was my hobby to go to different churches and see how different groups of people handled it. I have to say, I learned a lot, and I can tell you, the 'collection plate' is not a very common element.

I'd say about 30% or so of the churches I've been to even had one.

My friend, every single church has a budget, and that budget needs to be accounted for. Whether it's by people filling out pledge cards, mailing a check every month, or the collection plate, trust me, the number one thing on those people's mind is paying the bills to keep the doors open, the roof up and the lights on, just like it is at any business or anyone's house.


It is the first part of the above statement that makes the difference, the "do whatever you want" or "do what feels right" or "Follow your heart."

Satanism likes it when you follow the mainstream, and sometimes when you don't.

And again, I'm not a Satanist, and am offended that you should choose to lump me in with something that, in my world, does not exist.

My friend, every single church has a budget, and that budget needs to be accounted for. Whether it's by people filling out pledge cards, mailing a check every month, or the collection plate, trust me, the number one thing on those people's mind is paying the bills to keep the doors open, the roof up and the lights on, just like it is at any business or anyone's house.

Hardly the first thing on peoples minds. ESPECIALLY when you go to a traditional church. No, I dont' mean traditional like a Catholic church, I mean traditional like one that is held in somones livingroom.

And again, I'm not a Satanist, and am offended that you should choose to lump me in with something that, in my world, does not exist.

I wasnt lumping you as a Satanist, I was just adding to your statement about them.

One of the only 'judgements' I find myself making about people these days is "wow, he's just like I was"

invisible spirit beings of any kind

Sure. You believe in Angels don't you? Same thing, different name.

Hardly the first thing on peoples minds. ESPECIALLY when you go to a traditional church. No, I dont' mean traditional like a Catholic church, I mean traditional like one that is held in somones livingroom.

Yeah, but then, if it's held in someone's living room, who made that person expert enough to teach? I've met people who claimed they were "experts" in things, and it's all a bunch of bullshit to try to build themselves up. There was this guy who worked at a metaphysical store who told me that he "was head of a coven," and that my (at the time) wife and I "should apply to join it, there are two openings." She took one look at him and said, "He creeps me out." I had said the exact same thing to myself. Talking the talk, and walking the walk are two completely different things, and I'm sure it's just as true on the Christian side as it is on the Craft side. Hell, Mark talks about false prophets all the time.

I wasnt lumping you as a Satanist, I was just adding to your statement about them.

One of the only 'judgements' I find myself making about people these days is "wow, he's just like I was"

I personally think Satanists, Devil worshippers, etc, are all full of shit, so I'm glad I'm not being lumped in. They rank just above the alien fanatics who hang out by Area 51.

Here's the inside of the church I went to as a kid.... Tell me they aren't worried about the budget.

http://www.northridgechurch.net/images/wedding/aisle6a.jpg

Yeah, but then, if it's held in someone's living room, who made that person expert enough to teach? I've met people who claimed they were "experts" in things, and it's all a bunch of bullshit to try to build themselves up. There was this guy who worked at a metaphysical store who told me that he "was head of a coven," and that my (at the time) wife and I "should apply to join it, there are two openings." She took one look at him and said, "He creeps me out." I had said the exact same thing to myself. Talking the talk, and walking the walk are two completely different things, and I'm sure it's just as true on the Christian side as it is on the Craft side. Hell, Mark talks about false prophets all the time.

Wow, you get the fact that they are bad teachers by the fact they teach out of a living room? I dont even see how those things are related! I've found more frequently the established 'preachers' and 'experts' are the ones who fail . . .

Not that ALL fail, or that even MOST fail, but just that it is more frequent of the 'established', money-collecting groups.

Sure, it happens sometimes that a livingroom church has a bad teacher/pastor/whatever, but usually, these people were QUITE good, and well versed.

Twice, I went to a church in a man's basement, I'll say it was one of the top churches I've been to.

Here's the inside of the church I went to as a kid.... Tell me they aren't worried about the budget.

http://www.northridgechurch.net/images/wedding/aisle6a.jpg

Dude, just cuz you went to some place more concerned with biulding some gigantic biulding then the needs of the poor, doesnt mean they are all like that.

Wow, you get the fact that they are bad teachers by the fact they teach out of a living room? I dont even see how those things are related! I've found more frequently the established 'preachers' and 'experts' are the ones who fail . . .

