I can't recommend this program enough. Great Biblical teaching. Last night's episode was about the differences between reading, studying and devotions with the Bible.

I started reading the bible once a year a few years ago, and I can't stress how important this is in my growth as a christian. Is anyone else doing this? This is just the first step, we as christians absolutely need to study and have devotionals with the Bible in order to grow and rightly interpret scripture.

rightly interpret scripture.

it is so mindbendingly EVIL that the instruction book on how to bribe god to NOT throw one into HELL is written in CODE so that it MUST be interpreted by us "puny humans" instead of being COMPREHENSIBLE to EVERYONE.

it is so mindbendingly EVIL that the instruction book on how to bribe god to NOT throw one into HELL is written in CODE so that it MUST be interpreted by us "puny humans" instead of being COMPREHENSIBLE to EVERYONE.

There you go, getting salvation and sanctification confused again.

How very Catholic of you.

There you go, getting salvation and sanctification confused again.

forgiveness being an unearned gift, and the only needful thing in life, what then is the POINT of the bible if not to point the way to forgiveness ?

see ? evil.

the Bible means what it says; however, spiritual discernment is hidden from those without "ears to hear"....such people always misinterpret the scripture

that is what I said, "discernment is hidden" = written in code.

EVERYBODY misinterprets the bible, with the POSSIBLE exception of scholars who spend their life trying to break the code, like those guys who write the books YOU buy to EXPLAIN to you what the bible is REALLY saying.

like how "he did as he had vowed." REALLY means "he did NOT do as he had vowed."

again, there is no "code", only lack of discernment....there is a difference

what do YOU call writing that is composed specifically to NOT make any sense to a casual reader while having a hidden message for those who can correctly interpret it ?

ALL writing is a code, gee.

it's not that simple...the basics of the gospel message can be understood by a 5 year olf kid,

"Noah got to go on a fun boat ride with all the nice animals."


but the mysteries of God's plan in election and sanctification are not understtod by the darkness...because "men loved darkness, not light"

it's more an issue of veiled hearts/minds


why it was GOOD for god to murder the planet, well hidden from the sane.

forgiveness being an unearned gift, and the only needful thing in life, what then is the POINT of the bible if not to point the way to forgiveness ?

see ? evil.

I honestly cant understand 50% of the stuff you say.

And the other 50% I wonder if even you believe the stuff you type.

I honestly cant understand 50% of the stuff you say.

from some reports I have heard that is doing astonishingly well,
congratulations !! :D

I will [generally} cheerfully go into greater detail to clarify an obscure post.

And the other 50% I wonder if even you believe the stuff you type.

I believe the cult of abraham, moses, jesus and mohammed is an absolute evil that harms everybody who comes into contact with it.

rather like you, being a christian, think about satan worship, no good can come from it.

yzf being a poster boy, he worships satan, and calls him lord God.

from some reports I have heard that is doing astonishingly well,
congratulations !! :D

I will [generally} cheerfully go into greater detail to clarify an obscure post.

Yeh, I know, but I understand 0% of the times you "clarify" and I tend to just give up :P



I believe the cult of abraham, moses, jesus and mohammed is an absolute evil that harms everybody who comes into contact with it.

Why? I don't mean, "Theoretically," I mean did somone hurt you in the name of Christ or something? Why the Jihad?

Why? I don't mean, "Theoretically," I mean did somone hurt you in the name of Christ or something? Why the Jihad?

crusade, shirley. ;)

simple, I read the bible.

I watch the people around me weekly bathing in human blood.

meekly, in submission to the promise of avoiding Hell.

in MY White House banning ungodly research.

on MY money cursing my absence of trust in somebody elses absent gods.

fear being praised as a Holy Virtue.

Humans as property as a natural mandate.


Human sacrificeS providing blood for the weely bathing.


NO SOLAR POWER SATTELITES because the money is better spent stirring the middle east up for armageddon when jesus will swoop down from space at the head of an army of invincible demons and kill everybody on the planet.

and MY government isn't loading the moon up with the best armement we can devise to repulse the invaders who intend to murder US Citizens because we all BELONG to the daddy of the leader of the gang of mass murderers.

Ah, so you just don't like our religion, because people claiming to be christian's are interfering with your politics, stepping on your toes . . .

