Though this one might have some substance to it....


"If you're a 9/11 coincidence theorist, this is where you might want to close your eyes, plug your ears and scream real loud.

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/3875/hearnoevil0kq.jpg



1. Thermite Melted the Steel.

This is a conventional fire..

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/4200/xxxfire3sp.jpg

This is a thermite reaction..

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/2121/xxxthermitexx1dk.png

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/7158/xxxthermite40hn.jpg


Steel has a melting point of 2500 degrees. Before 9/11, a steel structured building had never fallen from fire damage. On 9/11, three such buildings allegedly fell from fire damage.


Here is all the proof you need that conventional fire cannot melt steel..

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/6798/xxxgrill4pq.jpg



Now watch this video footage of thermite pouring out of a wound in the South Tower of the World Trade Center. Notice the distinct difference between it and the larger conventional fire to it's above left.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2991254740145858863&q=cameraplanet+9%2F11

More than likely, the thermite was used to soften the steel columns enough so that a small and discreet amount of explosive material would be sufficient to bring down the towers. Had the demolition sequence been executed without thermite, heavier explosives would have been necessary to bring down the buildings and would have resulted in obvious explosions. Yet as you will see below, squibs (lateral explosions) were still clearly visible.


2. Bombs were planted in the buildings.

These are controlled demolitions of buildings using demolition charges..

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/5315/zxsquibs1wv.jpg

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1462/zzzzsquibs0jq.jpg

Here are the squibs in the twin towers. You may note that the squibs appear smaller than those in the buildings above. This is not the case. The twin towers were just much larger structures. They were almost a quarter mile tall so the squibs appear small in comparison to the buildings.

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4256/zzzazaz7vj.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/9192/zzsquibs1qx.jpg


The squibs were evenly placed all the way down the building. Watch the 2nd video down.

http://thewebfairy.com/911/demolition/controlled.htm

This is world trade center building 7 collapsing at 5:30 pm on 9/11. It was not even hit by a plane.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc-7_1_.gif

Larry Silverstein, the leaseholder of the building later admitted in a PBS documentary that they "pulled" building 7, a demoltion term for controlled demolition, even though it takes at least days to plant charges and there were small fires in the lower section of the building when it fell. They couldn't have moved explosives in before they put the fires out.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/011904wtc7.html

Here is a close up video of world trade center building 7's collapse in which you can see unmistakable evidence of demolition charges going off.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/lgb.htm

3. A laser guidance system was likely used to adjust the flight path of the planes.

Here are a couple photos of the target designator (laser) being shone on the south tower to adjust the trajectory of flight 175.

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/2418/zzzlaser9zk.jpg

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/3982/zzzlaser16bb.jpg


Now watch rare, close-up video footage of the target designator guiding flight 175 into the south tower here.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2859455565562890133&q=cameraplanet+9%2F11

You can read about how target designators are used in military applications here.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/lgb.htm

Now..


Meet Marvin Bush, the Man in charge of Securacom, the company that ran security for the World Trade Center and United Airlines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Bush

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/8467/xxmarv4fi.jpg


Meet Governor of Florida Jeb Bush, who filed for executive police state powers on September 7th 2001, just four days before 9/11.

http://sun6.dms.state.fl.us/eog_new/eog/orders/2001/september/eo2001-261-09-07-01.html

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/9730/xxjeb2xb.jpg


Meet Jonathan Bush, whose Riggs bank was fined a record breaking 25 million dollars for laundering terrorist funds.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Riggs_Bank_N.A.

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/6902/xxjohn3dv.jpg


..and the next time you see George Herbert Walker Bush, ask him if he enjoyed his breakfast with Shafig Bin Laden on the morning of 9/11 at the Ritz Carlton Hotel in New York.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,738196,00.html

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/1069/zzzherbert0ln.jpg


Now you just need to learn:


Why it happened..

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/580/zzroadtotyranny7xh.jpg

http://www.margaritate.com/downloads/Alex_Jones-911_The_Road_To_Tyranny.asf

Learn the shocking truth about what happened at Oklahoma City and on 9/11. Try to disprove it.


How it happened..

