I'm not talking about history changing albums, or an album with a few good songs on it, or something new that just came out that you like. I want you to post the albums that bring back memories in your life, take you to a certain point in time, albums that you put on and listen to from start to finish without skipping a track.


I'll start with one of my favorites cause I'm listening to it right now..

Pearl Jam- Ten

Say what you will about them, I think Ten is one of the best albums ever produced. Every song on it is excellent, and it always brings back a lot of good memories. Not to mention, I never get tired of singing along with every single song on it.

Nine Inch Nails - The Fragile (complete version, preferably FLAC)

This album is made up of 29 songs, is well over 100 minutes long yet I can listen to it from beginning to end in a single sitting over and over again. One of the things that I love about this record is that the tracks are so dense. There's always something building under the surface. There was a time that for months, I would discover something new upon each listen.

tool- Lateralus

This brings me back to highschool days, of the difficulty with parents. Being grounded to my room, all I had was this cd and my Dragonlance books. I would spend hours reading them and listening to this cd. Theses memories will be with me forever.

Nine Inch Nails - The Fragile (complete version, preferably FLAC)

This album is made up of 29 songs, is well over 100 minutes long yet I can listen to it from beginning to end in a single sitting over and over again. One of the things that I love about this record is that the tracks are so dense. There's always something building under the surface. There was a time that for months, I would discover something new upon each listen.



I think The Fragile was the last great thing that Trent Reznor did. That album was incredible.

I think The Fragile was the last great thing that Trent Reznor did. That album was incredible.

Yeah, I agree. The two albums that followed The Fragile were good, and at times, had moments of brillance. Yet they still don't compare to TF or TDS.

Top 3 at the moment - NOTE: I AM FEMALE, so do not give me shit about this

Sting (of course) - The Soul Cages
easily my favorite album ever
I could rave about it forever, but suffice it to say that it's everything I want music to be. It's so well done that it's capable of making you actually appreciate sadness, emptiness, hopelessness, and loneliness

John Mayer - Heavier Things
I relate to a lot of it, which is unusual

Smashing Pumpkins - Mellon Collie & the Infinite Sadness
I just love it lots right now :P

Snoop Doggy Dogg - Doggystyle
Dr. Dre - Chronic 2001
NWA - Greatest Hits

Top 3 at the moment - NOTE: I AM FEMALE, so do not give me shit about this


Good thing you reminded me, or I was really gonna let you have it ;)

Rush - 2112 and Moving Pictures
Iron Maiden - Number of the Beast and Somewhere In Time
Priest - Screaming for Vengeance
Van Halen - For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge
Whitesnake - Self Titled
Testament - Low
Scorpions - Don't Stop at the Top
AC/DC - Back in Black
Dire Straits - Brothers in Arms
Yes - 90125
Def Leppard - Hysteria
Rainbow - Straight Between the Eyes
Metallica - Master of Puppets

I will agree with 2112, Back In Black, and Master of Puppets. Although, I personally think that Let There Be Rock is AC/DC's finest, but most unappreciated work. As for Metallica, it has always been a tossup for me between Master of Puppets and And Justice For All. I love both for different reasons.

I'll put up another: Red Hot Chili Peppers- Blood Sugar Sex Magic

I really think this album broke new ground that had never been explored before. Not to mention, John Frusciante wrote and recorded the guitar parts at age 18. In my opinion, that is incredible. The whole album flows perfectly, and the entire band was so well connected. It has always been a pipedream of mine to put together a group of musicians, and put on an entire show that covers this entire album from start to finish.

Smashing Pumpkins - Mellon Collie & the Infinite Sadness
I just love it lots right now :P


Muzzle. I told ya, the song is incredible :D

not the toxic rap/punk/whispering-muted screams of today's "music

I woner who that's directed at LOL

definitely a stand-out recording...Sting pens some thoughtful, soul-searching lyrics

I happen to enjoy these:

Another working day has ended
Only the rush-hour hell to face
Packed like lemmings into shiny metal boxes
Contestants in a suicidal race
Daddy grips the wheel and stares alone into the distance
He knows that something somewhere has to break
He sees the family home now looming in his headlight
The pain upstairs that makes his eyeballs ache
Many miles away there's a shadow on a door
Of a cottage by the shore
Of a dark Scottish lake


great song, but that whole album is so dark that I have a hard time listening to it.. with the exception of Murder by Numbers, which is spectacular


Good thing you reminded me, or I was really gonna let you have it ;)

glad you managed to resist the urge to increase the size of your penis by telling a chick that she listens to chick music

glad you managed to resist the urge to increase the size of your penis by telling a chick that she listens to chick music

It wasn't easy...

