Basically the bomb explodes and sends out molten copper that supposedly penetrates tank armour like no problem.

whats IED? no pics batman?

whats IED? no pics batman?
Improvised Explosive Device

http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/imgs/ied.jpg
http://schadenfreude.cogitox.com/images/IED.jpg

Basically the bomb explodes and sends out molten copper that supposedly penetrates tank armour like no problem.
I don't think copper is used...copper is a soft metal. I imagine nails and stainless-steel ball bearings are used, but it could be anything and it varies.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/intro/ied.htm

ahh... i see... didnt the news say they used nails and things alike in the London bombing? werent IED's used?

It’s not as bad as the news media make it like. The majority of times the armor protect the crew. Unless the tank is underneath it there is very little chance it will penetrate the armor. Armor humvee is different matter but more crew die from the armor Humvee rolling over then the IE that hit it. IE for the most part is not the main threat to US troops. RPG 7 is what kills a lot crew in armor vehicles. The RPG 7 is capable of out right destroying tanks and armored vehicles to a point that US up-armor to counter the RPG 7 threat. You might see armor vehicle that have cage fence surrounding it. The cage is design to protect the vehicle from RPG 7. When the RPG 7 hit the cage it will detonate leaving the main armor vehicle with little or no damage.

That's some wild stuff. Pretty smart idea to make a fence around the tank to detonate the RPG's

It’s not as bad as the news media make it like. The majority of times the armor protect the crew. Unless the tank is underneath it there is very little chance it will penetrate the armor. Armor humvee is different matter but more crew die from the armor Humvee rolling over then the IE that hit it. IE for the most part is not the main threat to US troops. RPG 7 is what kills a lot crew in armor vehicles. The RPG 7 is capable of out right destroying tanks and armored vehicles to a point that US up-armor to counter the RPG 7 threat. You might see armor vehicle that have cage fence surrounding it. The cage is design to protect the vehicle from RPG 7. When the RPG 7 hit the cage it will detonate leaving the main armor vehicle with little or no damage.
nice.. but i remember seeing a giant 4 wheel truck somewhere... steel wheels and the udnerbody is like the sharp side of the knife. it defelcts explosions.. its for sweeping land mines... by running over them lol.

It’s not as bad as the news media make it like. The majority of times the armor protect the crew. Unless the tank is underneath it there is very little chance it will penetrate the armor. Armor humvee is different matter but more crew die from the armor Humvee rolling over then the IE that hit it. IE for the most part is not the main threat to US troops. RPG 7 is what kills a lot crew in armor vehicles. The RPG 7 is capable of out right destroying tanks and armored vehicles to a point that US up-armor to counter the RPG 7 threat. You might see armor vehicle that have cage fence surrounding it. The cage is design to protect the vehicle from RPG 7. When the RPG 7 hit the cage it will detonate leaving the main armor vehicle with little or no damage.

That's just not true. While RPGs do pose a major threat (2nd most dangerous), the #1 killer of troops in Iraq has been IEDs.

so is there a way to scan those IEDs? so they wont blow you up?

IDE is very easy to detect. The fact is that even if the IDE exploded it won't kill the majority IDE is very easy to detect and once found they will put a few rounds in it to make it explode. The fact is that even if the IDE exploded it won't penetrate the armor. What kills the soldiers is when the vehicle rolls over that was cause by the IDE.

The RPG-7 is the main threat to US forces. Unlike IDE the RPG are not stationary. It is carry by one person and they are very easy to use. RPG squads are known to ambushed US forces.

man... I'd like to know where some of you crackpots get your info.

you should start lurking on a few of the military forums.

IDE is very easy to detect. The fact is that even if the IDE exploded it won't kill the majority IDE is very easy to detect and once found they will put a few rounds in it to make it explode. The fact is that even if the IDE exploded it won't penetrate the armor. What kills the soldiers is when the vehicle rolls over that was cause by the IDE.

The RPG-7 is the main threat to US forces. Unlike IDE the RPG are not stationary. It is carry by one person and they are very easy to use. RPG squads are known to ambushed US forces.
First of all, WHAT THE FUCK is an "IDE"? One typo I can understand, but every fucking one is wrong.

Second of all, shooting at plastic explosives does nothing but dent it. If you hit the brains you're likely to disable it, but it also becomes unstable. The sparks generated from a bullet hitting ferrous material are so small and contain very little thermal energy. It's not nearly enough to ignite most liquid fuels, let alone solids.
Say you were to hit something that arced (hole through a battery, or you hit the blasting cap) enough to detonate the primary explosive. You'd have to find the IED (IDE), examine it to see how it's put together and what to shoot at, then fire away at it. You also destroyed any evidence linking the maker to the bomb.

And how about you back up your clams with a URL? If you've watched any news channel you'd hear more soldiers dying from IEDs (or IDEs) than RPGs.

n00b.... Educate yourself.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/intro/ied.htm
http://icasualties.org/oif/IED.aspx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_propelled_grenade
http://www.defense-update.com/features/du-1-04/rpg-threat.htm

I don't need an URL because my friends was there. IED wasn't what they were worrying abou. What they fear most is getting ambushed or being hit by sniper fire. Yes they shot at IED when it was found and it will explode. Helo flyby can spot them and in some cases bystandards will point to it.

You don't examine a primed bomb. That's only happen in the movie. In real life you just let in explode and use whatever left as evidence. That's how you disable a bomb.

They don't care about evidence they care about not staying in one place too long. They are not police detective. They don't care. All my friend wants is to destory in a safe manner and get out of there.

The news media make a big fuss about IED but my friends take more sniper fire then they found IED.