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1466/zzmasters2ha.jpg

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7752483415674202196&q=masters+of+terror

In this powerful expose, Jones explains why the elite are using manufactured terrorism to coerce the masses into willingly volunteering their own enslavement.

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8234/zzzloose5nm.gif

http://www.question911.com/linkout.php?filename=Loose%20Change%202E%201of3.wm v

http://www.question911.com/linkout.php?filename=Loose%20Change%202E%202of3.wm v

http://www.question911.com/linkout.php?filename=Loose%20Change%202E%203of3.wm v

"Loose Change 2nd Edition" is the follow-up to the most provocative 9-11 documentary on the market today. This film shows direct connection between the attacks of September 11, 2001 and the United States government. Evidence is derived from news footage, scientific fact, and most important, Americans who suffered through that tragic day.

What is at stake?


http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b222/TOPE1337/martial_law_911_rise_of_the_police_.jpg

http://ia300119.us.archive.org/2/items/MartialLaw911/martial_law_p01_bb.wmv

http://ia300118.us.archive.org/2/items/MartialLaw911/martial_law_p02_bb.wmv

http://ia300118.us.archive.org/2/items/MartialLaw911/martial_law_p03_bb.wmv


Out of the ashes of the September 11th tragedy, a dark empire of war and tyranny has risen. The Constitution has been shredded and America is now a Police State. This film exposes not just who was behind the 9-11 attacks, but the roots and history of its orchestrators.

my friend (a republican) was telling me about this and that he is having some serious doubts about Bush and most politicians.

I've long told him that if anyone we need statesmen, not politicians.......

Read up on Manufactured Consent. There hasn't been true democracy in the US since before Wilson was elected...

iuno but i felt the ground shake in brooklyn and things were flying all over the house (10miles from WTC?) at 4pm. oh yeah the smokey smell stayed for liek 2 days even in brooklyn...

WTC 7 - yeah i saw a footage of a reporter filming the WTC 7 from the street and the fire was pretty intense. you can see the flames shooting out of at least 5 floors. like seriously SHOOTING out of the broken windows.

WTC 1 & 2 - according to the document on PBS. all the fire proof were blown out when the plane blew apart in WTC 1 & 2. then started burning the floor supports and the beams. all the floor supports were faling and the only thing holding it up was the other giant steel support located on the top floor. fire started burning the remaining side supports causing it to melt. then 1 & 2 collasped.


i still dont get why they havent started building new buildings in the 16 acre ground zero. yeah they finished building the new taller WTC 7. yeah its nice and safe and all... but what about ground zero? dont they already have plans?

I was at Ground Zero, and did Search and Rescue. Anyone who thinks it was done by the government is a fucking moron.

Hell, they can't even keep it secret that Clinton shoved a cigar in an intern's pussy, do you guys honestly think they could cover up a conspiracy that big?

Well that was all stupid. First off laser guidance is infrared and you can't see it second as a building collapses shit will shoot out the side. That so called evidence of laser guidance is a refection off the plane.

Hell, they can't even keep it secret that Clinton shoved a cigar in an intern's pussy, do you guys honestly think they could cover up a conspiracy that big?


I think they can, if the people's attention is otherwise misdirected....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/DarkAngelKamui/Stuff%20to%20be%20sorted%202/sadaam.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/DarkAngelKamui/Stuff%20to%20be%20sorted%202/bin-laden-target.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/DarkAngelKamui/Stuff%20to%20be%20sorted%202/imageDCEV10801252156.jpg

Then there's always stuff like this to be found, though even I can't go around and say it's stone cold proof....

http://killtown.blogspot.com/

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110048.PDF

http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html

IMHO the buildings crumbled as a result of being hit by planes and melted by burning jet fuel. The real conspiracy is how the administration spun it into a justification to do whateverthehelltheywant and damn anyone who didn't go along with it as 'with the terrorists'.

Also, just to come at it from a more "scientific" way....


9/11 Breaking the Laws of Physics - Video Presentation by BYU Physics Professor Dr. Steven Jones


On Wednesday, February 1 Dr. Steven Jones gave the following presentation on 9/11 and the physics of falling bodies and how it was physically impossible for these structures to have collapsed based on the conclusion that our government has given us. This video could possibly be the most conclusive work yet in disproving the 9/11 myth.

http://www.cerebellum.tv/fvideo/BYU.php

There's significant evidence saying the buildings were brought down. There's a lot of this same stuff for the Pentagon hit, and that stuff actually makes some sense.