I enjoy much things played by an acoustic guitar. Therefore, not many albums, if any, that I like. Except, of course, 1 or 2 songs picked out of 'em. Ooooo yeah one album. The Best of Bread. Good one.

what I lament most of all in today's "music" is an amazing lack of singing talent...that is, artists who can actually carry a note





You obviously don't know too much about today's music.

You obviously don't know too much about today's music.

He doesn't, that's been made abundantly apparent. It's okay though, to each their own.

Hey YZF- Listen to this and tell me if you still believe what you said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cdSiAgz1XU&feature=related

since when did anyone here stop himself from arguing over matters of pure opinion

and it seems that the entire purpose of his singing that song was to make people's ears bleed

You know who has a surprisingly good voice? Jack Black, like ridiculously good.

Jack Black does have a really good voice, it is weird.

And who cares whether or not you like the song, the guy has a ridiculously good voice. That was the point of the post.

You know who has a surprisingly good voice? Jack Black, like ridiculously good.

Have you see The Pick of Destiny? It's been on HBO recently and I've watched it like 4 times. Pretty hilarious.

Have you see The Pick of Destiny? It's been on HBO recently and I've watched it like 4 times. Pretty hilarious.

I have, got the soundtrack too.

Guess who plays the devil?

I have no idea, who? I know that the guy who plays the pizza delivery guy is in Trainwreck, that's it.

The devil is played by everybody's favourite drummer, Dave Grohl.

Haha, that is awesome.

Jack Black does have a really good voice, it is weird.

And who cares whether or not you like the song, the guy has a ridiculously good voice. That was the point of the post.

actually I just ended up spending 30 seconds trying to decide whether it was a male or female singing, then I started wondering how anyone could manage to sing that unintelligibly, then I marveled at how the digital editing of his voice made it all sound worse

haha ruthless

honest! listening to it was a wholly unpleasant experience for me, but just my opinion

meh, I stopped at about 30 seconds, but whatever... I've lost the will to argue... in this thread

what? listening to Black? Compared to singers as a whole, Black is a crummy singer!

worthless!!! you people need to drag your little brawls out of the religion forum once in a while so I can participate

have you listened to him?

worthless!!! you people need to drag your little brawls out of the religion forum once in a while so I can participate

what would you like to "brawl" about, Queen?

I'm female, so obviously I'm skilled at making an argument out of anything
problem??

I'm skilled at making an argument out of anything

I don't believe you.

Everyone here knows talent when they see it, as witnessed by their impeccable taste in music.

throw some Paramore on for us ;)

I don't believe you.

clearly there is something deeply and glaringly wrong with your beliefs

you got it!

I'm afraid you might be better off on the teen girls' forum on Myspace if you're looking for people who share your appreciation of talent


I'm off to the old fat women forum to discuss my musical tastes

clearly there is something deeply and glaringly wrong with your beliefs

This is already common knowledge round these parts

let's face it, NIN is complete garbage

most of the kids here have never heard much classical or acoustic guitar work, that's where the great artists all got their start, not rap :rolleyes:

Lol

You sound like a crotchety old man complaining about that "Damn rockin' roll". Dancing leads to touching, eh?

What's the matter, Trent's voice isn't shrill and annoying enough for you?

I love rock music, but music should have melody, harmony, and (usually) vocal prowess

if you're honest, you have to admit much of the stuff today lacks one or more


What you "think" all music should have, and what music "actually" is are two different things buddy. Sorry, but your assessments and opinions are dead-ass wrong.

I guess this is a shot at Geddy Lee

Yepp.

and yeah his voice is shrill, but is Reznor's voice powerful

It is actually. I could provide examples but I know that you won't bother listening to them.

or even masculine?

Are you asking if he sounds like a woman?

