Since everyone is going to switch to Vista sooner or later, i wanted to know when you guys are going to switch and when is the right time to switch?

I wouldn't mind building a new PC over the summer and switching then, but I think I'll wait til Vista SP2 comes out in... probably 3 years and switch then. My XP machines are running okay, and honestly, I don't game. My laptop is in tip top shape and my desktop is still working, so I don't care...

It'll be awhile for me, that's all I know.

When pentium quad-cores are cheaper + i can afford 4gb of ddr-2, with everything rolling 1066mhz.

Vista is going to be available january 30th in stores...

I already have a copy running on a box with a slightly overclocked FX-55 and 3Gb of DDR400 RAM and it's not as trouble free as I'd like it. I had some setup problems with audio and video drivers. I did finally manage to get it running though. I'll be rollin that box back to the MCE 2005 it was running since it was just running Vista for the novelty of it. I'll wait until I can put together a cheap core duo or quad core box.

My next PC (probably a laptop for college) will be a Vista, most likely.

When my PC can handle it. I had 2 nice computers 2 years ago now they weren't even able to run vista to it's full potential. I'll stop spending money I vodka and hookers soon enough.

already did the desktop a few months ago.

Never.

I'll go back to Win2k before I go to Vista.

I had some setup problems with audio and video drivers.To be expected with a brand new Windows OS. :)

You can probably get Vista-specific drivers from the manufacturer's web sites by now. Vista Ultimate is running flawlessly on my Media Center PC (2.8GHz P4 with 1GB of DDR400). I had to get a Vista driver for my NVidia card, but nothing else.

Minimum requirements are a 1.0GHz processor and 1GB of RAM or better, but Vista will run faster with "2 and 2" (2.0GHz and 2GB), as you'd expect. However, it does not require a quad proc (nor is most current single-threaded software going to benefit from it) or 3GB or more of RAM. Unless you're frequently using memory-intensive graphics programs (e.g. Photoshop) or doing a lot of video and audio processing, you'd just be wasting that extra power (and money) most of the time.

An Intel Core 2 Duo clocked at 2.0GHz or better and 2GB of DDR2 would handle Vista with ease and make for a ripping machine. In fact, that's the same config as my new Toshiba M5 laptop. :)

I'll go back to Win2k before I go to Vista.:roll:

I demand jimlab gives us free vista.

To be expected with a brand new Windows OS. :)

Yup. It didn't play nice with the anti-virus and some of my Norton utilities either.
Vista Ultimate is running flawlessly on my Media Center PC (2.8GHz P4 with 1GB of DDR400).

I've just put it aside for now because I don;t have the time or inclination to wrestle with it right now. As you know I just got MCE 2005 up and running how I want it. I'm sure I'll tinker with it again at some point.


I had to get a Vista driver for my NVidia card, but nothing else.

It took some digging around to find the driver for my ATI cards, but I found it eventually. I'm sure the sound was an issue because it's on-board. That just took some digging on the Asus site.

An Intel Core 2 Duo clocked at 2.0GHz or better and 2GB of DDR2 would handle Vista with ease and make for a ripping machine.

It's in the works.

I demand jimlab gives us free vista.
+1 . He probably uses them as Frisbees anyways.

What the hell is Vista???

What the hell is Vista???

Do you live in a cave? :D

What the hell is Vista???
When did you find out about Windows XP? 2004?

Yup. It didn't play nice with the anti-virus and some of my Norton utilities either.I'd recommend CA eTrust for anti-virus.

I've just put it aside for now because I don;t have the time or inclination to wrestle with it right now. As you know I just got MCE 2005 up and running how I want it. I'm sure I'll tinker with it again at some point.I know what you mean. Even thought I've been using it for over a year at work, I was still a little nervous about putting it on my MCE box just because of all the work I'd put into the configuration to drive my changers and all my TVs, but the upgrade went smooth as silk. It didn't wipe out any recorded content (although I backed it up first, just in case), and it even immediately recognized the ~500 DVDs in the changers.

In fact, I no longer have to turn the Sony changers off when I reboot the machine and then turn them on in reverse order (they're IEEE 1394 daisy-chained; last on the chain first, first on the chain last) to get the DVDs recognized as I did with MCE 2005.