Nope, I never said it was a fact that they were bad teachers, I said who pronounced them expert enough to teach? I'm a witch, and I help fellow witches who ask me to and it's a subject I feel well enough about to chime in on, but for the most part I defer them to someone else...

Not that ALL fail, or that even MOST fail, but just that it is more frequent of the 'established', money-collecting groups.

Sure, it happens sometimes that a livingroom church has a bad teacher/pastor/whatever, but usually, these people were QUITE good, and well versed.

Twice, I went to a church in a man's basement, I'll say it was one of the top churches I've been to.

Hey, I'm not arguing with you... I'm just sayin' that there are bad eggs, apples, oranges and bananas out there... Not to mention the nuts. :)

Dude, just cuz you went to some place more concerned with biulding some gigantic biulding then the needs of the poor, doesnt mean they are all like that.

First off, I don't give two shits about the "needs of the poor". I am a big believer in charity and handouts being some of the biggest mistakes in the history of mankind. Second, why do you keep calling me 'dude'? Third, I actually always liked the design of the church itself, pretty cool to go to a Christian pyramid. :D

bx,

jon has a long history of malicious attacks and false accusations, I never once supported viewing pornography, complete nonsense....he'll most likely links to my few posts in the "sex and relationships" section as "proof" for his case, but if you read what I posted, nothing supports his worthless claims....he himself, meanwhile, is a raging pervert, posting foul diatribe on these forums for years

also, contrary to another mindless jonnie accusation, I never "put myself on the level of the apotle Paul", that was NOT the point of my post

jon is a psychopath....he purposely mis-reads everything I post in his intense hatred for me....same old stuff jon

Really??? So what you said was a lie? Are you seriously telling me right now that you NEVER claimed that your comments about someone's "butt and rack" were ok because you were not lusting? I made that up? HMMM.....then what is this?

--THIS is your original comment:

http://www.theforumlounge.com/showpost.php?p=76509&postcount=11

--THIS is where someone asked you if it was a sin to be looking at such things:

http://www.theforumlounge.com/showpost.php?p=76511&postcount=12

--and THIS is your reply:

http://www.theforumlounge.com/showpost.php?p=76512&postcount=13

AND I QUOTE:

nah....God created the female body, it's a thing of beauty...well, a few are

lust IS a sin, but I'm not lusting after this chick

Mark, please show me the scripture that says it is ACCEPTABLE TO GOD for a single man to view pornography FOR ANY REASON. Let's see how long it takes you to realize that there is no such scripture....

This is really very simple--you entered the sex section. You viewed pics of naked women--i.e., PORNOGRAPHY. You then commented about said pics. And then, when asked if that was a sin, you said NO. You said that LUST was the sin and you were not lusting. Is it not true that ANY act involving anything of a sexual nature, including merely looking at a "butt and rack", falls into the category that God has called IMMORAL SEXUAL BEHAVIOR? What is your next excuse? That you were comparing her "rack" to your own???

And THEN, you can give me the apology I deserve after this latest dishonest attack from you. Any questions? I think that is entirely fair....

By the way, when you toss around words like "psychopath", "malicious", "mindless", you sould really try looking in a mirror first. Tell us, who was it that challenged me to break my word a couple weeks ago when I promised not to play your game? Who was it that tried everything he could to GOAD ME INTO SIN? And you call yourself a CHRISTIAN??? Here, lets all take a look, shall we??

keep trying jon, I'll run over you like an M1 tank crushing a moth....every time

brian just pm'd me about you, asshole

I'm gonna nail you to the wall


And then, when I posted that I was not going to continue your line of crap, this was your take:

"case closed" you are a malicious gossip, liar, and complete asshole?

indeed....

now, let's see you keep your word and not respond to that

What kind of "real" christian tries to GOAD PEOPLE INTO SINNING? Anyone got a clue there?? I sure dont...

Since that time, I have left you alone. Not one curse. Not one insult. NOTHING like the garbage you puke out in here regularly. But you have since continued to be the Mark that so many people here and elsewhere have zero respect for....since that last post you made to me, on 6/14, this has been your contribution to these forums:

From earlier today--

no, those destined for hell, such as yourself....

Yesterday--

I'm smarter than you and a better man than you....