As for his voice being marginal, he doesn't have good range, there's no question about that. He is able to hit some high notes pretty well with his falsetto. He's also got a great set of lungs which is evident in his screaming. Listen to deep and tell me that his voice isn't masculine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yv5kjAFMXyo

in your opinion, but experienced/seasoned musicians will take my side every time

Oh shut up, you're such a fucking moron and don't have a clue what you are talking about. I am an experienced musician, and play multiple instruments. You are a washed up 80's hairmetal loser that actually likes the fucking Scorpions. You even trying to debate me on this subject would be like me lecturing Bill Belichick on offensive strategy.

I suppose, but it's that same, Rage-Against-the-Machine-angst ridden rap

it doesn't have melody

now THIS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZV8MPxxgkE this is melody...and harmony...and vocal skill....broaden your tiny horizons

yes, the vid is worthless


You have no idea what you are talking about. Crawl back in your hole.

this is about the farthest I have ever seen any topic stretched in order to convolute it into a pissing contest
it's basically been implied that a matter of pure and simple opinion abides by some objective, set "truths"
this is role reversal at its finest

It's not a matter of opinion. Anyone who knows anything about music composition, or has an earthly clue as to how to play an instrument knows that YZF is completely full of shit. His "opinion" is constantly bolstered by completely false claims such as "experienced/seasoned musicians will take my side every time". As if he actually knows any experienced or seasoned musicians, and consulted them about this topic. It's a complete fabrication. What he really means to say is "other people who have bad taste in music and think that 80's hair metal isn't the universal joke that we know it to be will take my side".

so is 50 Cent, what's your point? my tastes are far more diverse than "hair metal"

by the way, your comments were completely uncalled for, and were reported


HA!

no, I understand arguing about religion or politics, or something where one is expected to have some rational basis upon which their beliefs are built
this is MUSIC for fuck's sake, so what in God's name does it matter? You're essentially saying that one is expected to learn to play some instruments in order to have an opinion that counts, which we all know is ridiculous
Are we going to argue about oil paintings next?

I'm saying that someone is expected to know more about the structure and composition of music before they can sit there and completely discredit some form of music, and act like an expert. Get off it.

I'm saying that someone is expected to know more about the structure and composition of music before they can sit there and completely discredit some form of music, and act like an expert. Get off it.

if he doesn't like it, understanding the composition is likely not going to make him or anyone like it, though I agree that musical experience does allow for a greater appreciation (or respect at least) for a wider range of things
if music were some wholly structured, mechanical thing, your theory would be beautiful, but the fact is, like most art, a good chunk of the perception of it is based on emotions and personal taste

I think rocket is implying that, not me

wasn't directing any of this at you, really

I understand that appreciation lies in interpretation. However, my point is that you cannot discredit a form, style, genre, or artist because you don't think it qualifies as music.

Not to mention, every time he posts anything about music he purposefully makes the same comments, just to provoke people. It's about time for him to be schooled.

I'm not talking about history changing albums, or an album with a few good songs on it, or something new that just came out that you like. I want you to post the albums that bring back memories in your life, take you to a certain point in time, albums that you put on and listen to from start to finish without skipping a track.


I'll start with one of my favorites cause I'm listening to it right now..

Pearl Jam- Ten

Say what you will about them, I think Ten is one of the best albums ever produced. Every song on it is excellent, and it always brings back a lot of good memories. Not to mention, I never get tired of singing along with every single song on it.

Garbage Version 2.0 was the first CD I ever bought that I could listen to every song on it. Usually, you'd get a CD, maybe like 3 or 4 songs, tops... I bought Version 2.0 simply because I had heard good things about it and wanted to check out the hype.

Unfortunately, their previous CD and subsequent CDs weren't anywhere near as good. I still rock the Version 2.0 though, and it's been what, 9 or so years?

Top 3 at the moment - NOTE: I AM FEMALE, so do not give me shit about this

Sting (of course) - The Soul Cages
easily my favorite album ever
I could rave about it forever, but suffice it to say that it's everything I want music to be. It's so well done that it's capable of making you actually appreciate sadness, emptiness, hopelessness, and loneliness

John Mayer - Heavier Things
I relate to a lot of it, which is unusual

Smashing Pumpkins - Mellon Collie & the Infinite Sadness
I just love it lots right now :P

I've got all three of those... They are all awesome, and the first two are even suitable for me to play at work.