It took some digging around to find the driver for my ATI cards, but I found it eventually. I'm sure the sound was an issue because it's on-board. That just took some digging on the Asus site.Yep. I usually round up all the drivers first and burn them to a CD before upgrading, but didn't this time.

It's in the works.:D

I demand jimlab gives us free vista.Maybe I'll give away a copy of Ultimate or two after it's available in the company store. :)

Please give them away in my direction.

I have CA eTrust anti virus with unlimited corporate licensing from my work :D

:roll:
Win2k ran everything I use windows for perfectly, XP only somewhat, and fom people I've been talking to Vista won't even run some of the apps I have to use for work.

Hense, I will go back to Win2k before I go to Vista.

Win2k ran everything I use windows for perfectly, XP only somewhat, and fom people I've been talking to Vista won't even run some of the apps I have to use for work.In other words, you're using obselete applications that haven't had revisions shipped in years, or your work is just too cheap to pay for upgrades.

Windows XP has been out for more than 5 years now (10/25/2001). Anyone who isn't compatible with XP by now isn't trying, and most of what works on XP works on Vista.

Since everyone is going to switch to Vista sooner or later, i wanted to know when you guys are going to switch and when is the right time to switch?

"Everyone"? orly?
My answer: Never.

And re: win2k: 2k pro is the only flavor of windows i can tolerate. I have it installed in a vmachine on my Macbook, runs what I need it to and it's not stuffed full with printer drivers and other shit I really don't need. MacOS X.4 has enough of that trash in it.

In other words, you're using obselete applications that haven't had revisions shipped in years, or your work is just too cheap to pay for upgrades.
to cheap to pay for upgrades? Have you even priced out anything that Autodesk has made in the last three years? Why update AutoCAD when there hasn't been a major revision in the last four years and all their development is being dumped into Inventor?

As far as all the other apps that the other employees use, they are updated every year, the computers every couple. So of course they will eventually be swapped onto Vista.

And MS will probably make it harder then hell to network old machines with new just to try and force the consumers to update everything to Vista.

Macintosh. The PC with training wheels that never come off... :)

So what is the main advantage of Vista? is it ground-up architecture that finally eliminates the archaic bits of Windows that have been grandfathered-in through the generations? Does it actually work better, and if so how?

I will say this for XP - other than having the worst Bluetooth stack of most mainstram OSes, I haven't had the blue screen of death since SP2.

Macintosh. The PC with training wheels that never come off... :)
yeah, till you fire up Terminal, or boot into single-user mode. Then it's strictly UNIX-geeks-only.

Which is why I like Mac... easy enough for my parents to use, but when I wanna do scary shit, I can fire up terminal/x11 and do things that scare the amish.

Maybe I'll give away a copy of Ultimate or two after it's available in the company store. :)
Or sell it to us for a "special" price.

He's rich bitch. he can give it to us for free!!1!

For the time being XP serves me optimally. Maybe i'll switch over coming year

Do you live in a cave? :D

Rhode Island, so pretty much. LOL.

Seriously, what the fuck is Vista? Jim?

Seriously, what the fuck is Vista?

The latest Windows Operating System offering.

I could run it on my laptop but I highly doubt I'll switch to it until SP2 ships on the disk.

Seriously, what the fuck is Vista? Jim?As Drew mentioned, the latest Windows client operating system, replacing Windows XP. :)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/69/Windows_Vista_Home_Premium_Box.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0a/Windows_Vista_Ultimate_Box.jpg

Jim, sponsor my life. I'll tattoo things on my body for you. You can have my FC and I'll put in a boat motor if you want. Gimme money, I am yours. And a PC fully capable of running Vista and the next MS OS.

As Drew mentioned, the latest Windows client operating system, replacing Windows XP. :)



Is it any good?

so far all I can find is the difference between start menus *L* I wanna know if it gets rid of the old file management systems or not.

http://www.bentuser.com/FileRepository/9f02a3b5-9b7f-420d-96e9-66be2693a843.jpg

The start menu has evolved in Vista. At any time one can type search words, resulting in Search-As-You-Type functionality. This search leverages the broader search functions built into Vista. It functions in a very similar fashion to the MSN Desktop Search deskbar - but is integrated directly into the Start Menu. It is actually quite useful, and newly created documents appear to get indexed almost immediately. For example, after copying some Word documents into the Documents folder, they were available for search immediately. Since the start menu can be activated with the start button, one can actually perform a search and select a search result, all without touching the mouse or opening any new windows. Quite slick. Pressing enter opens a full search results window.