Isnt this the same Mark that has so many times proclaimed that HE NEVER SAYS HE IS BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE? HMMM....

Here's an interesting one....

http://www.theforumlounge.com/showpost.php?p=96991&postcount=35

the claim that I post about people "burning in the lake of fire" is completely unsubstantiated

What does this say about your character, when we see that earlier today, you did in fact say precisely that to someone in this forum?? HMMM....

so, let's think about this for a while....here you are, trying to convince yet someone else that YOU are in the right, and I am "demonic, psychotic, blah blah blah"....but once again, just using your own words, I show you lying about your actions.....why is that, if you are the victim all the time, champ? HMMM....

Oh, and before you try to rehash that old, worn-out "you were supposed to forget the past!!!!" garbage, THIS IS THE PRESENT I AM REFERRING TO. Just within the last couple days, I have caught you lying again about what you do/do not say in here. WHEN WILL YOU EVER BE HONEST?

thats about all I expected from you--someone points out lies and hypocrisy, and you try to blow it off. you still have yet to answer the questions....I wont hold my breath

I wasn't talking about me, I knew you would mis-read it that way...of course I'm not a pastor

I'm just wondering if there in any pastor on this earth you wouldn't immediately label a worthless "Bible thumper"? (rhetorical question of course)


NIce segway into my point that ur NOT a pastor, priest (or whatever the fuck they call it these days). SInce ur not even close (and u have not acted as a "good" christian, perhaps u should STFU.

U GOT NO credible credentials as a christian.

U eChristian (internet thumper).

Catholics vs. Christians in a christ-believing civil war (sorta like sunnis vs. shiates), Catholics will win.

They bang more often (thanks to the latinos) and can replace more soldiers.

Alot of mafias are tied to being Catholics.

Hence YZF would be chicken shit up against the GOD father.

Quote:
I'm smarter than you and a better man than you....

Dang.....you're gonna go to hell for that.

Quote:
I'm smarter than you and a better man than you....

Dang.....you're gonna go to hell for that.

See, he believes that it's the truth, therefore, it's not a sin. Twisted logic.

*sigh*
I eagerly await your demise, Mark.
You represent all that I hate in humanity.

First off, I don't give two shits about the "needs of the poor". I am a big believer in charity and handouts being some of the biggest mistakes in the history of mankind. Second, why do you keep calling me 'dude'? Third, I actually always liked the design of the church itself, pretty cool to go to a Christian pyramid. :D

Woh, dude! Cuz, you're the dude! :D

Sometimes, when you are in a third world country, and you see kids who had no way of making it, with no fathers because they all run off drinking with other women, and even the dads who stay cant be fathers cuz the princes of this land work them so hard they can never come home . . . even when they barely make enough to feed themselves . . . you realize they need help, they can't do it on their own.

Went down there with a pastor, setting up a machine shop so they, the parents, can work, sell the stuff to the US and share the profit with the workers who made it possable. Given room to advance and teaching skills they can use . . . No handouts, makin jobs that pay well. While he uses the profits off his work to biuld the orphanage . . .

Is this man's treasure biult up on earth? Or in heaven?
Is this good fruit, or bad?

Woh, dude! Cuz, you're the dude! :D

Sometimes, when you are in a third world country, and you see kids who had no way of making it, with no fathers because they all run off drinking with other women, and even the dads who stay cant be fathers cuz the princes of this land work them so hard they can never come home . . . even when they barely make enough to feed themselves . . . you realize they need help, they can't do it on their own.

Ever read "Atlas Shrugged"?

Went down there with a pastor, setting up a machine shop so they, the parents, can work, sell the stuff to the US and share the profit with the workers who made it possable. Given room to advance and teaching skills they can use . . . No handouts, makin jobs that pay well. While he uses the profits off his work to biuld the orphanage . . .

Is this man's treasure biult up on earth? Or in heaven?
Is this good fruit, or bad?

Again, ever read "Atlas Shrugged"? :D

What's Atlas Shrugged? If you don't want to inform me its cool, I'm just feeling lazy today, I'll look it up sometime.

Fred

What's Atlas Shrugged? If you don't want to inform me its cool, I'm just feeling lazy today, I'll look it up sometime.

