...to God if you were standing in judgement before Him?

I would tell God I am a better person than him. And I disbelieved for the right reasons.





God's preachers on Earth encourage unquestioning faith, yet God does not tell us whether that is what He wants.

God gave people no rational basis for belief, and then when they make up their own belief, that is not good enough for God.

God listened to our prayers, yet He does not answer, leaving people to rationalise events for themselves.

People kill and slaughter over trivial differences in doctrine, and God looks on.

In the churches and temples raised in His glory, children are mentally and physically abused - in God's so-called House.

All over the world, throughout history, people have murdered each other for believing the wrong thing about God, for believing in the wrong God, or for not believing in any God.

The poorest and most helpless people are relentlessly targeted, being told to give what little they have now, for the promise of eternal bliss later.

When a person is at his lowest ebb, that is when the smiling missionaries appear, knowing that his life will probably get better naturally and they can give God the credit.

In God's name, the ends justify the means as long as souls are saved.

And God might say something like "You should have read what I actually said, for I gave you the ability to tell that the Church of Man does not bring salvation"

And God might say something like "You should have read what I actually said, for I gave you the ability to tell that the Church of Man does not bring salvation"

...as told by
All over the world, throughout history, 'those' people have murdered each other for believing the wrong thing about God, for believing in the wrong God, or for not believing in any God.

this is the age-old question: why does God allow evil?

I can tell you this: the Spirit of God is not in the catholic "church", or any such place

but demons are there

As told by...
God's preachers on Earth encourage unquestioning faith, yet God does not tell us whether that is what He wants.

Also...
God gave people no rational basis for belief, and then when they make up their own belief, that is not good enough for God.

"Those people down there are really messed up in the head. All because of a book they kill, rape, and scare in you name. I've lead a better life then alot of the people that do so in your name, and without the fear of eternal damnnation to cause me to do so. If I'm going to hell for that, then so be it."

this is the age-old question: why does God allow evil?



I can tell you this: the Spirit of God is not in the catholic "church", or any such place

but demons are there

You're catholic?

I am a better person than God. Therefore I am better than God.

this is the age-old question: why does God allow evil?

i like tolkien's answer...

evil begets struggle and sacrifice, which evokes a greater beauty and purpose at the end of all things.

as for the thread topic, i would ask him to overlook the excessive masturbation :peace:

I would chit-chat with God, play a hand of hold-em, and ask him his thoughts on the changes to the NHL these last few years.

evil begets struggle and sacrifice, which evokes a greater beauty and purpose at the end of all things.

gravity and inertia are not evil, heat transfer is not evil.

malice, hate, there is your evil.

the whole foundational concept of the bible is the hate of god for ... .

the hate of god.

the malice god bears toward ....... .

any glory that evil brings is in the fight AGAINST it, not in the worshipping of hate and malice.

I would chit-chat with God, play a hand of hold-em, and ask him his thoughts on the changes to the NHL these last few years.

You're a hockey fan?

Who's your team?

(oh, and the "new" NHL sucks)

gravity and inertia are not evil, heat transfer is not evil.

malice, hate, there is your evil.

the whole foundational concept of the bible is the hate of god for ... .

the hate of god.

the malice god bears toward ....... .

any glory that evil brings is in the fight AGAINST it, not in the worshipping of hate and malice.

you lost me...

i didn't say anything about physics in this thread anyway.

maybe a little insight into tolkien would be a good response though, since i feel nerdy right now. tolkien served in ww1. he saw alot of crap and he came to question his faith. then he wrote lord of the rings and the accompanying myths compiled in the silmarillion.

the question of why evil exists in the world is often addressed in tolkien's writing. evil is first embodied in morgoth, the fallen vala, greatest among his peers and very much something like satan, only much less subtle. in the second and third age, evil survives morgoth's fall as his much weaker lieutenant, sauron, continues to attempt to master middle earth.

evil is incorporated into illuvatar's plan for middle earth, a stream of story and fate embodied in the music of ainur... a music that was enriched - not diminshed - by the introduction of evil. the mountains were formed because morgoth tried to rend the land as the valar labored to create it. the clouds were formed because morgoth tried to destroy water with fire even as ulmo was creating water. and so middle earth became a beautiful and diverse place because evil was introduced into the world.

each age of the world starts in harmony, decays, and then closes with a victory beyond all hope... in the first age, the elves and a few houses of noble men warred against morgoth against all hope, and were broken in the end... destined to fade as a sad lingering people in middle earth. in the second age, the island paradise of men, numenor, was corrupted and destroyed. only a desperate last alliance between the remnants of the numenoreans and the fast fading elves stopped sauron's advance. and i think everyone knows what happened in the third age. the long exiled numenorean king reclaimed his crown and a hobbit saved all of middle earth.

so evil, for all its shortcomings, brings out a greater beauty when we sacrifice and struggle to overcome it.

You're a hockey fan?

Who's your team?

(oh, and the "new" NHL sucks)


I used to play. Was offered a full scholarship to Boston U to play when I was in my freshman year of highschool; if I could get as good on ice as I was on rollers...I blew out my knee in a tourney two weeks later, haha...life has its surprises. When I was a kid I was a kings and sharks fan (I was stoked the year the kings went to the stanley cup against montreal and Patrick Roy just shut them down, I followed his career since that game, so I became an Avalanche fan, and I still am).

you lost me...

i didn't say anything about physics in this thread anyway.



sorry, I was coming from a "why do bad things happen to good people" angle.

showing that bad things are not evil in their own right, there must be an intent for evil to be present, and it was that evil intent to CAUSE bad things to happen that was the enemy because it is not NEEDED to cause suffering and the struggle to overcome it.

my little brother-in-law likes the Kings, so I have seen hockey on TV.

I enjoyed 'Mystery Alaska', and 'Slapshot'.

I fell through the ice on a frozen lake once, without even needing razorblades on my shoes to cut through it.

my little brother-in-law likes the Kings, so I have seen hockey on TV.

I enjoyed 'Mystery Alaska', and 'Slapshot'.

I fell through the ice on a frozen lake once, without even needing razorblades on my shoes to cut through it.

There you go yzf, this guy is definately not Canadian.