Another change in the Vista start menu is the "All Programs," section. In Windows XP the All Programs list can become very unwieldy when you have more than ten programs. In Vista the programs list simply scrolls within the Start Men

I've actually been contemplating switching to Linux, since all I use the computer for is flight simming ..

...Unless FS-X is any good. I haven't downloaded the demo yet.

all I know is, as soon as it comes out, there will be a weekly "patch"...just like always

:rolleyes:
I may have to side with Mark. I wont switch untill they find the first couple of Severe security flaws and expoits. Last thing I want is my HD altered by some script kiddy running the latest apps.

I will pickup one to Eval for work in a few months. I will try to keep any new machines as XP for at least a year or more.

FSX kicks serious ass. I guess I might have to keep an XP partition for a while. :(

http://www.oregonstate.edu/~quinnj/FSXD04.JPG

http://www.oregonstate.edu/~quinnj/FSXD03.JPG

microsoft appears to have a plan: get enough general software products out there that rule, and the OS sales will have to follow.

FSX kicks serious ass. I guess I might have to keep an XP partition for a while. :(

http://www.oregonstate.edu/~quinnj/FSXD04.JPG

http://www.oregonstate.edu/~quinnj/FSXD03.JPG

microsoft appears to have a plan: get enough general software products out there that rule, and the OS sales will have to follow.
Holy shi. Makes me want to play my FS02 (I never even finished the training, i just flew Boeings into buildings). I'm have problems with my logitech joystick, it wont go straight even after i calibrate it and its too sensitive.

all I know is, as soon as it comes out, there will be a weekly "patch"...just like alwaysComes with the territory of being the most widely used client OS in the world and one of the biggest targets in the PC space.

I suppose you could write a more secure operating system with even more functionality in your sleep... :roll:

So Jim - what are the key differences between Vista and XP? As I said earlier, I've heard they'd done away with the old .dll system and are using a more efficient file management system - but that could be just rumour and conjecture.

This is probably the best place to start...
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/features/default.mspx

If you have specific questions, I may be able to answer them.

Which version should an average computer whore/gamer get? ANd how much would that version cost?

Street price on the Vista Ultimate (gaming, Media Center, etc.) upgrade will be $259, I believe (full version will be $399). The Home Premium version will be $159 for the upgrade, and Home Basic at $99.

Amazon already has most of the versions listed for pre-order at slightly lower prices.

Macintosh. The PC with training wheels that never come off... :)


LOL

I will have to remember that.

I hate Macintosh. Most of the people who use Apple are liberal yuppies trying to be different and show everyone how smart they are.

Street price on the Vista Ultimate (gaming, Media Center, etc.) upgrade will be $259, I believe (full version will be $399). The Home Premium version will be $159 for the upgrade, and Home Basic at $99.

Amazon already has most of the versions listed for pre-order at slightly lower prices.
Awhhh crap. When are the games expected to use Vista only?

Awhhh crap. When are the games expected to use Vista only?Any game requiring Direct3D 10 (a.k.a. DirectX 10) will require Vista.

More info here...
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/directx/default.mspx

And here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectX

Blegh.

I'm going to stick with XP untill they either force me to change, or Vista comes free with the next computer they give me.

Is there full compatability with programs written for XP?

yup no issues running xp programs for me.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/10thAE_RX-7/vista2.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/10thAE_RX-7/ss1.jpg

Good to know. I'd hate to have to reinvest in expensive video editing and screenwriting software just for a new OS.

hrm, looks like Mac OS X... except X has been out for a few years now.

Looky what I picked up at the company store today... :)

http://www.theforumlounge.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1966&stc=1&d=1170313132

I was thinking about staging a "Historical Trivia of Jim's RX-7" competition and giving away copies to the first to post a correct answer to my questions. With the deletion of my monstrosity thread on the RX-7 Club forum and all my posts on Torque Central, that could be challenging. :)

Question: should I run it here and cross-link from the club forum to bring some traffic over here?

very cool
i want a non RC2 copy lol.
i read your thread from front to back but haven't kept up to date in months, o well.
god forbid you start asking about headlight choices or mounts...

With the deletion of my monstrosity thread on the RX-7 Club

This is definately news. What is the story behind it? Seemed it was a magnet for shitheads toward the end.