They're still conspiracy theories at very best, though.

My question: Does it really matter what they tell us?
Could'nt this admin. tell us anything and we would have to accept it?

My question: Does it really matter what they tell us?

Apparantly not....

This admin is as trust worthy as the ones on the left.........

I was at Ground Zero, and did Search and Rescue. Anyone who thinks it was done by the government is a fucking moron.

Hell, they can't even keep it secret that Clinton shoved a cigar in an intern's pussy, do you guys honestly think they could cover up a conspiracy that big?
:werd: ... lol @ the idea of 9/11 was done by the gov.t ....

:werd: ... lol @ the idea of 9/11 was done by the gov.t ....

That really does sound like a far fetched idea, doesn't it?






Well, until you read what "Operation Northwoods" was all about....

Go ahead and google this one on your own, kids.... Lemme know what you find...

Couldn't that same theory be applied to what we've been told about 9/11?

Just sayin', y'know.... Kinda goes both ways..... :D

I mean, really.... Can you honestly stand behind our government 100% without any questions at all towards why things happen or how they're run??

If so, I suppose it's easy when you don't really know about what's been thought out by it.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKULTRA

Anyone who thinks it was done by the government is a fucking moron.


http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=4981491&blogID=86821754&MyToken=caa85301-ff78-45e7-810e-e1741a6b71c3

Watch this.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=4981491&blogID=86821754&MyToken=caa85301-ff78-45e7-810e-e1741a6b71c3

Watch this.

That's interesting.

:rolleyes:

conspiracy theories: true sign of MINDLESS liberals, who will resort to anything in their hatred of the current administration

The current administration is seriously fucking shit up. I voted for them, too. By the way, Mark, did you actually watch the video? I know that you don't like to hear or see anything that would go contrary to your opinion. Shit, I may have to retract my previous statement about it being impossible.

I'm getting to the point that I'm wondering if there's anything Bush wouldn't do.

:rolleyes:

conspiracy theories: true sign of MINDLESS liberals, who will resort to anything in their hatred of the current administration

"Liberals" and "conspiracy theories".... Is that all you can really say, even though there's more then enough proof to show that there's some pretty shady things going on within our current AND past administrations?

Can you put your life into the hands of men so willingly that you'd never consider the thought of actually asking yourself about what they do with the money you spend on keeping this country afloat? What makes these men so credible and beyond fault to allow you to rest well knowing that your life and everyone else's are in their hands?

I'm surprised at you, Marky boy... For a guy who "knows" about absolute truth in the spiritual sense, you're pretty damn disconnected from everything that's physical.... Or has "JC" and "Big G" already given you the memo that everything's 100% ok in this world?

I would really like to know the truth about this shit. I think the Pentagon is extremely suspicious.

The current administration is seriously fucking shit up. I voted for them, too. By the way, Mark, did you actually watch the video? I know that you don't like to hear or see anything that would go contrary to your opinion. Shit, I may have to retract my previous statement about it being impossible.

I'm getting to the point that I'm wondering if there's anything Bush wouldn't do.

It's not just Bush that's to worry about....

If you missed my earlier post about "Operation Northwood", give this info a read....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwood

BTW, I'm not saying this is 100% proof, since every bit of info always needs to be double-checked.... But a LOT of people don't know about it, and it's quite open for all to learn up on....

"In 1962 The Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up a plan to justify waging an all out war against Cuba. Among its recommendations were a terror campaign against Cubans living in Florida, The hijacking of airplanes and surface vessels and the in flight replacement of passenger airlines with drones which would be shot down. All choreographed by the military. "

"That is why Operation Northwood was so important. For we now know that in 1962 the Joint Chiefs of Staff proposed staging phony attacks to destroy U.S. property, killing Cuban refugees and U.S. citizens, in order to create a wave of indignation and rage, to justify an invasion of Cuba that could have killed hundreds of thousands of people and possibly led to nuclear war. -- Jared Israel"


This info alone is enough to make me question shit.... The coincedences between then and now are FAR too great....