Fred

It's a book by Ayn Rand, written in the 50's. Go to your local library and read it. It's about 900 pages, it's a novel, but it's really a philosophy book, and one of the key points is that charity, while supposedly noble, is really part of the reasons for the demise of society. And, if you look around, that's true: Look at all the handouts around, and see how lazy they make people. Welfare, food stamps, etc. Then, look at Africa... People have been starving there for years and years, and we keep sending money and food... The money gets stolen by the despots running the country, and the food let's them survive until the next time we send them more food. All that money and work of others, handed away freely, so that the people with their hands out can keep their hands out... That is truly evil.

I've made this point in my political thread, but let me reiterate it: The US has a deficit. We are spending more than we bring in, and we can't afford to do things like, oh, war in Iraq, foreign aid, be the world's policeman... You don't see me maxing out my credit card to feed every house on my block except mine, now do you?

are we not all sinners saved by grace?

No, we're not.

and who does? are we not all sinners saved by grace?


u keep digging urself a deeper hole, don't ya?

can anyone see where I'm going with this?

where did i boost about porking underage gals?

It's a book by Ayn Rand, written in the 50's. Go to your local library and read it. It's about 900 pages, it's a novel, but it's really a philosophy book, and one of the key points is that charity, while supposedly noble, is really part of the reasons for the demise of society. And, if you look around, that's true: Look at all the handouts around, and see how lazy they make people. Welfare, food stamps, etc. Then, look at Africa... People have been starving there for years and years, and we keep sending money and food... The money gets stolen by the despots running the country, and the food let's them survive until the next time we send them more food. All that money and work of others, handed away freely, so that the people with their hands out can keep their hands out... That is truly evil.

I've made this point in my political thread, but let me reiterate it: The US has a deficit. We are spending more than we bring in, and we can't afford to do things like, oh, war in Iraq, foreign aid, be the world's policeman... You don't see me maxing out my credit card to feed every house on my block except mine, now do you?

Sounds like a good read. I'll look into it, I've been wanting something interesting to read lately.

http://www.theforumlounge.com/showpost.php?p=97309&postcount=11

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hades12
16 is legal right? How many have you bagged so far?



12 or 18,

But good ol' Bush signed a bill stating that any US citizens are barred form porking under 18 in any country regardless of their laws.

They can prosecute once u come back to the states.........


Where?

what do u think i meant by 12 or 18?

Was I answering the first question or the second?

Were the questions answered in sequence?

U'll have to do better than that, or in life u can get urself in trouble with slander suits.

I'm rather dissapointed in not only a religious sucker, but someone that probably consumed soooo much red meat with prions, that he has gradually showed early signs of dementia.

How are the voices in ur head?

:owned:

12 or 18 girls is how I read it

you can get in trouble by having sex with promiscuous girls...it's called contracting an STD, "protected" or not....maybe you already carry one and don't know it yet


OK, now ur back peddling on ur claim (or avoiding the topic directly - no surprise here) that I porked underage gals.

Hades asked a question of age and I answered it with the Bush comment.

The parasites in ur head getting louder?

BTW, don't worry about STD and me.

We'll never fuck or exchange partners.

U'll die of prostate cancer before i die of anything sexual.

to be fair to yzf, it was easy to read that the wrong way.

sorry if I don't read your warped posts that carefully, you're right, you were referring to the first question, but your posts are so loony most of the time it's hard to take them seriously


Funny, we've been saying the same about u.

wanna post and let' get a vote on who is the loony?

Coming from u, it's a compliment.......

NEXT!

just for an inbreed like u.......

just for an inbreed like u.......

:smacktalk:

Sorry, I just wanted to use the smily :)

chicken shit.......

the busted as M1 tank that can't move.

What a child.
Mark you're like a little 8 year old bully. Makes me wanna kick yer fuckin teeth right in.

ruh roh--here we go again...the infamous "I could kick your ass in a wheelchair" Marky doll is about to make its next appearance....(grabs popcorn)

Before that happens, let's all take a look at the brand new sticky up top. :)

oh you wish you could! easy to say on the internet, huh? where would your big words be if you ever met me in person?

you're a complete joke in every way

You'd turn the other cheek? Or "live by the sword?"

oh you wish you could! easy to say on the internet, huh? where would your big words be if you ever met me in person?

you're a complete joke in every way

how about me?

complete joke or partial joke?

u get to choose only one of us since ur already outnumbered....

there is some devil that is the joker........ got a name?