They IDE was a typo. We all make typo don't we? God forbit we're perfect.

I don't need an URL because my friends was there.So your friend was there. I know a few people that are on their 2nd tour there, that doesn't make me a know-all on the subject.
You don't examine a primed bomb. That's only happen in the movie. In real life you just let in explode and use whatever left as evidence. That's how you disable a bomb.Just let it explode, huh? Standing right next to it? Dumbass.
They IDE was a typo. We all make typo don't we? God forbit we're perfect.One typo I can understand. I count 6 in your last post. And one in this quoted text.

I swear, there needs to be an internet license before you can use the interweb. Minimum age 16 for posting on boards and using IRC. I'm sick of n00bs, and recently there's been a -lot- of them online.

First of all, WHAT THE FUCK is an "IDE"? One typo I can understand, but every fucking one is wrong.

Second of all, shooting at plastic explosives does nothing but dent it. If you hit the brains you're likely to disable it, but it also becomes unstable. The sparks generated from a bullet hitting ferrous material are so small and contain very little thermal energy. It's not nearly enough to ignite most liquid fuels, let alone solids.
Say you were to hit something that arced (hole through a battery, or you hit the blasting cap) enough to detonate the primary explosive. You'd have to find the IED (IDE), examine it to see how it's put together and what to shoot at, then fire away at it. You also destroyed any evidence linking the maker to the bomb.

And how about you back up your clams with a URL? If you've watched any news channel you'd hear more soldiers dying from IEDs (or IDEs) than RPGs.

n00b.... Educate yourself.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/intro/ied.htm
http://icasualties.org/oif/IED.aspx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_propelled_grenade
http://www.defense-update.com/features/du-1-04/rpg-threat.htm


Ok lets used common sense. You have a primed bomb in a war zone. What do you do?

1. Shoot at it in a safe distance and have it exploded and get the hell out of there.
2. Try to be a detective and get close to the bomb so a sniper can take your ass our or it will explode in your face.
3. Wait for a bomb team so they can ambush/sniper your team.
4. Wait there so a suicide car bomb can ram it up your ass.
5. Try to be a bomb expert and do it like in the movie and cut the red wire. While they sniper your team and your dumb ass.

You use your 50 cal gun to force the bomb to explode and get the hell out of there because they will be on your team in any minutes. The majority of IED are just decoy for an ambush. You do not stay there. You do not wait for a bomb team to do the same thing as you would have done. IED is there to force you to stay put so they can sniper/ambush your team. Don’t even get the bright idea and fight in an ambush. They plane it out. They have all the advantage. You stay in the kill zone you die in the kill zone.

BTW the majority of IED is made up of artillery shells, grenades, or hack up explosives not the kind you see in the movies.

It’s a war zone. People are out to kill you. You don’t have time to be a detective. You don’t have time to examine the IED. You don’t have time to stay still. If you think it’s an IED shoot it until there is not left. The IED are made in the field. The enemies do not stay in once place. They keep moving from house to house from hut to hut.

You do not disable a bomb even an inactive one by cutting a wire. It only happens in the movies. The bomb want to explode let it explode in fact help it out just make sure no one is near it. Property damage can be replace lives cannot.

That’s what happens when I cut and paste in Word. My fault. Cut and paste is evil. Anyway this will be my last post here. For those people that are reading this, just use your common sense to figure which post is fake or not. Put yourself in the enemy or our solider shoes. What would they do in that situation? Just use some common sense.

can i make bombs at home? like mix some curry powder here, a lil bit of salt, olive oil, baking soda, and vinegar?

jdun,

you seriously need to grow a brain son. How old are you? 15? 16?

Go search on any of the video sites for Army EOD, watch a couple of the videos on how they really get rid of ordnance, and then come back here and stop talking out of your ass.

I have had many friends of mine serve over there, several of them are either still there or back for another tour. But, as Animal said, that doesn't make me a knowitall on the subject. I have just done a bit more reading on shit like this.


edit: this is the video I was talking about

http://www.snipershide.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=2

oh, here's another one:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6842965862133532889&q=EOD

oh yeah, and here is one that is very pertinent to this discussion

EOD disposing of IED

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6765369421889689335&q=EOD

did they shoot it with the 50? did they hurry up and GTFO? Did they run like little girls worried about an ambush?

or how about this IED disposoal?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5551511547682484338&q=IED

this is a good one:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6527397611993265578&q=IED

20050116 - We arrived at the far side and immediately setup security. After about 20 minutes the shops along the street at our location ... all » began to close their doors as they sensed something coming. Usually when the Americans show up and cordon off the area, it can't be a good thing. About 10 minutes later, EOD (Explosive Ordinance Disposal) arrived to destroy the device. The typical procedure is to pack C4 plastic explosive around the device and blow it in place. We took cover behind the humvee as the explosion rocked the town. Seconds later it began to rain debris and bits of shell casing down on us.

cool vids sup

well, there is a bit of truth to what both of you are saying. The ARMY EOD guys like C4. The USAF, however, uses a different method. They have modified several humvees with an armored turret on top, which carries a Barret M82A1 .50cal "anti-materiel" rifle. They use incendiary rounds to clear unexploded land mines and other ordnance from the area. I have personally seen these at McConnell AFB before.

I dont really know where this thread got turned around to the EOD standpoint but i can tell you that there is no way in a hell a grunt on the ground is gonna start shooting at a suspected IED... If by some miracle you happen to notice what you think is an IED before you pass it ll your gonna do is call it up and wait for them to tell you that EOD isnt gonna be there for hours and your gonna go off on your merry little way on a diff route