Seemed it was a magnet for shitheads toward the end.Basically, so I asked jeffshoots to delete it.

I'll probably upgrade my Toshiba lappy and my MCE box to Vista soon. Looks like a worthwhile upgrade from long-in-the-tooth XP.

it certainly doesn't help matters when jim is posting random pics of his coke machineYou know, I absolutely love the fact that it bothers you so much that you can't shut up about it.

It's just an appliance, Mark. Get over it. :bigthumb:

Fuck rx-7s... can you just give me one?

EDIT: nevermind, I don't want to be part of the "give-me-something-for-nothing" group that my age group IS, stupid assholes.

Looky what I picked up at the company store today... :)


I'm so fucking jealous...

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2007/20070202.jpg

I've heard mixed reviews so far

i can lift more weights than you!:smacktalk:

I've heard mixed reviews so far

From grassroots analysts who have no idea what they're talking about?

I've heard mixed reviews so far

AiG and ICR doing OS reviews now?

I like reviews that blast Microsoft for taking so long to deliver Vista, and then after release, blame Microsoft for the lack of drivers... as if no 3rd party vendors knew it was coming. :bigthumb:

Price? Buyers are willing to pay $400-500 for a graphics card assembled by drones in a 3rd world country, but think $150 (Home Premium upgrade) is too much for an entire operating system consisting of billions of lines of code... and forgetting that Windows XP sold for about $200-220 retail. Inflation affects operating systems too, folks.

Too many versions? I'm surprised these people are able to make a choice at the gas pump with 3 versions of gas available, 4 if you count diesel. I'm a home user with a single machine so I need... Enterprise edition?!? :dunno:

CPU magazine is actively anti-Microsoft, but I was a little surprised that Maximum PC had "10 Reasons Not to Upgrade to Windows Vista!" on the cover of last month's issue (the actual article was more tamely titled "10 Reasons You Don't Need Vista Today"). Pretty lame article, especially when you consider it was written by the editor of the magazine.


1. Vista requires a fairly powerful machine
No more so than XP, although you probably won't be able to get by with 512MB of RAM any longer. If you want to run Aero Glass, you'll need a fairly powerful graphics card... like most of the graphics cards on the market in the last year or so. If your computer was built more than five years ago, it's time for a new computer anyway.

2. Application Incompatibilities
Really? You don't say? Anyone remember the switch from Windows 98 to XP? If you change a billion lines of code in the operating system and add new DirectX and other technologies, chances are that software written several years previously is not going to work. Does this really still come as a surprise to anyone?

3. Vista is Crazy Expensive
I covered this one already, but the writer seemed to think scare tactics were required, as if everyone would have to buy a full retail version instead of an upgrade and every user would need Vista Ultimate, the "obscenely overpriced (and unnecessary)" version. If it's unnecessary, why do you care if it's overpriced?

4. No Hardware Audio
Well, no 5.1 audio from games relying on DirectSound 3D because it's no longer supported... although they'll still play just fine with stereo audio. How many PC users have 5.1 audio systems connected to their machines anyway? However, to be fair, this is predominantly a gamer's magazine, so they're playing to their target audience.

5. Vista Doesn't Work With a Lot of Bleeding-Edge Hardware
No comment. He did finally grudgingly and briefly mention that the Vista Upgrade Advisor (available free online) can tell you if your hardware is supported before upgrading or purchasing.

6. Vista Doesn't Work Well With Some Games
You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. Is that the sound of violins I hear? Next...

7. Vista Includes Consumer Unfriendly DRM
Come on. Did you honestly think that Microsoft was going to help you make perfect digital copies of HD video sources?

8. Poor Driver Support
Not really, but see my comments above.

9. Vista is Kind Of Annoying
User Account Control prompts you to allow an action which installs something on your computer... big deal. You'd rather have potential malware install silently in the background without your knowledge?!?

They whine that it should require a password so people don't just become auto-clicking drones... but earlier user testing indicated that people don't want to enter a password (which can optionally be turned on) and most home users don't have passwords on their computers anyway.

10. You Can Wait
If you're a non-intensive PC user for whom Office 97 still works quite well, they're right. You don't need Vista. In fact, you probably don't have a machine that would run very quickly with XP, let alone Vista.