Soul Cages was definitely Sting's best complete solo album. While it doesn't have my favorite song of his (Stolen Car), it's the best collection of his work from start to finish.

I just think that it's stupid saying things like, "this band is a joke" or "this guy is a marginal singer" when the person commenting has heard such a limited catalogue of the artist's material. Listening to one album that was released 19 years ago does not make you an authority on said band or their ability.

I just think that it's stupid saying things like, "this band is a joke" or "this guy is a marginal singer" when the person commenting has heard such a limited catalogue of the artist's material. Listening to one album that was released 19 years ago does not make you an authority on said band or their ability.


Plus it's amazing that some people feel that they can not only judge a band or artist, but can also judge why someone's personal taste is wrong.

It's amazing how every thread here turns to bickering. It's like some giant dysfunctional therapy group. No wonder we can't get more than 15 active members.

Plus it's amazing that some people feel that they can not only judge a band or artist, but can also judge why someone's personal taste is wrong.

I've probably been guilty of this to some extent, though I try not to be.

It's amazing how every thread here turns to bickering. It's like some giant dysfunctional therapy group. No wonder we can't get more than 15 active members.

I see where you are coming from but I would also think that in theory, it should increase some participation. Let's say that a NIN fan views this thread as a guest. He sees yzf making some very ignorant comments. Odds are pretty good that this person joins just so they can make his/her case against yzf. Of course, for this to actually work, this particular person has to first come across this thread.

I've probably been guilty of this to some extent, though I try not to be.

Me too. Shit, you should listen to some of the absolute crap my GF loves. It makes me sick. LOL

I see where you are coming from but I would also think that in theory, it should increase some participation. Let's say that a NIN fan views this thread as a guest. He sees yzf making some very ignorant comments. Odds are pretty good that this person joins just so they can make his/her case against yzf. Of course, for this to actually work, this particular person has to first come across this thread.

Yep, I agree that in theory, that would be the case.

Unfortunately, most new members get run out of town or bored with the forum inside of a couple days, and that's the end of that.

I just think that it's stupid saying things like, "this band is a joke" or "this guy is a marginal singer" when the person commenting has heard such a limited catalogue of the artist's material. Listening to one album that was released 19 years ago does not make you an authority on said band or their ability.

But doesn't it all boil down to personal taste? I had enough of crooners.

But doesn't it all boil down to personal taste? I had enough of crooners.

Yep, it sure does, which I believe was Arks' point. You like what you like, and you don't really need to justify it. 2ndGR started a thread for you to state what you like, not for others to bash, but to see what you like. That's all.

I've got all three of those... They are all awesome, and the first two are even suitable for me to play at work.

Soul Cages was definitely Sting's best complete solo album. While it doesn't have my favorite song of his (Stolen Car), it's the best collection of his work from start to finish.

ahhh it stands out from the rest of his albums by far for me, because it has 2 of my favorite songs by him (Mad About You and The Wild, Wild Sea), and I like that everything was intended to complement everything else. It was meant to be art, a deeply personal expression, not simply a means for him to make money, and that is the root of why it ended up being so great.
Sacred Love is a pretty good album too, though.. I loveee Dead Man's Rope as a whole, and the lyrics to pretty much all of the songs are well done, particularly This War

But doesn't it all boil down to personal taste? I had enough of crooners.

Sure, there's nothing wrong with saying that you don't like a band, even if you've only ever heard one of their songs. But, when you say that their lead singer can't sing, that their lead guitarist is a joke and their drummer couldn't pass a high school music class, you should actually know what you are talking about.

ahhh it stands out from the rest of his albums by far for me, because it has 2 of my favorite songs by him (Mad About You and The Wild, Wild Sea), and I like that everything was intended to complement everything else. It was meant to be art, a deeply personal expression, not simply a means for him to make money, and that is the root of why it ended up being so great.
Sacred Love is a pretty good album too, though.. I loveee Dead Man's Rope as a whole, and the lyrics to pretty much all of the songs are well done, particularly This War

Mad About You has always been in my top 5. Did you ever see the Unplugged he did on MTV where he explained the story behind it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1efXnXgf-U

That's a friend of my Dad's playing the drum in the back... The black guy with the dreads.