I would really like to know the truth about this shit. I think the Pentagon is extremely suspicious.

:werd:

Call me a "liberal" if you wish, I just want some info that's WAY past overdue on a lot of things....

THIS little gem being in the "Top 5" of my worries...

http://www.thewhyfiles.net/mkultra.htm

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/DarkAngelKamui/Stuff%20to%20be%20sorted%202/report2mkultra.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/DarkAngelKamui/Stuff%20to%20be%20sorted%202/CIADRUGMEMO.jpg

http://thebiggestsecretpict.online.fr/nwo/Illuminati_pyramid_structure.jpg

http://www.swiss.ai.mit.edu/users/boogles/illuminati.gif

LOL

The whole Illuminati thing is an entirely different topic in itself.... Even I'm not sure if I understand WTF the entire thing really means.....

But it's just one more thing to make you think about what's really going on...

As my good friend said:

"Damn, there is some true terrorism going on right here in this country.... And it's sadly protected by subliminal bigotry in the truest sense of both words"

Just because it's something different then what you've been told, does it automatically mean that it's not correct or worth a second thought?

you guys are probably Michael Moore fans, too :rolleyes:

Hardly... The fat guy even said that his last movie was made mostly to piss Bush off....

But slanted views and wierd new ideas aside, the facts remain the facts.... Are you going to tell me that everything listed isn't true?

yes...I watched it, it's complete propaganda, based on incredibly circumstantial information and manipulation of the facts....somewhat clever, but complete bs

doesn't surprise me you were influenced by it

Yeah, we know you don't like anything that is complete propaganda that manipulates the facts... Oh wait, that's right, you follow the Bible. :rolleyes:

So, explain where the plane disappeared to at the Pentagon.



I'm disappointed with Bush on some things as well, but this stuff is just stupid

you guys are probably Michael Moore fans, too :rolleyes:

I loathe Michael Moore. I think he's even more worthless than you.

they are fallible men, they make mistakes, but G.W. at least is a good man....I've seen him viscously attacked and he is very gracious in return, I was extremely impressed by that....Abe Lincoln was similarly viscously attacked and he showed the same maturity

:rofl:

G.W. is nowhere near gracious. He's not even in the same fucking zip code as gracious.



becaue I don't believe propaganda? :roll:

these are the last days....the antichrist will have no problem at all if the world is really this willing and able to believe lies

How do you know GW isn't the anti-Christ? Hell, given what you think is going to happen, he fits the bill.

How do you know GW isn't the anti-Christ? Hell, given what you think is going to happen, he fits the bill.

Dude, you just won the fucking "Thinker of the Year" award....

"In Christian eschatology, the Antichrist has come to mean a person, image of a person, or other entity that is the embodiment of evil and utterly opposed to truth, while convincingly disguised as wholly good and a bringer of truth."

"In these contexts, "Antichrist" seems to describe any false teacher, false prophet or corrupter of the Christian faith, but sometimes also seems to indicate a specific person or single spirit of deception that motivates false teaching and whose presence is a sign of the end times."

And the last bit of it:

" 23. "Thus he said: 'The fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom on earth, which shall be different from the other kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, trample it and break it in pieces.
24. the ten horns are ten kings who shall rise from this kingdom. And another shall arise after them, he shall be different from the first ones, and shall subdue three kings.
25. He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, and shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hands for a time and times and half a time."


And what do you know, there's a WHOLE lot of Bush worship going on, even though it's been proven that the guy's been fucking "truth" up the ass for awhile now.... Bush also seems to think that he's been driven by God himself to wage this war for "peace"....


I'd say you should refrain from bringing religion into this matter.... Only makes things worse if you don't....

Hardly... The fat guy even said that his last movie was made mostly to piss Bush off....
Yes, the truth does piss off this president. Micheal Moore is a "ittle" eccentric.That does'nt matter as much when he provides documents that have now been censored. Did you even see the movie yzf?

I've actually talked to a bunch of GOP's about that movie. Most of them have'nt even seen it. I still have not heard arguments about the facts he provides. ie. The Carlyle Group, Meetings with bandar Bush ect.

But slanted views and wierd new ideas aside, the facts remain the facts.... Are you going to tell me that everything listed isn't true?