. . . and you read about our God, and you don't like the way He operates :P

Fair statements, but I reccomend you take it up with Him and not us :p

I reccomend you take it up with Him and not us

yzf is scalping tickets ;)

:smacktalk:

God wants you to be a fucking MAN and stand up for yourself, and stop following false Christian wannabes like Mark around an internet forum like a puppy.

Are you trying to anger me? You know I don't care what men (yes, even Mark) think of me. I follow my God, and His Word, and His Spirit.

I can't think of a man manlier then Jesus.

Converse with Honegod. He makes perfect sense, raises very valid points, and to be written off as a total fucking lunatic.

You said that, not me. I wasnt even thinking that. He's logical at times, but when addressed, theres small tweaks and chips and skips in the logic, sometimes huge leaps that would take me pages and pages to dig out and exlain away.

Honestly I dont even have time for it.

What would God gain from it, anyway? His Word does not return void, honegod is doing Him a favor by spreading it.

In fact, I personally much rather when people like honegod oppose! At least honegod knows what he is talking about! So many ignorant, foolish people vomiting up the most pathetic arguments over and over again, refusing to listen to reason as they accuse the Christians of the same . . . no, honegod at least has actual issues with God Himself that he obtained through study and knowlage, not ignorance and stupidity.

He's nothing more than a "Scripture Parrot". He knows it all, he just has no fucking idea what any of it actually means.

He knows it all. Just like I'm sure Satan knows every blessed word by heart.


Happy Chanukah!

Wow, this is awesome :)

anyone that accuses God of being "bloodthirsty" is pretty far gone

http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/index.php?search=blood&searchtype=all&version1=9&spanbegin=1&spanend=73&startnumber=26

Leviticus 9:9
And the sons of Aaron brought the blood unto him: and he dipped his finger in the blood, and put it upon the horns of the altar, and poured out the blood at the bottom of the altar:


Hebrews 9:22
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.


Exodus 24:8
And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.

Leviticus 4:6
And the priest shall dip his finger in the blood, and sprinkle of the blood seven times before the LORD, before the vail of the sanctuary.

Deuteronomy 32:42
I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.

Leviticus 17:11
For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

Exodus 12:13
And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.


:bowdown: :screwyou:

http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/index.php?search=blood&searchtype=all&version1=9&spanbegin=1&spanend=73&startnumber=26
Leviticus 9:9
Hebrews 9:22
Exodus 24:8
Leviticus 4:6
Deuteronomy 32:42
Leviticus 17:11
Exodus 12:13

:bowdown: :screwyou:

God doesn't want blood. We do.

Hsa 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Yawn. Honegod's beef with God is the same as Lucifer's, simply rebellion.

Honegod,

Is God soveriegn? Is God the ultimate in righteousness? Recognize who he is and what we are. Let it go. Jesus paid the price for you, man.


And getting back on topic. What's hidden in scripture is available to those who sincerely seek God. It doesn't take a degree in theology. It's takes sincerity, humility, steadfastness. It's right there for anyone.

You guys can say anything you want to blame God, it reveals the truth that you don't trust him at his word.

Yawn. Honegod's beef with God is the same as Lucifer's, simply rebellion.

Honegod,

Is God soveriegn? Is God the ultimate in righteousness? Recognize who he is and what we are. You guys can say anything you want to blame God, it reveals the truth that you don't trust him at his word.

rebellion ?

another Holy Text, on Rebellion.

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. ... "

how can you cite something which honors God when you're an atheist, in order to make a point??

Natures God is the god that YOUR god serves.

at least you make an attempt to argue point by point.

not more than occasionally, even, rarely. :(

I didn't call him an asshole.
I said he was being one.
I'm just keeping tofu real by nipping that shit in the bud.
We already have you, Mark. We don't need another forum Christian-asshole. Tofu already has his hands full playing the role of the forum Christian-pussy. (Yer an asshole, but at least you make an attempt to argue point by point.)

I'm FINALLY getting flamed!

I guess I'm doing something right after all.

Tofu already has his hands full playing the role of the forum Christian-pussy. (Yer an asshole, but at least you make an attempt to argue point by point.)

And please don't forget about me!