My favorite rendition of Every Breath You Take was in the same concert... Mostly because Sting and Vinx sound great together.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ5uqPfQq4g

One of the best bands out there with a sucky singer was alice cooper. Do you agree?

No, I would say Bob Dylan and Neil Young are decent examples of poor singers. However, their lack of natural singing talent contributed that much more to their overall sound, and in my opinion made them even better artists. Funny how things work out like....just because someone can't hit a high note like Steve Perry, it doesn't mean they aren't an incredible musician.

No, I would say Bob Dylan and Neil Young are decent examples of poor singers. However, their lack of natural singing talent contributed that much more to their overall sound, and in my opinion made them even better artists. Funny how things work out like....just because someone can't hit a high note like Steve Perry, it doesn't mean they aren't an incredible musician.

That's the amazing thing about shit like American Idol... You think Phil Collins, Dylan, Billy Corgan or anyone else with a less than perfect voice would pass that shit?

Mad About You has always been in my top 5. Did you ever see the Unplugged he did on MTV where he explained the story behind it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1efXnXgf-U

That's a friend of my Dad's playing the drum in the back... The black guy with the dreds.

nope, I never saw that part of it, but I actually guessed that song was about David before I ever heard him explain it.. it's an absolutely brilliant song, because there are two levels to it. If you take it literally, it's the story of David and Bathsheba, which is great in itself, but it's written in a way that the entire thing could be metaphorical, in which case it's a beautiful, painful love song in general

and that's awesome, could he get me Sting's number :P

nope, I never saw that part of it, but I actually guessed that song was about David before I ever heard him explain it.. it's an absolutely brilliant song, because there are two levels to it. If you take it literally, it's the story of David and Bathsheba, which is great in itself, but it's written in a way that the entire thing could be metaphorical, in which case it's a beautiful, painful love song in general

and that's awesome, could he get me Sting's number :P

I know my Dad has his number because he did all of his printing when he was doing concerts at the Wiltern, but I don't think I could get it for you, sorry.

oh well, he's too old for me anyway :(

oh well, he's too old for me anyway :(

Whatever, he's a master at tantra, he'd break you off.

You said that his voice isn't powerful, that it isn't masculine and that it's marginal which is all pretty baseless.

true music is timeless, it doesn't simply appeal to one generation or age group, and it's not a fad...timeless music evokes strong emotions from a very diverse group of seasoned listeners, when I hear great classical music from the legends, I get the same chill my dad does, when I hear great acoustic guitar work, we both recognize it...when I hear or 50 Cent or ANYONE I know hears it, they recognize it as non-music and worthless...period

Which is absolutely hilarious, since you love bands like Testament and The Scorpions, which are representative of one of the biggest fads in music! Do you have the word "hypocrite" tattooed on your forehead, or are you actually dumb enough to stumble over yourself so badly in these arguments? The entire metal genre looks upon that time in the 80's and thanks God that Metallica, Megadeth, and Anthrax came out of it because everything else was shit. No one here is arguing for 50 Cent, I hate the man. However, to say that hip-hop is non-music and worthless is just plain ignorance, which is about as much as one can expect from you.



but most people today are never exposed to true, quality music, so what is distorted and vile becomes "music" to them, they are conditioned to enjoy it, their sense of musical quality is warped, and I think that's a shame...music has a very powerful effect on the soul

when someone like "rocket" says I need to be "schooled" on real music I laugh out loud


You should write children's books, you talk out of your ass so much that you could probably do something productive with the endless streams of nonsense you spew. I absolutely guarantee you that I have a more diverse collection of music than you could ever dream of buddy. I listen to jazz, flamenco, country, rock, hard rock, metal, techno, hip-hop, classical, opera, you have no fucking idea. Like just about every other topic, you sit there and feign knowledge like you're an expert, when in fact you're nothing but a bitter, washed up old man who is so stuck in his own bullshit that he can't possibly admit that maybe, just maybe someone else knows more than he does.

didn't you already admit Reznor has no range? c'mon man, the guy screams and yells 90% of the time (or whispers)

hardly "ignorant", 100% accurate

Do you realize how fucking boring music would be if everyone fit your standards of "talent"? It would be terrible.

According to your posts, someone is worthless if they don't have the vocal range of Steve Perry, if they don't have enough melody or harmony in their music, or if they use computers to make music. Unless they are Sting, cause you like him.