What you want to ask DAK is "yzf, even if you found out in two days that all the facts presented in the movie were correct, would you stand strong in your hatred for Micheal Moore?"

all I ever hear is hate for G.W.....I think it's sad so many hate our president....another sign of the times

Why? He does'nt deserve it?
I guess nothing that he has done is as bad as cheating on ones wife.
I hate him because he is above the law, which he has proven time and time again.

I believe it is reprehensible to hate, or feel contempt for, any person in authority, especially a sitting U.S. president, because, flaws and all, GOD puts people in authority, for a purpose
Alright Brittany Spears(yes she was quoted as saying the exact same thing you just did), but he cheated. Regardless of feelings towardhim. He is not qualified for his position. He is the guy at McDonald's who did'nt put the wet floor sign down and 3 children crack their head on the floor.
He is irresponsible and his presence not only threatens democracy but is counter productive to the social growth of America.

The message given with him in office says to the World. "This man is the best and brightest of our society,he is a leader who's vision and goals are a model for every American citizen, that is why as a whole, we have chosen him to represent us in the world arena."

I believe America can do better.
Why don't you?

YZF, if you EVER call me liberal again, I'll take the antichrist and shove it up your ass.

Some of the stuff in that video is a little out there, but the entire segment on the Pentagon is 100% believable. I also like his discovery of the twin planes at Cleveland Airport.

oh snap. lol. :rofl:

some of you guys will believe anything cobbled together by a 12 year old pulling random media clips off the internet.

um, no....he does not fit the bill

the antichrist rises to power from within the structure of the E.U., and the seat of his power and authority will be Rome

he will also be a very well spoken and charismatic man, and the Bible even indicates will be taller than normal men....that sure ain't G.W.

So is it Osama? He's 6'5". He's definitely charismatic, if he is able to incite all these people to Jihad like you claim. Hitler was charismatic, too.

oh snap. lol. :rofl:

some of you guys will believe anything cobbled together by a 12 year old pulling random media clips off the internet.

Wow, just like every other Republican.tsk tsk tsk.
They always poke fun and call him fat.

...but they never actually point out what they think is an un-true statment, or scene in that movie..
Would you have called Deepthroat a liar at the time?

The message given with him in office says to the World. "This man is the best and brightest of our society,he is a leader who's vision and goals are a model for every American citizen, that is why as a whole, we have chosen him to represent us in the world arena."

I believe America can do better.
Why don't you?

Dear god, I actually agree with Ryosuke.

It's pathetic that with all the brilliant people in this country, we have people like Bush, Kerry, and the rest of those fuckheads in Congress running the show.

neglected to prephase the above with the actual vision of Nebuchadnezzar

You looked, O king, and there before you stood a large statue—an enormous, dazzling statue, awesome in appearance. The head of the statue was made of pure gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze, its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of baked clay. While you were watching, a rock was cut out, but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and smashed them. Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were broken to pieces at the same time and became like chaff on a threshing floor in the summer. The wind swept them away without leaving a trace. But the rock that struck the statue became a huge mountain and filled the whole earth.

interesting the Bible predicts Jerusalem will be raised up higher than any other place on earth during the Millennium

what an awesome future!

Alright, let's not turn yet another thread into religious warfare.

Now, I've always said that 100 tons of jumbo jet slamming into the trade center is what made the towers collapse. However, after watching the footage again and again in that video, how the hell do you explain the building collapsing in on itself? You would think that they would have fallen to the side somehow, but they actually look just like any professionally destroyed structure.

Also, every other plane crash ever has wreckage, and the engines always survive. Even planes that crash in the ocean leave wreckage. How is there next to none at the Pentagon, and where did the engines go?

Wow, just like every other Republican.tsk tsk tsk.
They always poke fun and call him fat.......

He is fat, and the Liberal side doesn't poke fun?

Ur fair and balanced.

Why don't u sit on my lap and we'll talk about the first thing that comes up.

have you been living under a rock? there is abundant technical data as to why the towers collapsed the way they did, do a little research

Yeah, and there's plenty of technical data that supports the other theory as well.

Alright, let's not turn yet another thread into religious warfare.