However, if you're a power user or a dedicated gamer, you should be able to figure out that Vista has quite a few new improvements and features over an operating system released in 2001 that software vendors just might take advantage of. :)

2. Application Incompatibilities
Really? You don't say? Anyone remember the switch from Windows 98 to XP? If you change a billion lines of code in the operating system and add new DirectX and other technologies, chances are that software written several years previously is not going to work. Does this really still come as a surprise to anyone?

Depending on the application - yes. Some software, like Final Draft, is only updated every 4-5 years but is an industry standard for film and TV writers. If it won't work on a certain operating system, that's about 50,000 professional users of Final Draft who won't use that OS. And that's but one example.



7. Vista Includes Consumer Unfriendly DRM
Come on. Did you honestly think that Microsoft was going to help you make perfect digital copies of HD video sources?


It'll be interesting to see if that's modified in international versions. In Canada, for example, p2p music sharing is not only legal but is encouraged by artists - as it increases concert attendance, which makes them more money than CD royalties which are now viewed as ancilliary income and worth sacrificing to build the fanbase. DRM is seen by music artists and consumers alike as a draconian effort on the part of Big Labels to control who pays, and who gets paid, for what item. However in the States, DRM is required to accomodate the music industry. Further, it's required by both the US and Canada as protection for the film industries which have no secondary revenue source analogous to concerts, as piracy and p2p eliminates both first-run theatrical and DVD sale income.

So it makes sense for the US version to have strong DRM, or risk one of those odd charges for creating something that assists piracy; whereas a Canadian version would require video (mp4, mov, etc) DRM but a reduced or eliminated audio segment. And that's not even getting into separate EU market requirements.

Depending on the application - yes. Some software, like Final Draft, is only updated every 4-5 years but is an industry standard for film and TV writers. If it won't work on a certain operating system, that's about 50,000 professional users of Final Draft who won't use that OS.Out of 220+ Million XP users that's less than 0.025%, and companies like that will eventually produce a compliant version. It's financially in their best interests. :)

It'll be interesting to see if that's modified in international versions.HDCP-compliant hardware will still be required to enable HD playback, as far as I know.

When are prices expected to drop? (i KNow you can't say for sure, but i'm just throwing it out there)

When are prices expected to drop?You haven't been on this earth very long, have you. :roll:

what happened to the trivia competition?Why? Think you have a chance?

I have a longer history with your thread than anyone here except drewBut the thread is gone and you have no long-term memory. :D

and drew knows you personally, so he doesn't count

Yeah, but is there a scenario where I count (for anything) using your logic?

Why? Think you have a chance?
With Google, anything is possible.

Out of 220+ Million XP users that's less than 0.025%, and companies like that will eventually produce a compliant version. It's financially in their best interests. :)

I hope so - in that specific example, my understanding is they've been looking for an excuse to go Mac only as much of the online editing software is already Mac based and the industry would like to see everyone using the same platform. They know they have a built-in market because .fdr docs can't be made by Word or WordPerfect.

I myself am more comfortable on a PC. I started as an Apple guy - started on Lisa, II, and IIe and the first system I bought was a IIGS, but now find that Apple products are kinda like Sony - different for no reason other than to be different.

My concern is that while the example I gave is one I know first-hand, there may be a plethora of such examples in various niches that add up. Sure it may only be a few million users total, but in high profile industries where many wannabes ape platform and software selection.

It may all be academic as there's no evidence yet that the software won't work on Vista - just a concern raised by the comment I quoted.

I started as an Apple guy - started on Lisa, II, and IIe and the first system I bought was a IIGS...Right on. :)

Before: TRS-80 Model I, TI-99/4a, Apple IIc, IIe, IIgs, Macintosh IIcx...

Then I found out my roommate's 486DX-33 was blowing the doors off my 16 MHz Macintosh and cost about a third as much. Hell, I paid $500 just to expand to 4MB of RAM.

After: 486 DX4-100, Pentium 90 MHz, 120 MHz, Pentinum II 266 MHz, Pentium III 733 MHz, Celeron 1.0 GHz, AMD Duron 1.3 GHz, P4 2.4 GHz, P4 2.8 GHz, P4 3.0 GHz, P4 3.6 GHz...

from drug usage?

my long term memory is rarely worth a damnNo shit?

for example, I remember pictures of the polished suspension piecesSo do a couple thousand other people. Big deal.

I bore peopleYes, yes you do.

prolly 6months when alot bugs been worked out.