That's the amazing thing about shit like American Idol... You think Phil Collins, Dylan, Billy Corgan or anyone else with a less than perfect voice would pass that shit?

Billy Corgan's voice is the shit, and Phil Collins is the shit all around, so shh :P


Sting claims he can have sex for, what, 12 hours? lol...or something like that he used to boast about...he used to be extremely arrogant (maybe he still is)


he's a prick, and somehow I doubt that he'd really take 12 hrs away from working to do that

or is shit? the guy sounds like a pig getting poked with a needle

nah, I don't think he's a particularly skilled singer, and the voice certainly requires getting used to, but it suits their style well

Have you heard his solo album?

Have you heard his solo album?

I heard a couple of the songs around when it first came out, but I don't really remember them, why?

Bah, this is rock in it's purest form:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb2qQ-yuq6c

Hard guitar playing, true high energy, and Bon Scott blowing his vocal chords to pieces.

I heard a couple of the songs around when it first came out, but I don't really remember them, why?

didn't seem to work IMO

The Tea Party: Winter Solstice
http://rapidshare.com/files/46426129...r_Solstice.wma

I always liked this guys voice, too bad they only released one album. The whole album is great however:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlQpaUVA7ZU

these guys were a flash-in-the-pan, but this guy sounds like an angel on the opening
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1pb1IZcaiQ

I even thought George Michael did nice work on "Praying for Time"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmi02dHzT1I

my compilation CDs are extremely diverse

lol those are two of my favorite voices

didn't seem to work IMO

yea, obviously wasn't memorable, but neither was their latest album

AFI - Black Sails in the Sunset

I love Slayer. Born out of hatred of the guys dressing like chicks and claiming to be "metal" in the 80's. Just like Pantera. Thrash was the saviour of metal.

Especially considering his age, he is getting old

ark, Slayer seems like your kind of music...no? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBW_b-WJ2us

I detest Slayer. Listening to them is painful.

On an unrelated note, I like Skinny Puppy.

if you're going to listen to dark, brooding, angst ridden lyrics, why not a full speed? ;)

Slayer would rip NIN and Tool a new one in my book

How so? All three are different genres, so how would Slayer "rip them a new one"? State your case.

And before you mention Dave Lombardo, check out Dany Carey.

NIN - Industrial

Tool - Grunge

ok, well, you aren't going to like this, but I throw Slayer, Tool, NIN, and a host of other similar bands in the same garbage pile, in terms of "music", because it's really more like anti-music...ther'e nothing edifying or uplifting about any of it...it's noise with a beat, intended to express aggression, even hatred...so, if that's your deal (and I use aggression to get through grueling workouts at the gym), nobody does it better than Slayer (even though I rarely listen to Slayer anymore)

that's my "big picture" view of it...I know you would strongly disagree, but you're 20 years old and a passionate fan of NIN and Tool...my definition of true music gets more refined/selective as I age I suppose

btw, I would wager that if you were to ask God's opinion on this, He would certainly put Slayer, NIN, Tool, etc etc in the garbage pile...along with AC/DC

Here's the thing, Trent Reznor invented sound, so you owe him a lot. You wouldn't even be able to say "NIN sucks" were it not for him. So show some respect... son.

In all seriousness though, you can't really compare Slayer with NIN or Tool because they are all really different kinds of musicians. Sure, you can lump them all in the same category, and call it "shit yzf doesn't like" but anyone can do that.

Now you bring up "true music" which is just a wishy washy way of saying "music that I like." Once again, you're attempting to create the allusion of objectivity using means that are purely subjective. You're twice my age, good for you. Virtually every song ever produced is at my fingertips, readily available for me to listen to and yet somehow you feel that you are at a greater advantage to decide what is "true music." Interesting...

lol

Reznor "invented sound"? do you have posters of this guy in your room?

Not a single one. I own one NIN t-shirt however.

That statement is simply not true, and there is not a single "scholar" of music that would agree with it. Aside from a few classical snobs who think anything but Bach is garbage, any educated person who has dedicated their life to music knows that hip-hop is the new punk. When punk came out, they knew that punk was the new rock. When rock came out, they knew it was the new blues.