Now, I've always said that 100 tons of jumbo jet slamming into the trade center is what made the towers collapse. However, after watching the footage again and again in that video, how the hell do you explain the building collapsing in on itself? You would think that they would have fallen to the side somehow, but they actually look just like any professionally destroyed structure.

Also, every other plane crash ever has wreckage, and the engines always survive. Even planes that crash in the ocean leave wreckage. How is there next to none at the Pentagon, and where did the engines go?

a) the way the exoskeleton of the WTC was made, it was hollow tubes that interconnected. Pour burning jet fuel down them, as occurred on impact (one of the people I knew who died as a result of the attack was a TV exec standing on the sidewalk below, who was doused with burning fuel - basically natural napalm)

Fluid tends to want to equalize itself, as in an icecube tray. So burning yet fluid fuel pours itself into various structural tubes. The exoskeleton of the tower softens, and with more force pulling straight down than any other direction, that's the path the tower takes.

It's not as though one spot eweakened to failure - one floor gave, and pancaked onto the other, increasing that floor's stress, which pancaked some more, etc. Other buildings we've seen collapse have been a result of other forces (explosion: murrah building, offset overload:pyongyang department store, etc.) but the WTC was a one-of-a-kind structure. I'm not entirely surprised it collapsed in a way we're unaccustomed to seeing, as it was constructed in a way we're unaccustomed to seeing.

As for the engines of the Pentagon impact, true you usually see engines, since they're big chunks of metal. However, how often do we see a plane crash into multiple feet of reinforced concrete? It's not going to look the same as a crash into a forest.

You all know I have no love for Georgie. And I wouldn't put it past them to have engineered something like this. Hell, they may have even 'helped' it along. After all, the perpetrators were funded by some of the same Saudi royalty that visits the Bush family from time to time. And a chap I know on a USAF base laims they were conducting exercises along the border that day, but not all the planes returned with all the missiles they loaded. And that one airliner went down not far from them, allegedly by 'heroes' on board who wouldn't let the terrorists win...

But it would have been just as easy for those responsible to hijack actual planes and smuck them into the towers to get attention. That the towers collapsed was an added bonus - one that was unforseen and, IMHO, entirely plausable from impact and burn alone, no demolition required.

oh snap. lol. :rofl:

some of you guys will believe anything cobbled together by a 12 year old pulling random media clips off the internet.

I post internet material because that's the best resource I have towards showing you guys what I've read and discussed....

If you want me to MAIL you articles and information directly to your house as well as have people call you, I could do that.... But that's just retarded... :D


the ten kings in this passage are 10 future rulers, who rise to power from the remnants of the old roman empire....this has absolutely NOTHING to do with the U.S.

stay away from Bible prophecy, please, you will only butcher it

Heh, and yet somehow you chose to ignore the rest of what I paraphrased...

"The most common interpretations continue to be that the Antichrist will be some sort of high-ranking political leader, who will initially do very good, popular things, which will win him many followers. It is said that the Antichrist will recreate the miracles of the first century alluding to the miracles rendered by Jesus Christ. These may include, but are not limited to, raising the dead, curing the blind, alleviating hunger, transmuting water to wine, and so forth.

In the end, however he is supposed to become increasingly totalitarian and elicit more and more sacrifices from his followers until eventually his evil ways become known, and the era of "trials and tribulations" begins."

I'm not going to end up like the rest of the folks here and go into a spitting match verse for verse with ya, Mark.... You do know what I'm talking about here, so that's just fine for me....

You're probably just going to respond with "Bah, this doesn't match up 100% with the Bible, so it's of no relevance" anyway..... :D


all I ever hear is hate for G.W.....I think it's sad so many hate our president....another sign of the times

Heh, still don't get it I see.... I've got no hate for the guy, I just don't think he's fit for the job.... It's a sad sight for me when a National Leader is free from criticism and judgement by the people who put him in power.....

Democracy at it's finest, right?

And that's gonna happen. :rolleyes:

so DAK you think the 93 bombings of the WTC was done by the government too?... lol...

Well that was all stupid. First off laser guidance is infrared and you can't see it second as a building collapses shit will shoot out the side. That so called evidence of laser guidance is a refection off the plane.

I was just about to say this exact same thing. For one thing, you need to know how a laser designator works. It shoots a laser that is aimed at one specific point. No one who uses a laser designator to light up a target moves it around, as this can cause a significant error in the aimpoint. The laser is held on the spot AS STILL AS POSSIBLE, while the bomb or missile homes in on that spot. If you look at the vid and the pictures, you can clearly see that the sun is in the appropriate position to reflect off a plane in that manner and hit the building like that. NO ONE uses a laser designator in such a way that its aim point moves as far and fast as the object it is guiding, and that vid clearly shows the spot moving proportionally to the plane in speed and direction.

Second, if this were the case, there is no doubt whatsoever in my mind, with my military spec ops experience, that the seeker head on the plane(the part that guides on the missile) would have to be on the fuselage of the plane to be successful.....watch that vid again, and you will see that the closest part of the plane to that spot of light is the wingtip, and even that strikes below the spot. No one would put the seeker on the wing because a wing by itself would not guarantee this kind of damage. If a wing were sheared off as the plane did a near-miss, then the fuselage would not necessarily even hit the tower at all. remember, it is going over 500 miles per hour--that's a lot of momentum to have to overcome, and having a wing torn off in many accidents has not stopped the forward motion of the fuselage in other crashes.

As for the "thermite", there are other substances that can burn like that, such as magnesium or phosporous. There could be any number of reasons why such a substance was present---I am no expert there, so I cannot really speak knowledgably on this one, but I do know that there are otehr things that will burn like that, and these other substances are hardly as new or exotic as thermite is. We used Phosphorous during Vietnam to mark targets with, and it and magnesium are found in every day items like highway safety flares.

so DAK you think the 93 bombings of the WTC was done by the government too?... lol...

Heh, yeah I probably sound like I'm on some sort of looney rant, but this is serious stuff here....

There's more then enough contradicting evidence to make anyone feel pretty unsafe about the stories that have been told to us, after all.... And I'm getting pretty tired of hearing "Believe in America" as an answer....

And even if the Thermite and targeting systems suggestions aren't at all credible, how do you explain the multiple explosions and the demolition-like aftereffects?

how about the total lack of wreckage of flight 93?

how about the total lack of wreckage of flight 93?

Or lack of bodies.

Well, you know what? I still have the coveralls I wore while I was at the WTC doing SAR, and I never washed them. Too bad I can't test for residue to see what exactly is on them, huh? Remember, I was crawling around inside Ground Zero for 24 hours straight, while the buildings were still on fire. There must be something on those coveralls.

I'm glad a few people are actually talking about this pretty professionally.....

Even though it's kind of a lot to seriously take in, people are actually beginning to see what's been going on.... What we've heard so far has been definately been a bit of BSing....

Ok, substitute professionally with "like adults".

Yah yah.... So it was a slipup of words... :P

Well, you know what? I still have the coveralls I wore while I was at the WTC doing SAR, and I never washed them. Too bad I can't test for residue to see what exactly is on them, huh? Remember, I was crawling around inside Ground Zero for 24 hours straight, while the buildings were still on fire. There must be something on those coveralls.
i heard ground zero smelled like burning bodies:dunno: ... damn. do you have any trouble breathing? theres this whole thing going on about people that was at the WTC doing SAR have respertory problems.

i heard ground zero smelled like burning bodies:dunno: ... damn. do you have any trouble breathing? theres this whole thing going on about people that was at the WTC doing SAR have respertory problems.

It just smelled. It's hard to describe, but I'll tell you this, I will never forget that smell.

I don't have any trouble breathing though... I wore a surgical mask the whole time. I felt bad for the SAR dogs... They had little "booties" to wear, but their paws were still getting fucked up.

It just smelled. It's hard to describe, but I'll tell you this, I will never forget that smell.

If it's anything like an open mass grave after a few days, I'd describe it as a "wet, coppery smell"

One would argue that in situations like Ground Zero, or cleaning up a mass grave in Bosnia, society has already reaches a point of decay; the physical bodies are just evidence of it.

One would argue that in situations like Ground Zero, or cleaning up a mass grave in Bosnia, society has already reaches a point of decay; the physical bodies are just evidence of it.

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