All of these styles of music represent a generational gap, where the young people were listening to it, and the old people were denying it's validity as music. Hip-Hop now is what punk and metal were back in the 70's and 80's. It pisses off parents, and draws in kids.

The art of mixing music is just as valid as any other form of instrumentation. Just as the art of creating a digital song with a synthesizer was as valid as writing a song on the guitar. It is the progression of music my friend.

Since when does a song have to have harmonious singing in it to be considered "true music"? Would you say that Bob Dylan didn't write true music? He sure did a lot of talking, rambling, and rhyming in his songs.

Hip-hop and the new generation of metal embody everything that is true music. The cycle is playing itself out right now, right in front of our eyes. Some day I will probably be exposed to a popular new style of music and claim that is crap. Hopefully I will realize what is happening however, and not be ignorant towards it.

That is because after music is rejected, it gets swept into the norm. If you put on an old Coltrane album, both my father and I would recognize it as great music. My grandfather however would think that it is crap. If I put on a Metallica song I would like it and my father likely would as well, but he is fairly young. Put on a hip-hop album, and I will like it, someone younger than me will like it, but my father will hate it.

Similarly, if a mellow acoustic artist or classical artist puts out an album, I and the generations before me will like it because it is a style of music that has been done before. It has established itself as valid in the musical world, and therefore holds as timeless. When metal was introduced and you were younger, people were talking about what crap it was, and how it's not real music. However, to you and those younger than you metal is a completely valid form of music.

It's all one big cycle. Introduction, rejection, partial adoption, full adoption.

but is there such a thing as music that transcends all generational divides and is truly timeless? is there music from 1,000 years ago anyone here would find appealing? will there be anything people living 1,000 years in the future would find appealing about today's stuff? is there a universal standard a council of 10,000 people from every generation that has ever lived could agree upon? finally, what would God say? how would angels in heaven assess music?

I suppose I'm too concerned about ultimate answers, but I believe music is the universal language...and what comes out of the speakers of far too many homes, cars, whatever in 2008 can only be described as "toxic"


That my friend is impossible. I don't think there will ever be any type of music or a song that everybody will agree with. Its almost saying that there will be two people excatly the same (ecluding identical twins but they have their differences)

I'm gonna say my fav album is Hate crew deathroll by CoB. No where near legendary I know but I love it. :)

I suppose I'm too concerned about ultimate answers, but I believe music is the universal language...and what comes out of the speakers of far too many homes, cars, whatever in 2008 can only be described as "toxic"

Could you define toxic si vous plais? I may be presumptious in saying, but it seems like anything that doesn't convey an "uplifting message exhaulting the Lord" or you don't personally like would be considered toxic, correct? I guess I'm wondering where you draw the line with your "logic". The Lord frowns on Richard Marx, Warrant, Eminem, KD Lange, Metallica, and Garth Brooks all the same...

Could you define toxic si vous plais? I may be presumptious in saying, but it seems like anything that doesn't convey an "uplifting message exhaulting the Lord" or you don't personally like would be considered toxic, correct? I guess I'm wondering where you draw the line with your "logic". The Lord frowns on Richard Marx, Warrant, Eminem, KD Lange, Metallica, and Garth Brooks all the same...

lol

all eyez on me - tupac

I don't care if you like Pantera or not, if you are a metal fan you should watch this all the way through for old times sake:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTR-tePa0Bg

Amazing drumming, absolutely mind-blowing guitar work, unmatched rhythms, and one of the more powerful vocal deliveries in the business. This is why I love Pantera.

testing this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlQpaUVA7ZU

http://youtube.com/watch?v=EDlC7oG_2W4

Motorhead's Ace of Spades has always held that special place in my little heart.

Lately, I've been tossing in a lot of my older Machine Head and BLS, too.

Alive:
GZA - Liquid Swords
Ghostface - Supreme Clientele
Quasimoto - The Unseen
EPMD - Unfinished Business
Eric B & Rakim - Paid in Full
Reasonable Doubt
Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness
The Clash
Led Zeppelin has some good stuff, too

Deceased:
Jimi Hindrix - Are You Experienced

Semi-Deceased:
The Doors
Sublime
Straight Outta Compton
Wu-Tang - 36 Chambers

Mixtape:
Drought 3

That's all I can think of for now.